13:00:23 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
13:00:23 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan  3 13:00:23 2018 UTC.  The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
13:00:23 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
13:00:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board'
13:00:26 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
13:00:26 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine'
13:00:28 <stickster> #topic Roll call
13:00:30 <stickster> .hello pfrields
13:00:31 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
13:00:37 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch
13:00:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: ryanlerch stickster
13:01:05 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
13:01:06 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
13:01:10 <ryanlerch> evening stickster!
13:01:10 * stickster chugs down more coffee
13:01:18 <stickster> happy new year ryanlerch!
13:01:56 <ryanlerch> happy new year stickster!
13:02:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: I hope you're enjoying your weather. It's -16C here
13:02:12 <cverna> hi o/
13:02:19 <stickster> cverna: Welcome!
13:02:24 <stickster> #chair cverna
13:02:24 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna ryanlerch stickster
13:03:35 <pingou> happy new year all around :)
13:04:15 <stickster> #chair pingou
13:04:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna pingou ryanlerch stickster
13:04:23 <cverna> happy new year ++
13:04:26 <stickster> So... let's plunge right in, shall we?
13:04:37 <stickster> #topic Last $TIMESLICE stats
13:04:47 <stickster> #info Thank you ryanlerch for the statistics round up on the list!
13:05:04 <stickster> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/QARZ2UZ3B4D3O72UZPMQHQAFPERRGTXK/
13:05:37 <stickster> Very happy that we reached our pageview goal for 2017 :-)
13:05:43 <ryanlerch> so glad to smach thegoal!
13:05:51 <ryanlerch> *smash the goal
13:06:39 <stickster> #info The week of Christmas was actually very respectable, over 58.7K pageviews!
13:07:04 <stickster> #info December 2017: 269,260 pageviews, also a solid month!
13:07:31 <ryanlerch> yeah i think the roundup posts helped that a lot!
13:07:39 <stickster> agreed -- that went quite well
13:08:42 <ryanlerch> whoops! just noticed that the thrid one i did i scheduled for jan 01
13:08:45 <ryanlerch> 2019
13:08:48 <ryanlerch> :/
13:08:53 <stickster> LOL
13:09:07 <stickster> ryanlerch: can we push that today?
13:09:14 <stickster> might as well at this point :-)
13:09:36 * ryanlerch should press the button now?
13:09:50 <stickster> ryanlerch: sure!
13:10:08 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'll send some socials for it after we get done
13:10:28 <ryanlerch> done! sorry all!
13:10:49 <stickster> no problem ryanlerch
13:10:54 <stickster> it was a good week regardless
13:12:19 * stickster just sent all the socials (FB, G+, Twitter)
13:12:31 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts
13:13:11 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending
13:13:14 <stickster> #info --- redis ---
13:13:27 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19503&preview=1&_ppp=2dcc181827
13:14:01 <stickster> This article has a LOT more information now about *why/when* to use redis
13:14:29 <stickster> Probably needs to have the enumerated list reduced to plain old paragraphs, and usual cleanup for English grammar/style
13:15:21 <stickster> but very much improved... we could probably get this out for Friday if we want; I could have it edited by then
13:15:55 <stickster> ryanlerch: up for an image for this one?
13:16:02 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure!
13:16:26 <stickster> #info --- commops recap ---
13:16:27 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19709&preview=1&_ppp=8d618fed91
13:16:49 <cverna> that's will be a nice article :)
13:17:03 <cverna> the redis one
13:17:16 <stickster> so this article... I think I don't understand why we'd publish it on the Magazine. However, I think we as the Magazine should definitely be *contributing* to the review on commblog
13:17:43 <stickster> and once that review is done, we could probably cover *that* with a clickbait article pointing to it
13:17:55 <stickster> jwf: care to address the above?
13:17:55 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah i agree with you on this one
13:18:42 <stickster> it's just that this article itself is really aimed *solely* at community members, and typically we don't publish that because it turns away a lot of our audience
13:19:16 <stickster> oh, I forgot from above...
13:19:32 <stickster> #action stickster edit the redis article
13:19:40 <stickster> #action ryanlerch provide an image for redis article
13:20:02 <stickster> #action stickster contact jwf/commops and suggest strategy for comm-ops year in review that fits magazine audience
13:21:07 <stickster> #topic Drafts for review
13:21:12 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
13:21:27 <stickster> #info --- FedoraEDU ---
13:21:41 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19797&preview=1&_ppp=76daad16ee
13:22:07 <stickster> So... this is an unpitched post but it's also entirely the wrong thing for Magazine. We're not a forum for suggestions :-)
13:22:11 <x3mboy> .hello2
13:22:12 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
13:22:15 <stickster> #chair x3mboy
13:22:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna pingou ryanlerch stickster x3mboy
13:22:23 <stickster> o/ x3mboy, welcome and happy new year!
13:22:39 <x3mboy> stickster, hi o/ Thanks and HPNY to you too!
13:23:22 * stickster awaits other opinions to see if he's off the mark
13:23:34 * x3mboy thinks the same
13:23:40 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah +1 on that from me...
13:23:47 <x3mboy> This is a proposal to create a SIG or something similar
13:24:02 <ryanlerch> has this been discussed on devel list i wonder (or some other appropriate list)
13:24:36 <stickster> ryanlerch: there's absolutely nothing in my email about it according to Google
13:24:44 <ryanlerch> if development had started on such a spin, a newsy post might work here, but the way it is worded, i guess not
13:25:06 <stickster> and I'm on devel, spins, etc.
13:25:07 <ryanlerch> -1 on this one for me
13:25:34 <cverna> -1 for me too, it does not really fit within the magazine
13:25:39 <stickster> the only thing I recall seeing is the same person posted a feedback suggestion about it on Magazine some time ago
13:26:24 <x3mboy> I can tell, being in commops that we are always pointing to create educational stuff
13:26:41 <x3mboy> But we need to have something before posting in the Magazine, I think
13:27:11 <stickster> x3mboy: maybe you could help direct this person to how to pull together a SIG toward his idea (including perhaps a spin down the road)
13:27:33 <x3mboy> stickster, yeah, why not?
13:28:00 <ryanlerch> my guess is that this person might just be trying to submit his idea, and not know about our other development channels (like mailing lists)
13:28:11 <ryanlerch> s/his/their/
13:28:21 <stickster> yeah
13:28:51 <stickster> although I don't think *any* of our lists are just dumping grounds for ideas/suggestions. Typically if you want it to happen, you need to be willing to put time/effort into it.
13:29:23 <stickster> And since this suggestion carries with it all sorts of lifecycle/support changes, it's kind of a non-starter without lots of buy-in/effort.
13:29:42 <pingou> devel may be the best place to get traction to try to build a team of interested persons
13:29:51 <stickster> if this went to, say, devel, it would likely be shot down promptly. So I'm not sure it would be a great experience for this person.
13:29:54 <pingou> but that would be the closer place for this
13:30:17 <stickster> pingou: you're 100% right, though
13:30:43 <stickster> I think we're both right, which is the unfortunate reality
13:30:59 <stickster> "feel free to take this to devel, and watch it get shot down in flames"
13:31:34 <pingou> honestly, depending on the wording, they may also just get silence :)
13:31:43 <stickster> also very true
13:32:10 <pingou> as usual, all depends on the wording :)
13:32:13 <stickster> #action x3mboy suggest to OP they approach devel or another appropriate venue with idea and try to rally troops around it
13:32:25 <x3mboy> +1
13:32:27 <stickster> #action stickster trash the post
13:33:15 <stickster> #info --- Plymouth boot loader ---
13:33:22 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=19225&action=edit
13:33:39 <ryanlerch> i can get this one ready for rotation next week i think
13:33:46 <stickster> ryanlerch++
13:33:58 <x3mboy> ryanlerch++
13:33:58 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 9 (for the f27 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:34:33 <x3mboy> Also a how to change your plymouth screen without die or kill something while trying will be a good idea
13:35:08 <ryanlerch> x3mboy: oh is it that fiddly is it?
13:35:19 * ryanlerch is scared now
13:35:47 <x3mboy> Well, it's not hard, but people relly doesn't know the "plymouth-set-default-theme" command
13:36:45 <ryanlerch> okies -- yeah still think ill be able to get it ready for next week
13:37:14 <stickster> Yeah, I suspect a lot of people start tinkering directly in existing /usr files and such... which is usually ugh
13:37:36 <stickster> #action ryanlerch prep this for next... Wednesday?
13:37:42 <stickster> #undo
13:37:42 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 13:37:36 : ryanlerch prep this for next... Wednesday?
13:37:50 <stickster> ryanlerch: what do you think about timing? Up to you
13:37:54 <ryanlerch> stickster: Wednesday sounds do-able!
13:38:12 <stickster> #action ryanlerch prep plymouth article for next Wednesday Jan 10
13:38:29 * stickster wants to get to some stuff we can enlist help from our FR pals :-)
13:40:11 <stickster> #info --- openbox ---
13:40:11 * cverna looks away
13:40:26 <stickster> #action stickster finish crazy editing that has to happen again on this article, prep for next Monday
13:40:34 <stickster> #undo
13:40:34 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 13:40:26 : stickster finish crazy editing that has to happen again on this article, prep for next Monday
13:40:38 <stickster> #action stickster finish crazy editing that has to happen again on openbox article, prep for next Monday
13:41:14 <stickster> #topic Pitches for review
13:41:19 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
13:41:44 <stickster> #info --- Thonny ---
13:41:49 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19717&preview=true
13:42:05 <stickster> Let's hear some feedback on this pitch
13:43:20 <ryanlerch> never used / heard of thonny before -- but on paper this seems like a neat idea for a post
13:43:33 <cverna> +1 on my side :)  python, IDE sounds good
13:43:40 <ryanlerch> cverna: pingou: any thoughts on this?
13:43:49 <ryanlerch> whoops sorry cverna i type slow
13:43:54 <stickster> I like it too. I would probably cut out the last two sections (small features, general project info) in the interest of tighter focus
13:44:47 <ryanlerch> side note: this is quite a good pitch :)
13:45:42 <stickster> agreed 100%!
13:45:48 <x3mboy> I'm not sure about Thonny
13:45:50 <ryanlerch> +1 on this from me
13:45:54 <stickster> x3mboy: how so?
13:46:04 <pingou> (404 on the link here)
13:46:12 <x3mboy> Because I remember license issues with this IDE
13:46:15 <stickster> pingou: ah, you may have to be logged in on Magazine for that link
13:46:28 <x3mboy> And AFAIR that's why it's not in main repos
13:46:30 * pingou tries
13:47:43 <ryanlerch> x3mboy: it seems to be in fedora 26 and 27
13:47:46 <ryanlerch> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/packages/thonny
13:47:55 <pingou> hm, even logged in, I'm getting a 404
13:47:56 <x3mboy> Ok, then it's +1 from me
13:48:02 <stickster> Yeah, looks resolved AFAICT -- there is a mix of licenses for bundled stuff but all free software AFAICT
13:48:06 <ryanlerch> it appears the pitch submitter is the package maintainer too
13:48:21 * pingou looks for it in the list
13:48:54 <stickster> hrm, that's weird pingou
13:49:10 <pingou> ok got it from the list, clicked on preview, got a 404
13:49:21 <stickster> #agreed Thonny pitch approved
13:49:30 <stickster> #action stickster email list with approval and notes
13:49:54 * stickster will turn on public preview from now on
13:50:02 <stickster> #info --- ps ---
13:50:04 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19784&preview=1&_ppp=9bee247a9f
13:51:12 <pingou> ps ++ but pitch is short :)
13:51:47 <stickster> This seems like a perfectly reasonable CLI article to me, but I'd like more of an idea what's covered since the author only succesfully wrote one article before (and it needed a lot of editorial work)
13:52:32 <ryanlerch> stickster: agreed -- maybe we ask the author to expand the pitch a bit more?
13:52:46 <stickster> #agreed hold off on ps pitch approval for more detail
13:52:53 <stickster> #action stickster email list to request more detail in ps pitch from Ashutosh
13:52:54 <cverna> +1 ryanlerch would be nice to have a bit more info
13:53:14 <stickster> #info --- F28 wallpaper submissions ---
13:53:25 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19792&preview=1&_ppp=fa8ef6684b
13:53:30 <stickster> insta-approve from me :-)
13:53:46 <stickster> I mean +1, not that it's auto-approved :-)
13:53:48 <x3mboy> +1
13:54:15 <ryanlerch> although, maybe we could lose some of the rules here, and put them on a wikipage or something maybe
13:54:31 <ryanlerch> +1 from me though
13:54:42 <cverna> +1
13:54:46 <pingou> +1 for me
13:54:47 <stickster> ryanlerch: Agreed -- I think those should be referenced
13:54:57 <pingou> we may want it out soonish since it's already open
13:55:11 <pingou> most of them are already in nuancier itself iirc
13:55:22 <pingou> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/nuancier/contribute/
13:55:24 <stickster> ryanlerch: This is practically a draft ready to go, do you want to pull the submission rules into a wiki page and we could publish it Friday?
13:55:45 <pingou> 
13:55:47 <pingou> Note that we can not accept NC (no commercial use) or ND (no derrivatives) submissions!
13:55:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: scratch that, what pingou said
13:55:51 <pingou> seems to be the only change
13:56:01 <pingou> (ie: that isn't listed on nuancier)
13:56:40 <pingou> the entire Other requirements section seems missing in nuancier
13:56:56 <pingou> maybe we could ask to adjust nuancier and get it there?
13:57:09 <ryanlerch> pingou: +1 from me on that
13:57:24 <ryanlerch> pingou: who develops nuancier?
13:57:29 <ryanlerch> ;)
13:57:40 <pingou> some french dude, forgot his name :-p
13:57:53 <pingou> maybe cverna could ping him :-°
13:57:57 <stickster> let's pretend he isn't here and talk about him in third person ;-)
13:58:02 <ryanlerch> i can get this out and reay for friday for sure
13:58:16 <cverna> pingou: ping
13:58:16 <zodbot> cverna: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings
13:58:30 <ryanlerch> grrr shush zodbot
13:58:33 <stickster> #action ryanlerch work with pingou to update nuancier with submission rules, then shorten article and ready for publishing on Friday Jan 5
13:58:46 <cverna> zodbot: sorry about that
13:58:53 <stickster> #agreed pitch approved for nuancier article obviously :-)
13:59:08 <stickster> Oops, we are coming to time
13:59:20 <stickster> #info --- V-rep ---
13:59:26 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=19794&preview=1&_ppp=0a0d972f51
14:00:07 <stickster> #idea let's discuss this on list -- needs some real review
14:00:21 <stickster> Now I need to close meeting though. Thanks for coming everyone!
14:00:27 <stickster> #endmeeting