20:00:12 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 20:00:12 Meeting started Wed Jun 13 20:00:12 2018 UTC. 20:00:12 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 20:00:12 The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:12 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:12 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 20:00:15 #meetingname magazine 20:00:15 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 20:00:18 #topic Roll call 20:00:20 .hello pfrields 20:00:20 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 20:00:36 #chair ryanlerch x3mboy sub_pop cverna ryanlerch[m] sub_pop[m] 20:00:36 Current chairs: cverna ryanlerch ryanlerch[m] stickster sub_pop sub_pop[m] x3mboy 20:00:48 .hello linkdupont 20:00:49 sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' 20:00:51 .hello ryanlerch 20:00:52 ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' 20:02:07 o/ folks! 20:02:13 hey hey! 20:02:35 I'm going to have to run away at the end of this meeting, strangely early gig in town tonight 20:03:21 So.... let's go for it! 20:03:23 #topic Last week's stats 20:03:55 #info Week of June 4: ~61.2K pageviews, slightly down from ~68.7K week before but not shabby 20:04:42 Right now we're on pace for *maybe* a 250K month, so any added goodies are welcome, we can explore that at the end of the meeting if that's OK with everyone 20:05:24 sounds good to me! 20:05:41 #info cprofitt++ for HDYF article, ksinny++ cverna++ for RasPi, sumantro++ for Test Days article! 20:05:41 stickster: Karma for sumantro changed to 1 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:05:59 cprofitt++ 20:06:13 sumantro++ 20:06:13 ryanlerch: Karma for sumantro changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:06:18 cverna++ 20:06:30 #topic Pitches to review 20:06:42 the Raspi one is going good atm it seems too 20:06:51 For sure 20:06:54 #info --- Fedora Classroom QA 101/102 --- 20:07:02 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21678&preview=1&_ppp=07b9fd6728 20:08:22 This looks like a no brainer, we haven't had a Classroom post in a while. This is from Alberto Sanchez (bt0dotninja) 20:08:37 +1 from me 20:08:38 yeah +1 from me! 20:08:54 looks pretty solid 20:09:29 bt0: Are you around? 20:09:35 .fasinfo bt0dotninja 20:09:36 stickster: User: bt0dotninja, Name: Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, email: hotgalan@gmail.com, Creation: 2016-07-25, IRC Nick: bt0, Timezone: America/Mexico_City, Locale: en, GPG key ID: E74B5808, Status: active 20:09:39 stickster: Approved Groups: ambassadors dotnet-team marketing fi-apprentice commops fedora-mx cla_done cla_fpca 20:10:43 It looks like sumantro may be the instructor for this Classroom? 20:11:03 It happens next week so we should probably get this out sooner rather than later 20:11:24 yeah, a candiadte for tomottow maybe? 20:11:29 * stickster notes the QA 101/102 syllabus might already appear in an existing article in the past 20:11:51 Yes! https://fedoramagazine.org/?s=classroom 20:12:37 sub_pop: Are you up to a 10-minute edit job? If so, you could copypasta the "what will be covered" from those articles into this one, and fill in info from the wiki page at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom to complete it 20:12:57 When does it need to publi? 20:13:02 publish*? 20:13:20 We already have an image. Agreed with ryanlerch this could go out tomorrow, or Friday at latest (classroom is on the 19th, so that's next Tuesday) 20:13:30 And I don't have editor permissions. 20:13:35 I can fix that! 20:13:42 *bang* *crash* *hammer hammer* 20:13:49 But I could probably do a quick edit tonight, yea. 20:14:16 done 20:14:17 It's basically a make-this-one-look-like-the-rest job? 20:14:21 sub_pop: precisely 20:14:22 shouldnt we vote on sub_pop getting permissions 20:14:27 :D 20:14:33 ryanlerch: Yes, you should definitely vote! :-D 20:14:39 haha 20:14:42 +1/2 20:14:50 Hang on while I get all the other prospective editors to stop blocking the polls 20:14:54 i mean +10 20:14:56 lol 20:15:09 You mean ±? 20:15:16 sorry, i'm still mid-coffee 20:15:26 lol. I'm +1, obviously 20:15:38 OK, done 20:15:45 #agreed sub_pop makes a great editor 20:15:56 #action sub_pop immediately inherits a 10-minute task, that's what you get 20:16:26 d-^_^-b 20:16:27 #agreed minor fixes and this Classroom article is ready to publish 20:16:32 ha, I love that emoticon 20:17:02 #info --- Pipenv --- 20:17:09 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21647&preview=1&_ppp=b6070b76bb 20:17:19 This one also looks like a great choice, esp. since it covers some Python stuff 20:17:31 .fasinfo mcyprian 20:17:33 stickster: User: mcyprian, Name: Michal Cyprian, email: mcyprian@redhat.com, Creation: 2015-07-02, IRC Nick: mcyprian, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 20:17:35 stickster: Approved Groups: ambassadors python-packagers-sig python-sig fedorabugs packager cla_done cla_fpca 20:18:07 I'd like to see it cover, at least briefly, the format of Pipfiles. 20:18:09 Could use a bit more text / context 20:18:10 oh python stuff++ 20:18:14 sub_pop++ 20:18:15 And how to use it. 20:18:32 Maybe that screenshot needs to turn into some blocks instead. 20:18:54 * stickster assumes this is unfinished still, and we should reach out to the author 20:18:56 But definitely +1 on this. pipenv is a nice tool. 20:19:16 sub_pop: good point -- although the colors are a nice touch here. needs a smaller terminal screenshot so you can read it more easily. 20:19:23 ^at least. 20:19:40 cverna is our python guru... 20:19:40 Yea, though pipenv is a rather chatty little program. 20:19:58 But it's hip enough to use emoji in its output, so that's cool. 20:19:58 that dark blue on dark, yikes. Yeah, I think I'm with you sub_pop -- 
 that sucker.
20:20:01 * ryanlerch nominates cverna for edits =Þ
20:20:24  Maybe wait until the author confirms it's complete?
20:20:52  yeah, this is in as a draft but we could use more here
20:21:11  but +1 to this post from me anyways
20:21:33  +1 from me
20:21:36  Oh oops. I thought it was still a pitch.
20:21:51  it's in draft but I think that may be just an unintentional bypass of process
20:22:05  anyway, it sounds like we're all on board with having it, right? sub_pop?
20:22:17  yep
20:22:17  oh I missed +1 above -- all good
20:22:36  #agreed Editors approve pipenv, article needs some more drafting though
20:22:53  #action stickster email author + list to request some more material and let them know we'll publish quickly after edit
20:23:10  #action stickster ping cverna to see if he'll try on editor role for this
20:24:06  #info --- Using LVM to make upgrades safer ---
20:24:12  #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21621&preview=1&_ppp=f8e7282bd5
20:24:35  😯 This looks like an AMAZING topic
20:24:45  Agreed.
20:24:55  yeah +1
20:25:05  .fasinfo sdgathman
20:25:06  stickster: User: sdgathman, Name: Stuart D Gathman, email: stuart@gathman.org, Creation: 2008-08-12, IRC Nick: sdgathman, Timezone: UTC, Locale: en, GPG key ID: 063FA7E4, Status: active
20:25:09  stickster: Approved Groups: fedorabugs packager cla_fedora cla_done cla_fpca
20:25:15  +1 from me
20:25:20  but we might need someone who knows this stuff to do a texhnixal review too
20:25:48  Do we have a primer on LVM in general?
20:25:59  to make sure the instructions are correct!
20:26:05  I'm fairly comfortable with LVM and could take this one on
20:26:22  I have to look up the commands every time I need to do something.
20:27:28  stickster++
20:27:31  Some of this gets deep but it's quite interesting what he's doing here
20:27:39  Hmm. This does get very complex.
20:27:55  We have no "intro to LVM" articles
20:28:12  He branches into a few different paths, which is neat, but adds complexity.
20:29:03  Wow, it's almost like ostree snapshots with LVM.
20:29:11  It's not as long a process as it looks
20:29:24  I feel like I can be comfortably +1 on this
20:29:33  But it would be nice to be able to fall back on "intro to LVM" stuff
20:29:40  we don't have any at docs.fp.o unfortunately :-(
20:30:40  +1 from me too. I like technical articles like this.
20:30:50  Anyone ± on this?
20:30:56  *jinx. Cool, thanks sub_pop
20:31:03  haha I started a trend!
20:31:07  lol
20:31:13  :Þ
20:31:23  +1 from me
20:31:25  Oh wait ryanlerch gave a +1 back at the top. OK then
20:31:43  #agreed Pitch/draft on LVM safe upgrades approved
20:31:51  #action stickster edit the LVM safe upgrade article
20:32:16  #idea We should do an intro to LVM. Might take two articles.
20:32:53  Yes. And then dump that article into ASCIIDoc for docs.fp.o
20:33:10  #idea could also follow on LVM intro with how you can do a straight copy of a whole-system if you get a new hard disk
20:34:35  #info --- What's new in F28 Anaconda ---
20:35:04  #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21630&preview=1&_ppp=7126375373
20:36:10  There's a lot here and it might need slight trimming, but WOW, good stuff
20:36:19  mkolman++
20:36:19  stickster: Karma for m4rtink changed to 2 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:36:19  Yea definitely
20:36:25  +1 from me
20:36:58  +1
20:37:00  +1
20:37:15  the whats next might be good in a follow up article a few weeks ater
20:38:48  Yea, that's almost a whole follow-up article
20:39:07  Also, it's not really what's new in F28. It's what's coming in F29+
20:40:26  sub_pop: ryanlerch: Good points.
20:40:51  #action stickster talk to mkolman to let him know we may disconnect these two articles, and hold the next one for a week or two
20:41:13  other than that, great stuff!
20:41:23  #agreed notwithstanding above, editors approve the F28 Anaconda article
20:41:24  i can help edit this one!
20:41:30  #action ryanlerch edit Anaconda article
20:41:36  brilliant, thanks ryanlerch!
20:42:12  I have one more idea to pitch right here... a refresh of the "how to type emoji on your Workstation via iBus" article
20:42:37  I think the dialogs have changed somewhat. I had to track this down at some point after F28 upgrade
20:42:39  Oh yea, there's new bits and bobs in F28/GNOME 3.28 isn't there?
20:42:59  #info --- refresh Emoji via ibus article ---
20:43:20  sub_pop: yeah, exactly. It's not really any harder to install, just different than our old F25/26 article
20:43:58  🎉 🎆 🍸
20:44:35  I think I could write it, but does it sound OK?
20:44:57  Yep. I like that idea.
20:44:59  +1
20:45:07  +1
20:45:21  #agreed editors apprve pitch of refreshed emoji via ibus article
20:45:32  #action stickster draft it up, publication TBA
20:45:38  #undo
20:45:38  Removing item from minutes: ACTION by stickster at 20:45:32 : stickster draft it up, publication TBA
20:45:48  #action stickster draft article on emoji via ibus on F28+, publication TBA
20:45:57  need to be able to read my own minutes later :-D
20:46:17  OK, that actually does it for today. Nothing else to cover AFAICT. Should we decide publishing schedule?
20:48:13  stickster: sounds good!
20:48:40  #proposed #agreed Fri 2018-06-15: Classroom (sub_pop) -- Mon 2018-06-18: Anaconda F28 (ryanlerch) -- Wed 2018-06-20: LVM safe upgrades (stickster) -- Fri 2018-06-22: possibly Pipenv? or emoji/ibus if stickster finishes
20:49:06  +1
20:49:08  I feel like we could go Thu with Classroom, but then that leaves us bare for a day
20:49:26  ryanlerch: sub_pop: I'll be totally AFK Sunday/Monday on travel so I can't push anything then
20:49:37  +1
20:49:44  thus my clever move to make myself not accountable until Wed :-D
20:50:11  haha ok.
20:50:15  :Þ
20:50:17  #agreed Fri 2018-06-15: Classroom (sub_pop) -- Mon 2018-06-18: Anaconda F28 (ryanlerch) -- Wed 2018-06-20: LVM safe upgrades (stickster) -- Fri 2018-06-22: possibly Pipenv? or emoji/ibus if stickster finishes
20:50:30  #topic Open floor (all other biznatch)
20:50:55  Oh my goodness. I didn't realize that was bad slang.
20:50:59  #undo
20:50:59  Removing item from minutes: 
20:51:04  #topic Open floor (all other biz)
20:51:08  lolz
20:51:15  I'm brewing an article on using ansible to configure/tweak a desktop after installation. stuff like setting shell, setting dconf keys, installing packages.
20:51:37  <-- pro tip: check urban dictionary first, dummy
20:51:45  haha
20:51:53  sub_pop: LOVE IT
20:52:05  pitch +1 from me!
20:52:09  sounds awesome!
20:52:21  Scratches a personal itch too. The best kind of articles
20:52:59  sub_pop: consider it +1 already
20:53:05  GO 4 IT!
20:53:20  I would love to read that myself and add it to my ansible-personal repo
20:53:27  which is way, way in need of fixes
20:53:42  Cool. It'll come together as I fiddle with converting my post_install.sh into a playbook
20:54:34  Also, is Fleet Commander something we can get an article about? That thing looks really cool, but documentation about it seems sparse.
20:55:33  was there a draft or a postto the list about that?
20:55:34  And I don't have the time to first set up a FreeIPA server to then mess around with Fleet Commander.
20:56:11  Oh maybe.
20:56:20  We could use some articles on Cockpit too.
20:56:25  Cockpit is amazing
20:56:40  sub_pop: I reached out to someone about that and I have a feeling they responded on list at some point.
20:56:44  *fleet commander
20:56:57  It was a very, very long article which looked like it came from somewhere else.
20:57:03  Ah ok.
20:57:07  Not sure where we left it, but I'll chedk.
20:57:42  *check even. Also, super 💯  on the Cockpit topic
20:57:43  ok
20:58:00  OK guys, I have to vamoose
20:58:03  So many ideas.. so little time. :(
20:58:09  Anything else we need to cover?
20:58:22  Nope. Enjoy the gig!
20:58:35  Thanks for being here sub_pop ryanlerch !
20:58:37  #endmeeting