20:01:01 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
20:01:01 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jul 11 20:01:01 2018 UTC.
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20:01:04 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:01:06 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:01:08 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:01:09 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:01:12 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:01:12 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:01:18 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch sub_pop cverna
20:01:18 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
20:01:27 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:01:27 <cverna> hi o/
20:01:27 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:01:37 <ryanlerch> morning!
20:01:54 <sub_pop> good morning :)
20:02:28 <stickster> Hi all!
20:02:31 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
20:03:31 <stickster> ha, floundering but I'm on it now :-D
20:03:55 <stickster> #info Week of July 2: > 63.8K pageviews, slightly *up* from previous week!
20:04:03 <ryanlerch> \o/
20:04:05 <stickster> not bad for a USA holiday week
20:04:35 <stickster> So far, > 95.3K pageviews for the month, which isn't bad
20:04:48 <stickster> Thanks to everyone who kept the train rolling over the last week!
20:05:14 <stickster> ryanlerch: I hope you could deal with my bad image for this morning's post. But I couldn't resist that dog
20:05:28 <ryanlerch> ~ half way through the year, and 1.87M views
20:05:40 <stickster> ryanlerch: that's... pretty good?!?
20:06:11 <ryanlerch> yeah, if we just do the same pace, easy over 3.5, 3.6 for the year...
20:06:30 <cverna> nice
20:06:50 <stickster> ryanlerch: I totally failed to do socials for the article this morning, got busy right when I sat down until now :-(
20:06:51 <sub_pop> That dog is great
20:06:54 <stickster> ryanlerch: I'll do that shortly
20:07:02 <stickster> with lots of hashtags ;-)
20:07:05 <cverna> the stretch goal was 4M
20:07:09 <ryanlerch> lol, yeah the dog was +100
20:07:12 <ryanlerch> dog++
20:07:30 <cverna> yeah :D dog++
20:08:10 <stickster> #topic Posts to review
20:08:52 <stickster> Unfortunately, there's only one new thing to review here: https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21837&preview=1&_ppp=24d125fd46
20:09:32 <cverna> I am not sure this is content for the magazine
20:09:41 <sub_pop> Could that be spun into a HDYF?
20:09:48 * stickster sadly has to be -1 on this... has nothing to do with Fedora, it's about being an intern at Red Hat. And while I totally 💙 Red Hat, thatt's not what we publish
20:10:15 <cverna> yeah I agree with that ^^
20:10:29 <ryanlerch> yeah -1 from me
20:10:32 <stickster> sub_pop: yes, that would be a great way to spin this around. I can email the contributor, see if they'll answer the usual questionnaire, and hook them up with cproffitt
20:10:48 <ryanlerch> there is not much acutal content in this really either.
20:10:48 <sub_pop> Right. That's the only way I can see this working.
20:11:08 <stickster> maybe cprofitt would let us spread out some HDYF interviews too
20:11:29 <stickster> #action stickster email cprofitt + intern article contributor to see if we can do a HDYF instead
20:13:07 <stickster> Let's assume that will *not* turn into an article for the next week.
20:13:20 <stickster> #topic Yikes, publishing schedule
20:13:28 <sub_pop> :(
20:14:31 <cverna> I had an idea about a Python diy article : "How to write an IRC bot"
20:14:51 <sub_pop> Oh neat. I like the idea of applied solutions like that.
20:15:06 <stickster> cverna: how complex is that? I have no idea.
20:15:27 <sub_pop> Also, an IRC bot that's not written in coffeescript please!
20:16:12 <cverna> for something that does not do much it should be easy enough for python beginners
20:16:20 <stickster> Should we think about publishing a "We want you to write for us" article?
20:16:39 <stickster> oh wait, we have #idea
20:16:49 <stickster> #idea a "We want you to write for us" article
20:16:53 <ryanlerch> cverna: i'm probably not comfortable writing it due to my python expertise, but another idea might be a blog -> twitter bot / poster script
20:17:06 <ryanlerch> you could build on your RSS reader one...
20:17:33 <cverna> ryanlerch: yeah I like the idea too :)
20:17:49 <stickster> #idea Python blog -> twitter bot / poster script
20:18:00 <stickster> #idea Python DIY IRC bot
20:18:04 <ryanlerch> i use one of these to post the planet posts to the planet twitter
20:18:25 <stickster> ryanlerch: ah yes! we could really use replacing that with a fedmsg powered one
20:18:38 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah :)
20:19:08 <stickster> We still have some good starter pitches in here!
20:19:13 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=starter-pitches&post_type=post
20:20:48 * stickster could do the "manually partition your disk" one
20:20:57 <sub_pop> I like the idea of another "write for us" article. I feel like we need a new injection of authors.
20:21:06 <stickster> agreed
20:21:51 <stickster> the main problems I've observed are: (1) someone doesn't deliver a committed article; and (2) someone writes an unapproved article that we can't use as-is
20:22:29 <stickster> So we should make sure to steer folks away from (2) and hope for the best that they won't do (1)
20:23:01 <stickster> Is someone willing to write that "write for us" article?
20:23:27 <sub_pop> https://fedoramagazine.org/join-magazine-team/
20:23:42 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can do it!
20:23:53 <stickster> OK ryanlerch, tag you're it
20:24:04 <stickster> #action ryanlerch write the "write for us" CTA article
20:25:00 <stickster> ryanlerch: we have several page that tell people the nitty gritty howto already... I guess the point of this article is simply, "Tell us your idea by doing (THIS ONE SIMPLE THING)" and we'll get you to your next step. We just ask that you commit to doing it if we take you up on it
20:25:44 <stickster> Best case, the person gets published, continues to enjoy doing it, disco!  Worst case is, maybe we get a few more good ideas. :-)
20:26:09 <sub_pop> Yea true. I've written articles from other people's pitches
20:26:43 <ryanlerch> stickster: got it, and agree!
20:26:47 <stickster> sub_pop: see anything in the starter pitches that's appealing?
20:28:03 <sub_pop> Hm, maybe the testing packages one.
20:28:18 <sub_pop> I think I was once planning on writing that anyway
20:28:59 <cverna> at one point we were talking to do something like the COPR article but the official packages
20:29:20 <cverna> like 5 packages for ...
20:29:27 <sub_pop> ohhhh
20:29:39 <sub_pop> as a packager who gets zero karma on my packages, I would very much appreciate that
20:29:43 <ryanlerch> cverna: those posts have done fantastic in the past
20:29:58 <ryanlerch> esp the "image viewers" one
20:30:16 <stickster> YES! They're always popular. Maybe pick a type of usage or app and then pick 3-5 to include?
20:30:18 <cverna> yeah and they are pretty easy to write too
20:30:42 <sub_pop> I can see it being mostly a template that we drop in a list of packages to test
20:30:52 <cverna> we should do one about text editor :) vim ? emacs ? :)
20:31:01 <sub_pop> micro!
20:31:06 <ryanlerch> cverna: um, what about gedit?
20:31:08 <ryanlerch> ;)
20:31:15 <cverna> :)
20:32:04 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: yeah, also having a "new" packages would be awesome too
20:32:31 <sub_pop> Oh, yea. That would help tremendously too
20:32:42 <ryanlerch> i have tried in the past to track new packages, and write about interesting stuff, but seperating the interesting stuff from all the noise was hard
20:32:52 <ryanlerch> lots of new library stuff
20:33:02 <sub_pop> Yea, I'm worried about finding end-user-relevant stuff.
20:33:57 <sub_pop> And packages only sit in bodhi for 7 days before they can get pushed with zero karma.
20:34:02 <sub_pop> maybe I'll start with critical path stuff?
20:34:23 <stickster> #idea [N] productivity apps -- focuswriter, gtg, go for it!, gtimelog
20:35:17 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:35:36 <ryanlerch> we have some older content to link back to for some of those too
20:35:44 <ryanlerch> focuswriter, iirc
20:35:45 <sub_pop> TaskWarrior :)
20:36:00 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: we have covered that in the past too, IIRC
20:36:08 <sub_pop> Yep. I wrote it. haha
20:36:25 <ryanlerch> lol
20:36:32 <cverna> lol
20:37:27 <ryanlerch> #info past post on productivity aps https://fedoramagazine.org/tracking-your-time-and-tasks-on-fedora/
20:37:31 <cverna> #idea [N] irc client -- hexchat, weechat, polari, etc ...
20:37:43 <stickster> Oh that was indeed a long while ago
20:37:57 <sub_pop> Oh +1 on that, cverna
20:38:07 <stickster> cverna++
20:38:21 <stickster> #action stickster write article on [N] productivity apps
20:38:30 <stickster> I'll take this one, to be ready for Monday
20:38:41 <stickster> ryanlerch: think yours would be good to go for Friday?
20:38:57 <pingou> email clients: mutt alpine emacs?
20:39:04 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, its going to be a shortish one though
20:39:15 <stickster> ryanlerch: that's fair
20:39:37 <cverna> #idea [N] terminal emulator - tilix, terminator, ...
20:40:21 <misc> console pager: more less most emacs
20:40:24 <stickster> cf. https://fedoramagazine.org/try-tilix-new-terminal-emulator-fedora/ and https://fedoramagazine.org/3-ways-trick-terminal-emulator/
20:40:27 <cverna> #idea [N] email client - mutt alpine emacs vim :P
20:40:36 <cverna> pingou ^^
20:40:39 <misc> ssh client: openssh putty emacs
20:41:03 <stickster> I love that emacs shows up in every list here. That says maybe we need better lists ;-)
20:41:34 <stickster> <-- emacs user, so that's not hating
20:41:46 <sub_pop> 😂
20:41:48 <pingou> cverna: for the terminal emulator you forgot emacs
20:41:59 <stickster> I forgot it for productivity too
20:42:04 <ryanlerch> #idea grahics editing - inkscape, GIMP, imagemagick, emacs
20:42:05 <cverna> oops
20:42:07 <stickster> lol
20:42:09 <pingou> indeed stickster
20:42:12 <sub_pop> haha
20:42:18 <cverna> ryanlerch++
20:42:31 <smooge> most of my graphics editing is in emacs
20:42:40 <misc> emacsmagick
20:42:45 <pingou> now I'm seriously wondering if emacs supports some sort of image editing
20:42:51 <sub_pop> #idea N music players - rhythmbox, lollypop, gnome-music, noise, emacs?
20:43:10 <ryanlerch> geeze, do all you all get pinged whenever someone mentions emacs?
20:43:14 <stickster> sub_pop++
20:43:32 <stickster> emacs emacs emacs emacs emacs bacon and emacs
20:43:34 <pingou> https://stackoverflow.com/questions/11640112/how-to-open-and-edit-images-in-emacs
20:43:45 <sub_pop> 🤦‍♂️
20:44:01 <stickster> pingou: that's horrifying
20:44:02 <pingou> https://www.emacswiki.org/emacs/MusicPlayers
20:44:09 <ryanlerch> misc: smooge: pingou: you know the rules, right?
20:44:24 * pingou is out
20:44:26 <ryanlerch> now you are here, we expect magazine articles.
20:44:27 <stickster> lol
20:44:33 <misc> damn
20:44:48 * ryanlerch is not joking...
20:44:51 <stickster> yup, pingou, smooge, misc, you all just implicitly committed to an article by end of month
20:44:57 <sub_pop> \o/
20:45:11 <misc> ok, I take the pager one
20:45:26 <smooge> damn.. lured in by the siren song of emacs
20:45:30 <pingou> ryanlerch: idea: new pagure UI?
20:45:33 <stickster> misc: you're on! actually a very cool idea
20:45:38 <ryanlerch> maybe we just need to make our meetings more entertaining, so we lure more people in lol
20:46:11 <stickster> misc: have you done pg?
20:46:13 <smooge> the music player I had was one a RH coworker made using lpr
20:46:27 <misc> stickster: pg ?
20:46:31 <stickster> misc: another pager
20:46:43 <misc> stickster: nope, but you can make a follow up on it :p
20:46:45 <stickster> #action misc do article on [N] cool terminal pagers
20:47:34 <misc> (but I am not gonna do on emacs, will be vim, cause I do not know emacs)
20:48:18 <stickster> #action smooge do article on [N] cool music players
20:48:59 <stickster> #action pingou do article on [N] cool text-based email apps
20:49:46 <stickster> sub_pop: do you have one you can pull off for next Wed?
20:49:48 <sub_pop> #action sub_pop do article on testing packages in bodhi
20:49:52 <stickster> \o/
20:49:59 <sub_pop> ^ that should be doable
20:50:14 <stickster> #action stickster edit sub_pop bodhi article, ryanlerch do image for sub_pop bodhi article
20:51:11 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:51:24 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Publishing schedule: Fri Jul 13, Write! CTA (ryanlerch) -- Mon Jul 16, Productivity Apps (stickster) -- Wed Jul 18, testing in Bodhi (sub_pop/stickster/ryanlerch) -- Fri Jul 20, TBA
20:51:52 <ryanlerch> stickster: sounds good!
20:52:12 <cverna> I can probably do the twitter bot for Friday
20:52:19 <stickster> yay cverna!
20:52:38 <ryanlerch> cverna: i'll send you my dodgy script...
20:52:41 <ryanlerch> :)
20:52:45 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Publishing schedule: Fri Jul 13, Write! CTA (ryanlerch) -- Mon Jul 16, Productivity Apps (stickster) -- Wed Jul 18, testing in Bodhi (sub_pop/stickster/ryanlerch) -- Fri Jul 20, Python tw-bot (cverna)
20:52:47 <cverna> ryanlerch cool :)
20:53:57 <sub_pop> looks good
20:54:04 <cverna> +1
20:54:44 <stickster> #agreed Publishing schedule: Fri Jul 13, Write! CTA (ryanlerch) -- Mon Jul 16, Productivity Apps (stickster) -- Wed Jul 18, testing in Bodhi (sub_pop/stickster/ryanlerch) -- Fri Jul 20, Python tw-bot (cverna)
20:55:06 <stickster> OK, I've also added a bunch of the #ideas to starter pitches but could use some help since I have another call in 5 min
20:55:17 <stickster> Any other business/
20:55:18 <stickster> ?
20:55:31 <cverna> that was a productive meeting :)
20:56:08 <stickster> Sometimes it's good to have just ideas flowing :-)
20:56:21 <sub_pop> haha and say magic keywords, apparently.
20:56:21 <stickster> thanks for being here, cverna, sub_pop, ryanlerch, misc, smooge, pingou :-)
20:56:45 <stickster> #endmeeting