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20:01:14 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:01:16 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:01:18 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:01:19 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:01:23 <asamalik> .hello2
20:01:24 <cverna> hello o/
20:01:27 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
20:01:34 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:01:36 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:01:41 <stickster> #chair asamalik cverna sub_pop x3mboy_ ryanlerch
20:01:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop x3mboy_
20:01:53 <bcotton> .hello2
20:01:55 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
20:01:57 <stickster> #info I believe ryanlerch is out today on PTO, so I expect to proceed without him
20:02:00 <stickster> #chair bcotton
20:02:00 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop x3mboy_
20:02:02 <stickster> welcome Ben!
20:02:04 <bcotton> (since i'm here already, i might as well hang out)
20:03:05 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
20:03:34 <stickster> #info Week of Aug 13: ~60.4K pageviews, very slightly down from previous week but not a bad week at all
20:04:12 <stickster> Month of August is nearly 194K pageviews so far, which points to a respectable 275K for the month
20:04:36 <cverna> atolstoy: o/
20:05:12 <stickster> #topic Pitches and info to review
20:05:47 <cverna> I have an update on that one
20:06:08 <stickster> go ahead cverna
20:06:26 <cverna> x3mboy_: told me earlier that he is working on the zsh article and he is targeting to finish it by the end of week
20:06:33 <cverna> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21453&preview=true
20:07:18 <atolstoy> .hello atolstoy
20:07:19 <zodbot> atolstoy: atolstoy 'Alexander Tolstoy' <a.a.tolstoy@gmail.com>
20:07:20 <stickster> excellent, that's good to hear
20:07:34 <stickster> Hi atolstoy... I actually just sent a reply to your list email too
20:07:47 <stickster> #info x3mboy_ working on zsh article, trying to finish by end of this week
20:08:56 <stickster> atolstoy: I agreed with mattdm, it would make sense to pull the problematic third section of your article into another article
20:09:07 <atolstoy> Well, maybe
20:09:17 <stickster> it's OK if that shortens the content a little... it sounds like the third part is going to be less accessible to some users.
20:10:08 <atolstoy> I'll try to replace Waifu2x with something lighter this time, because two picks is a bit too little for an article, IMHO
20:10:31 <stickster> replacing waifu2x sounds like an equally good way to go, atolstoy
20:10:37 <atolstoy> stickster: absolutely
20:10:59 <stickster> #info atolstoy will try to find and include an alternative third upscaling tool in his draft to help him finish
20:10:59 <atolstoy> even the OpenCL version is for advanced users)
20:11:28 <stickster> OK, anything else we should say about this article, atolstoy?
20:11:29 <atolstoy> I need 3-4 days to complete
20:11:49 <stickster> OK. We can work with that, although I do hope x3mboy_ gets his article finished :-)
20:11:58 <atolstoy> Thank you
20:12:05 <stickster> #nick atolstoy
20:12:21 <stickster> #action atolstoy finish upscaling article in the next 3-4 days and notify list it's ready
20:12:30 <atolstoy> Can't stay here for too long this time
20:12:39 <atolstoy> Have a nice day!
20:12:44 <stickster> no problem -- thanks for coming by to talk to us atolstoy o/  :-)
20:12:53 <atolstoy> Cheers!
20:13:07 <stickster> #topic Filling out our publishing schedule
20:13:27 <stickster> OK, so we need to come up with things that will help us fill out Friday, Monday, and ideally Wednesday too
20:13:59 <stickster> Is there anyone present who is working on a draft that can provide it by tomorrow for editing?
20:14:18 <sub_pop> 🦗
20:15:29 <stickster> ha
20:15:43 <asamalik> I'm thinking if I could push myself with the "animations in Blender" article I've proposed some time ago
20:15:50 <asamalik> I haven't started, yet, though
20:16:15 <stickster> asamalik: would you be interested in picking up a simple pitch to write? would probably take no more than 45 min to draft based on my experience
20:16:19 <sub_pop> Yea, my two drafts are not complete enough at all :(
20:16:34 <asamalik> stickster: if that's a thing, sure!
20:16:46 <stickster> asamalik: https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=21910&action=edit
20:16:55 <stickster> 3-5 cool music player apps
20:17:51 <stickster> All you need to do is provide some brief description, and maybe a unique point, about each; and a screenshot of it running. You can look at any of the recent app roundup articles for a guide to content -- it's actually *VERY* easy to write
20:18:25 <asamalik> oops, I use Spotify, not sure I know any :/
20:18:46 <stickster> asamalik: You can find them using the Software app
20:18:52 <asamalik> but I guess I could research
20:18:56 <asamalik> yeah
20:19:26 <asamalik> let's do this! :D
20:19:27 <sub_pop> Typically a couple GUI programs and a TUI program. cmus is a sweet little curses-based music player.
20:19:44 <asamalik> sub_pop: thanks for the tip!
20:19:46 <cverna> yes I did one about Thunderbird extensions and I don't use Thunderbird :P
20:19:46 * asamalik is taking notes
20:20:25 <stickster> asamalik: I would recommend these for example: Quod Libet, Gradio, Lollypop, Musique
20:20:52 <stickster> just suggestions, feel free to substitute anything you like that looks interesting
20:20:53 <asamalik> stickster: thanks!
20:21:08 <stickster> asamalik: is that something you think you might be able to whip up by tomorrow end of day?
20:21:08 <asamalik> I could also find some on Flathub and mention they would work on Silverblue?
20:21:16 <stickster> asamalik: of course!
20:22:00 <asamalik> stickster: let's say yes
20:22:12 <stickster> asamalik: if you do, I'll edit and do an image for you :-)
20:22:23 <cverna> asamalik++
20:22:24 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for asamalik changed to 6 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:22:40 <asamalik> stickster: deal!
20:23:07 <stickster> #action asamalik write [N] cool music apps article, stickster edit and provide image
20:23:12 <stickster> asamalik++
20:23:12 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for asamalik changed to 7 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:23:16 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY!!!!
20:23:33 <asamalik> wohooo \o/ 🍪
20:23:44 <cverna> \o/
20:23:45 <stickster> OK, now we need to deal with Monday :-D
20:23:46 <gholms> Heh
20:24:10 <cverna> I think x3mboy article should ok for Monday
20:24:40 <stickster> cverna: I'm going to make a plan for just in case -- I know life can interfere sometimes, and that one has been hanging on for a while
20:24:58 <cverna> stickster: agreed
20:25:10 <stickster> I was actually looking for a cool article idea and found one, but now I don't really want to do it
20:26:22 <sub_pop> What was the idea/
20:26:24 <sub_pop> ?
20:26:48 * asamalik can't wait to hear it
20:26:58 * sub_pop is on the edge of his seat
20:27:02 <stickster> There's an interesting utility that lets you measure loudness of an audio file. Unfortunately it's not easy to get and use since it's still on (ugh) sourceforge
20:27:08 <stickster> there is a github mirror but it's out of date :-(
20:27:13 <x3mboy> o/
20:27:18 <stickster> hi x3mboy
20:27:25 <sub_pop> It's not packaged in the repos already? :(
20:27:35 <x3mboy> Sorry, I can't write until identify myself
20:27:37 <x3mboy> :D
20:27:45 <stickster> lol
20:27:56 <x3mboy> My article will be ready tomorrow night (UTC-3)
20:28:00 <stickster> sub_pop: it's not, too niche I guess
20:28:13 <sub_pop> drat
20:28:18 <stickster> x3mboy:  8-O  cool... I will be happy to edit it over the weekend for you :-)
20:28:40 <cverna> x3mboy++
20:29:22 <x3mboy> Also, I would love to work in the image (I'm beginning with image edition
20:29:54 <stickster> #info x3mboy is going to have his article ready tomorrow (Thu Aug 23) night
20:30:03 <stickster> #action stickster edit x3mboy zsh article
20:30:44 <stickster> x3mboy: there are some tricks to keeping the image repo small -- if you want to try one, just post it somewhere I can get the SVG and I'll review and tune it if possible
20:31:04 <x3mboy> Ok
20:31:05 <x3mboy> :D
20:31:11 <stickster> Have you already seen https://fedoramagazine.org/creating-a-featured-image-for-a-fedora-magazine-article/
20:31:35 <x3mboy> Yes
20:31:40 <x3mboy> I did
20:31:41 <stickster> cool
20:31:47 <stickster> that has good tips in it
20:32:12 <cverna> I just added https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22404&preview=true but I really can't commit on a date
20:32:32 * cverna has a lot of things going on currently
20:33:14 <cverna> I ll try to work on it this week end, but can't guarantee it
20:33:30 <stickster> cverna: understandable
20:33:43 * stickster has an idea for a weekend article to have ready just in case: 4 cool tmux tips
20:34:11 <stickster> cverna: I love this conu container testing idea
20:34:13 <stickster> +1
20:34:48 <cverna> I am working on setting this up with the Fedora CI pipeline :) so we do CI on our containers
20:35:17 <stickster> nice!
20:35:18 * cverna wants to CI all the thinks
20:35:22 <stickster> indeed
20:35:26 <cverna> things*
20:35:50 <stickster> #agreed cverna approved for his conu pitch
20:35:58 <stickster> anybody opposed to the tmux tips idea?
20:36:07 <asamalik> +1 ! :)
20:36:09 <cverna> +1 for the tmux tips
20:36:20 * asamalik is actually learning tmux
20:36:30 <sub_pop> I'm a byobu convert D:
20:37:02 * cverna duckduckgos byobu
20:37:48 <sub_pop> It's a wrapper around tmux and/or screen. Provides a slightly more intuitive UI.
20:37:58 <asamalik> I can only attach, de-attach, and I used to know how to do tabs and switch between them
20:38:13 <sub_pop> [N] cool terminal multiplexers?
20:38:36 <stickster> sub_pop: that's a neat idea, throw it in the starter pitches!
20:38:51 <stickster> what's out there that's modern besides tmux and byobu?
20:39:23 <sub_pop> There's gotta be some horribly bloated Electron one.
20:39:59 <asamalik> I've recently learned about abduco
20:40:12 <asamalik> it's supposed to be lightweight
20:40:42 <sub_pop> Ah, cool there you go
20:40:50 <stickster> Huh, abduco + dvtm
20:41:02 <stickster> yup, now you've got your three :-)
20:41:36 <stickster> also, then we can count on some comments "WHY DIDN'T YOU INCLUDE <XXXX> YOU CLODS?!?"
20:41:47 <sub_pop> Yes!
20:41:54 <asamalik> and have another article :D
20:41:57 <cverna> lol
20:42:17 <stickster> right, sooner or later someone will bite when we say "Why don't you write us an article about it?"
20:42:29 <stickster> evil plans ;-)
20:42:33 <sub_pop> Starter Pitch added.
20:42:34 <x3mboy> As always. You know you're doing something good if people complaint about not including something they use
20:42:43 <stickster> #agreed stickster approved for 4 cool tmux tips article
20:42:55 * cverna has a second article in mind about vscode but prefers to wait for the angry people to calm down
20:43:03 <stickster> #idea [N] cool terminal multiplexers -- starter pitch added
20:43:07 * asamalik loves vscode!
20:43:30 <sub_pop> cverna: Yea, :-(
20:44:10 <cverna> sub_pop: btw https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/developing-applications-using-flatpak-packaged-editors-ides/269
20:45:30 <sub_pop> Ah clever. I think xdg-portal and flatpak-spawn will fix it too, allowing access to host paths.
20:46:03 <sub_pop> Also, since when did discussion.fedoraproject.org exist!
20:46:47 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri Aug 24: cool music apps (asamalik, edit/image: stickster) -- Mon Aug 27: zsh tuning guide (x3mboy, edit: stickster) -- Wed Aug 29: 4 cool tmux tips (stickster)
20:46:53 <cverna> sub_pop: I think since the atomic workstation became silverblue
20:47:04 <cverna> +1
20:47:13 <stickster> https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/welcome-to-fedora-discussion/13
20:47:44 <sub_pop> +1 for schedule
20:47:51 <cverna> I am confident about the conu article for Fri Aug 31
20:48:22 <x3mboy> +1 to the schedule
20:48:35 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri Aug 24: cool music apps (asamalik, edit/image: stickster) -- Mon Aug 27: zsh tuning guide (x3mboy, edit: stickster) -- Wed Aug 29: 4 cool tmux tips (stickster) -- Fri Aug 31: conu (cverna, edit/image: ryanlerch)
20:48:45 <stickster> (ryan said we could assign him something for >= Wednesday) :-)
20:48:47 <cverna> still +1
20:49:17 <asamalik> +1
20:49:35 <stickster> #agreed Fri Aug 24: cool music apps (asamalik, edit/image: stickster) -- Mon Aug 27: zsh tuning guide (x3mboy, edit: stickster) -- Wed Aug 29: 4 cool tmux tips (stickster) -- Fri Aug 31: conu (cverna, edit/image: ryanlerch)
20:49:37 * asamalik guesses he was supposed to +/-1
20:49:41 <stickster> Cool! We have our schedule!
20:49:49 <asamalik> \o/
20:49:50 <stickster> #topic All other business / open floor
20:50:07 <cverna> oh we had an article about IOT on the mailing list too
20:50:48 <cverna> https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/SWSIRZUNILS6VOETRPDIL7RFYDIAPNPA/
20:51:38 <cverna> I am +1 for this
20:51:40 <stickster> cverna: Oh! You're certainly right, we did
20:51:44 * stickster reads
20:52:05 <stickster> I don't see any problem with a relative newbie doing it -- I bet it will help the article stay focused and simple
20:52:08 <stickster> +1
20:52:24 <cverna> yes I agree
20:52:33 <stickster> #agreed LED inside a container in Fedora IoT is approved
20:52:43 <stickster> #action stickster email the author/list to give green-flag
20:52:52 <asamalik> +1
20:53:17 <x3mboy> Hey, the idea to have a bar or an "off-main-site" articles is still crazy?
20:53:55 <asamalik> x3mboy: what do you mean?
20:54:16 <stickster> x3mboy: do you mean a sidebar on the theme that has specific article links? Did you discuss with ryanlerch?
20:54:59 <x3mboy> Nope
20:55:12 <stickster> I recommend starting with a discussion
20:55:25 <x3mboy> asamalik, I mean, We may need to have articles that we can link, but aren't published in the main view of fedoramagazine.org
20:55:29 <stickster> I don't think we as editors should start messing with design without a designer conversation
20:55:55 <x3mboy> stickster, sure, I wasn't asking for the design part, but with the idea itself
20:56:27 <stickster> I don't have any opinion unless I know why we need it
20:56:34 <stickster> (or don't)
20:57:02 <asamalik> x3mboy: like "second class" articles that we would publish, but they wouldn't appear on the homepage?
20:57:08 <x3mboy> Well, we talk about not posting (or at least don't take dates on the schedule for the podcast
20:57:16 <x3mboy> asamalik, exactly
20:57:26 <stickster> IMHO the Magazine is a timed-news site... not meant to be a knowledge base, or a docs resource in and of itself
20:58:50 <stickster> x3mboy: I'm not sure I get your meaning, do you mean like https://fedoramagazine.org/?s=podcast ?
20:58:54 <asamalik> x3mboy: could the podcast have it's own site? it could be a different audience... anyway, I don't wanna rabbit-hole on this here, even though interesting this is probably a topic for somewhere else
21:00:36 <stickster> OK, we can always take this to our channel for more
21:00:37 <x3mboy> stickster, maybe, but e.g. Main listener of the podcast were using the widget player from soundcloud. So having it in its own website probably will lose some listeners
21:00:42 <x3mboy> Ok
21:00:43 <x3mboy> Sure
21:00:45 <x3mboy> Sorry
21:00:55 <stickster> Thank you to everyone for being here! :-)
21:01:09 <stickster> Great meeting and glad we are keeping the balloon aloft :-)
21:01:12 <stickster> #endmeeting