20:00:06 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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20:00:08 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:00:10 <stickster> #topic Roll call
20:00:11 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:00:12 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:00:33 <sub_pop> .hello2
20:00:34 <zodbot> sub_pop: Sorry, but you don't exist
20:00:37 <sub_pop> oops
20:00:41 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:00:42 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:00:47 <cverna> hello o/
20:00:49 <sub_pop> 😭
20:00:55 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch sub_pop cverna asamalik
20:00:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
20:01:14 <stickster> Oh, I have no idea whether asamalik will be here -- he's at a conference the latter half of this week IIRC
20:01:57 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:01:58 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:02:19 <asamalik> hello!
20:02:28 <ryanlerch> morning!
20:02:33 <stickster> Hi all!
20:02:43 <stickster> Yay, he is here after all!
20:02:48 <asamalik> I'm on a plane, taking off in 20 mins (yay delay!) so I guess I can have a meeting in the meantime :-D
20:02:58 <sub_pop> haha
20:03:04 <sub_pop> That's dedication.
20:03:10 <asamalik> is there a badge for that?
20:03:23 <stickster> topic ha!
20:03:47 <stickster> "Leaving on a Jetplane" badge
20:03:47 * asamalik won't even .hello
20:03:50 <stickster> :-)
20:03:55 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
20:04:08 <ryanlerch> ah, my 6am doesnt cut it compared to a plane!
20:05:30 <stickster> #info Week of Aug 27: ~68.2K pageviews up about 10% over prev week 61.3K
20:05:44 <ryanlerch> awesome!
20:06:10 <stickster> #info August 2018 at 283.6K pageviews was our best August ever, slightly up from Aug 2017 (~280.7K)
20:06:33 <stickster> Here's the kicker... September 2017 was a *big* dip. We should see if we can avoid that this year!
20:06:59 <stickster> I'm betting we can destroy last year's 224K in September
20:07:07 <sub_pop> Huh.
20:07:08 <stickster> that was still the best September ever
20:07:40 <stickster> #topic Quick review of where we are after last week
20:08:00 <ryanlerch> we are on 2.3 m for the year so far!
20:08:03 <ryanlerch> 0_o
20:08:54 <cverna> \o/
20:08:55 <stickster> So last week, we had a couple issues with pipeline -- despite best intentions, the IoT and MAC address articles weren't ready as predicted
20:09:28 <ryanlerch> stickster: thanks for the mDSN article to cover there!
20:09:40 <stickster> But we recovered OK, which is good... where are we on those articles at this point? asamalik first, then we'll see if sdgathman is around
20:10:28 <asamalik> yeah the LED article haven't seemed to be finished
20:11:08 <asamalik> even though when I checked yesterday night it looked good
20:11:40 <sdgathman> My pedagogy instinct says we need an article on running your own recursive DNS server.  Has that already been done?
20:11:41 <stickster> asamalik: I think the author is mainly done now, but one change we should probably make is cutting down the big ostree section at top -- which is interesting but arguably unnecessary
20:12:10 <asamalik> yes probably
20:12:18 <sdgathman> Including why you can't trust the ones supplied by your ISP.  Another in the "decentralize" theme.
20:12:27 <asamalik> so should we just do that and published?
20:12:42 <stickster> sdgathman: It doesn't appear so; it would be welcome for sure
20:12:45 <asamalik> and thanks for the image ryanlerch
20:12:52 <sub_pop> sdgathman: I recently heard some podcast coverage about a project that does just that
20:12:54 <stickster> asamalik: Well, with some tweaks, yes
20:12:57 <asamalik> .hello2
20:12:58 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
20:13:04 <asamalik> there we go
20:13:09 <stickster> :-)
20:13:40 <ryanlerch> asamalik: np!
20:13:42 <stickster> #idea sdgathman proposes an article on running your own recursive DNS server
20:13:58 <sub_pop> 👍
20:14:30 <sdgathman> I use bind, but should evaluate possible simpler recursive servers in Fedora to recommend to newbies.
20:14:38 <stickster> asamalik: I can help you out with a final edit pass if you like, I know you're traveling and it's harder to get all the time you need
20:15:31 <stickster> sdgathman: On your end, I think we'd like to try to get the MAC address article finished to publish next Monday, if you can still fulfill your "backup finisher" role
20:15:41 <asamalik> stickster: I could definitely make it ready for next Wednesday, maybe Monday with some extra coffee on Sunday evening :-)
20:15:50 <sdgathman> Yes.  Should I do it now?
20:16:09 <stickster> sdgathman: sure, if you have the time we have the $BEVERAGE
20:16:45 <ryanlerch> stickster: i can get the image done for the MAC one too
20:16:49 <stickster> ryanlerch: you're a champ
20:16:55 <sdgathman> Do I send diffs of markup from draft?  Do I have edit access to the draft?  Can I copy the draft?
20:18:15 <stickster> sdgathman: (1) Nope, just use WP; (2) Yes; (3) No need, just use the article as is -- https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=22442&action=edit
20:18:41 <stickster> asamalik: That would work -- if you can have it as done as you think it can be on Monday, I can do a quick-check on Tuesday
20:19:10 <sdgathman> Is it appropriate to link this page to illustrate the concept of "legibility" (as a bad thing)?  https://www.ribbonfarm.com/2010/07/26/a-big-little-idea-called-legibility/
20:19:18 <asamalik> stickster: OK that works
20:20:06 <asamalik> ok, we're taxiing, need to disappear now
20:20:07 <stickster> sdgathman: Sure.
20:20:31 <asamalik> stickster: I have a note, you'll have it ready Monday my afternoon
20:20:40 <stickster> sdgathman: Wait, hang on -- what's that page for?
20:20:45 <cverna> have a safe flight asamalik
20:21:02 <stickster> thanks asamalik !  And travel safely
20:21:09 <asamalik> thanks!
20:21:12 * asamalik waves
20:22:03 <stickster> sdgathman: I think you're helping finish the MAC address post, correct? Specifically, working on an intro that helps explain why one might want to change a MAC address
20:22:08 <sdgathman> stickster: my assignment is to explain why you should care about randomizing your MAC.  The short answer is to reduce legibility.  But understanding that answer requires understanding what legibility is in the context of centralized power.
20:22:44 <stickster> sdgathman: I just scanned that article and it's way more pedagogical than necessary.
20:23:04 <sdgathman> I can try to summarize, and provide the link for further reading.
20:23:17 <stickster> If you must link it, it should be couched with something like "This is part of a concept called legibility -- you can read more here"
20:23:35 <stickster> We're not trying to be an academic journal :-)
20:23:49 <sdgathman> Since the entire point of randomizing your MAC is reducing legibility, it has to be addressed somehow.
20:24:44 <sdgathman> If you don't care how legible you are to watchers, then there is no point in randomizing your MAC.
20:24:49 <stickster> There are plenty of ways to explain it that don't require a masters thesis, though. An example is "It helps you avoid being tracked." Or, "You can use a timed airport wifi lease multiple times."
20:25:17 <stickster> So again, the link is fine, I just think we should endeavor to keep it casual, and in keeping with the Magazine's usual voice.
20:25:28 <sdgathman> I'll do my best.
20:25:38 <ryanlerch> those are good! we are looking for the elevator pitch here (so to speak)
20:26:04 <cverna> yeah it need to be vulgarized for the average jo like me :P
20:26:19 <stickster> :-)   OK, let's see if we can sum up actions so far, I ran behind on minutes :-D
20:27:05 <stickster> #action asamalik edit the IoT article by Monday evening
20:27:56 <stickster> #action sdgathman add intro section to MAC address article by Friday evening
20:28:13 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image for MAC address article
20:28:42 <stickster> OK, so that still leaves us with Friday. I notice that sub_pop has a nice quick-news article in the hopper!
20:28:59 <cverna> sub_pop++
20:29:33 <sub_pop> Yea. It looks like we'll announce GNOME today. So we can update and publish that article on Friday.
20:30:05 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: awesome!
20:30:13 <stickster> I love it
20:30:17 <ryanlerch> these ones tend to do pretty well!
20:30:32 <stickster> indeed they do
20:30:53 <ryanlerch> IMO, we can (and probably should) post as soon as the GNOME announcement goes out
20:31:27 <ryanlerch> the other posts i did in the past lagged primarily because i missed it :)
20:31:46 <cverna> yes +1 on what ryanlerch said :)
20:31:49 <sub_pop> I'm also in control of when the GNOME press release goes out, so we can align them super-tight.
20:32:15 <sub_pop> Should I just publish the Fedora article immediately after the GNOME announcements go out, whenever they go out?
20:32:25 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: IMO, yes!
20:32:52 <ryanlerch> ping me or stickster too, and we can get the socials done for it ASAP after that too
20:32:58 <stickster> Yeah, agreed
20:33:04 <cverna> +1 from me too
20:33:13 <ryanlerch> sub_pop++
20:33:18 <stickster> Actually, ping me *and* ryanlerch... one of us will be online, but not with significant crossover time
20:33:24 <stickster> sub_pop+++++
20:33:30 <sub_pop> Ok
20:33:56 <stickster> If that goes out sooner do we still want to try to have one more thing for Friday? It's never bad to run more content. But we don't want to drain the pipeline either :-)
20:34:30 <ryanlerch> stickster: i think it will be ok to just have this one
20:34:33 <ryanlerch> IMHO
20:35:04 <cverna> yeah we don't seems to have anything else to easily push friday
20:35:04 <stickster> I can live with that, I guess. :-) I suspect the GNOME article will be a nice draw w/ some social love :-)
20:35:22 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, that is what i am kinda banking on ;)
20:35:40 <stickster> That should put us still in good shape. sdgathman is going to have the MAC one ready for us to push Monday, asamalik on Wednesday, and I think we have one more thing to do here
20:36:11 <stickster> #agreed push GNOME release article as soon as it's official, next article will be Mon 2018-09-10
20:36:16 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
20:36:16 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: i'll update our generic GNOME feature image to the 3.30 background
20:36:38 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
20:36:47 <stickster> #info --- waifu2x ---
20:36:57 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22522&preview=1&_ppp=fb69d1919d
20:37:02 <sub_pop> ryanlerch: Oh cool ok.
20:37:17 <cverna> Since we are in September now I can do another VScode article about Live Share that let you do pair programming, etc
20:37:50 <stickster> So this is a follow up article by atolstoy with a more generalized waifu2x tool that doesn't rely on Nvidia/CUDA... I'm +1 especially since it's a useful followup to a previous article. We can link back to the other one for added SEO juice
20:38:03 <cverna> It is better to have the vscode article spaced in time to avoid the Open Source police
20:38:16 <stickster> WOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO pull over
20:38:29 <ryanlerch> lol
20:38:29 <cverna> |o|
20:38:57 <sub_pop> 😂
20:39:05 <ryanlerch> +1on waifu2x
20:39:09 <cverna> +1 to atolstoy article
20:39:27 <ryanlerch> atolstoy++
20:39:34 <stickster> #agreed waifu2x article approved
20:39:46 <stickster> #action stickster email atolstoy + list to go ahead
20:41:02 <stickster> #idea cverna VS Code article on Live Share and pair programming
20:41:27 <cverna> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22550&preview=true
20:41:54 <ryanlerch> cverna: didnt even know this was a thing!
20:41:58 <ryanlerch> +1 from me
20:42:21 <cverna> ryanlerch: yeah it is quite cool :)
20:42:22 <stickster> Wow, this is all peer to peer communication? No brokering?
20:43:55 <ryanlerch> cverna: ping me if you need another person using VS code to get screenshots and stuff
20:44:08 <cverna> ryanlerch: sure thanks
20:44:17 <stickster> cverna: Ah, I see -- it is, as long as the boxes can do that -- otherwise it goes through nonfree cloud service
20:44:46 <cverna> stickster: ah I was about to say that I goes through azure
20:45:19 <stickster> cverna: That's probably something to note, and let people know what ports to open -- if their box can open a port 5990-5999 via uPnP on their router, should work diredctly.
20:45:46 <cverna> stickster +1
20:45:52 <stickster> cverna: ryanlerch: See link here: https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/visualstudio/liveshare/reference/connectivity
20:46:13 <stickster> ^ You guys could test this by blocking traffic to microsoft.com and visualstudio.com, and testing a direct link config
20:46:27 <stickster> Oh, and windows.net apparently
20:46:45 <cverna> I added that to the pitch
20:46:46 <sdgathman> stickster: If it supports IPv6, you should be able to use Cjdns
20:47:13 <stickster> I think that would be a nice way to tip the hat to more distrustful readers, but note that people can calibrate according to their own freedom-dial
20:47:14 <ryanlerch> stickster: thanks!
20:47:20 <stickster> sdgathman: nice!
20:47:40 <stickster> I like the fact that it gives you the option and it's well documented :-)
20:47:47 <stickster> +1 from me
20:47:50 <ryanlerch> agreed
20:47:54 <ryanlerch> +1 from me too
20:48:13 * sdgathman is astonished to find himself wanting to try a M$ product ...
20:48:46 <stickster> It's not the M$ of old
20:49:05 <stickster> #agreed cverna pitch on VS Code pair programming with VSLS is approved
20:49:20 <cverna> I went to a coding dojo last week and 98% of the attendee were running VScode, the other 2% was one emacs and one vim :)
20:49:43 <stickster> I've started using it here and I do like it. Plus it has emacs (or vim) keybindings if you like :-)
20:49:59 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
20:50:11 <cverna> oh I added another pitch :P
20:50:18 <stickster> #undo
20:50:18 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x7f56ec5525d0>
20:50:24 <stickster> Go ahead cverna!
20:50:37 <stickster> #topic One more pitch
20:50:49 <cverna> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22552&preview=true
20:51:14 <stickster> Very interesting! I'd heard casually about this but I don't know much about it
20:51:19 <cverna> #info -- Python XAR archive --
20:51:27 <stickster> Great addition to the Python series ;-)
20:51:38 <cverna> yeah me too, so doing an article would be a good way to test it
20:52:09 <cverna> and learn more about it :)
20:52:29 * cverna is using the magazine for his self improvement :P
20:53:17 <stickster> +1
20:53:22 <sdgathman> stickster: MAC article also needs a screen shot of configuring MAC randomness in NetworkManager GUI/applet
20:53:57 <sub_pop> ryanlerch, stickster: the GNOME announcement just went out. Whenever the image is ready, we can publish our article.
20:54:07 <sdgathman> And a brief discussion of why you *don't* want to randomize on trusted nets that need to assign you a consistent IP.
20:54:11 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: will do it now
20:54:17 <sub_pop> kk
20:54:56 <stickster> sdgathman: +1, agreed -- would be a great addition... we recommend using a fresh user account if possible so it's without UI customizations
20:55:58 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Publishing schedule: ASAP: GNOME article -- Mon 2018-09-10: MAC address (sdgathman/ryanlerch) -- Wed 2018-09-12: IoT (asamalik/stickster) -- Fri 2018-09-14: TBA
20:56:04 <stickster> oops, that was early
20:56:17 <stickster> is everyone +1 on cverna's last pitch, about XAR?
20:56:23 <stickster> #undo
20:56:23 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by cverna at 20:51:19 : -- Python XAR archive --
20:56:37 <stickster> #info -- Python XAR archive --
20:56:44 <stickster> sorry, I thought #proposed was a real thing
20:57:25 <stickster> OK, silence gives consent...
20:57:28 <sdgathman> stickster: +1 on XAR.  Sounds interesting.
20:57:40 <stickster> #agreed cverna pitch on XAR approved
20:57:48 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
20:57:57 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Publishing schedule: ASAP: GNOME article -- Mon 2018-09-10: MAC address (sdgathman/ryanlerch) -- Wed 2018-09-12: IoT (asamalik/stickster) -- Fri 2018-09-14: TBA
20:58:08 <sub_pop> Gotta run. I'll check in on the article/post tonight.
20:58:13 <stickster> Thanks sub_pop!
20:58:16 <sub_pop> +1
20:58:17 <cverna> +1
20:58:18 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: image added
20:58:28 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: publist at will
20:58:34 <ryanlerch> *publish
20:58:43 <sub_pop> Ok, if you guys like it, we can publish it. I won't get to it until tonight.
20:58:49 <stickster> do it!
20:58:50 <sub_pop> (about 6 hours from now)
20:58:52 <ryanlerch> go!
20:58:57 * stickster already glanced through it and it was good
20:59:04 <stickster> I made one small change for readability, that was it
20:59:15 <stickster> #agreed Publishing schedule: ASAP: GNOME article -- Mon 2018-09-10: MAC address (sdgathman/ryanlerch) -- Wed 2018-09-12: IoT (asamalik/stickster) -- Fri 2018-09-14: TBA
20:59:27 <stickster> #action sub_pop publish GNOME article now, it's good to go
20:59:39 <stickster> OK, thanks to everyone for being here, and for a very productive meeting!
20:59:44 <stickster> #endmeeting