20:03:07 <ryanlerch> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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20:03:42 <asamalik> .hello2
20:03:43 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
20:03:51 <ryanlerch> #chair stickster asamalik sub_pop
20:03:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
20:03:54 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:03:56 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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20:03:57 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:03:58 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:04:00 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:04:08 <stickster> Hi all -- sorry for being a couple minutes late. Meeting is running over but I'm here now.
20:04:17 <ryanlerch> #chair stickster
20:04:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
20:04:36 <ryanlerch> np stickster! welcome!
20:04:43 * asamalik waves
20:04:50 * ryanlerch hands the reigns to stickster
20:04:53 <stickster> lol
20:05:32 <stickster> #topic Last week stats
20:06:07 <stickster> #info Week of 2018-Oct-08: just under 67K page views -- a bit down but still a goodly number, esp. considering I think our schedule was a little wonky that week
20:06:32 <stickster> So far we are on track for a great October.
20:06:51 <stickster> Anything else on this?
20:06:54 <ryanlerch> yeah we are getting up near 10K/day on weekdays most days now
20:08:03 <stickster> *nod -- really strong posts are going over that, but the benchmark keeps moving up
20:08:52 <ryanlerch> which is a good thing!
20:08:54 <ryanlerch> :D
20:08:58 <stickster> indeed
20:09:03 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
20:09:37 <stickster> #info We have one already-scheduled post still remaining, ryanlerch piece on video editors
20:09:55 <ryanlerch> yeah, i'll have that ready by tomorrow
20:10:14 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
20:10:17 <stickster> ryanlerch++
20:10:53 <stickster> #info --- COPR ---
20:10:59 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22904&preview=1&_ppp=2e4f556a8f
20:11:32 <stickster> Looks like Dominik has a new draft here for projects in COPR. It looks practically ready to go! Just a quick usual edit and we already have the graphic I think.
20:11:54 <sub_pop> There's only 3 this time.
20:12:05 * cverna is a late but around
20:12:25 <sub_pop> So we'll need to change the banner image.
20:12:40 <stickster> Oh whoops, you're right.
20:13:34 <stickster> Hm. Maybe we can ask him for one more ;-)
20:14:31 <stickster> #action stickster email dturecek and see if he can add one more COPR project
20:14:40 <ryanlerch> i can change the image too :)
20:14:58 <sub_pop> Can we generic the image? "Packages to try from the COPR repos"
20:15:01 <stickster> ryanlerch: ha, he's actually in the editor right now :-D
20:15:13 <stickster> we'll check back on this one
20:15:29 <stickster> #info --- Challenge/response ---
20:15:31 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22876&preview=true
20:16:11 <cverna> great topic
20:16:39 <stickster> This looks like a REALLY cool topic. I'm strong +1.
20:17:17 <stickster> Oh I see, this was approved a while back. In any case, I think this is practically ready modulo final edit
20:17:20 <stickster> and an image
20:17:20 <cverna> yeah +1 easy peasy
20:17:23 <ryanlerch> yeah +1 from me!
20:17:31 <ryanlerch> ican do the imageo!
20:17:42 * stickster notes, this was approved back on 3rd Oct
20:17:51 <stickster> ryanlerch: nice, thanks!
20:17:53 <cverna> :)
20:18:03 <sub_pop> This looks remarkable
20:18:09 <stickster> What do you guys think if we try to schedule this for next weed?
20:18:13 <stickster> er, week  :-D
20:18:19 <asamalik> this looks really good!
20:18:43 <cverna> yes looks like a candidate for monday next week
20:18:46 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think that would be doable, and awesome!
20:19:45 <stickster> I can put up a hand to edit this one
20:19:57 <sub_pop> .fasinfo nabooengineer
20:19:58 <zodbot> sub_pop: User: nabooengineer, Name: None, email: michael.t.erwin@gmail.com, Creation: 2018-09-04, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:20:01 <zodbot> sub_pop: Unapproved Groups: security-team
20:20:05 <zodbot> sub_pop: Approved Groups: fedorabugs qa cla_done cla_fpca
20:20:09 <stickster> #action stickster edit challenge/response article, ryanlerch provide imag3e
20:20:11 <sub_pop> nabooengineer++
20:20:11 <zodbot> sub_pop: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:20:17 <stickster> nabooengineer++
20:20:17 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:20:23 <cverna> nabooengineer++
20:20:24 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:20:31 <ryanlerch> nabooengineer++
20:20:31 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:20:33 <cverna> cookies party
20:20:36 <sub_pop> Dayum!
20:20:39 <cverna> \o/
20:20:40 <asamalik> nabooengineer++
20:20:40 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 5 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:20:53 <ryanlerch> biscuits everywhere!
20:21:00 <stickster> #info --- ML model in Fedora ---
20:21:02 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22888&preview=1&_ppp=ebea8f6d96
20:21:22 <stickster> Oh wait, I'm ahead.
20:21:24 <stickster> #undo
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20:21:26 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 20:21:00 : --- ML model in Fedora ---
20:21:48 <stickster> #info --- ll command ---
20:21:50 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22882&preview=1&_ppp=8b840cc65a
20:22:09 <stickster> This doesn't have a matching pitch or email on the list AFAICT
20:22:26 <sub_pop> Isn't `ll` technically a shell alias for `ls -l`?
20:22:54 <stickster> sub_pop: correct. This is just a rundown of man page options. However, I respect the ambition. Maybe we can get the author to pick up one of our other command line quick tip articles?
20:23:10 <sub_pop> Yea definitely.
20:23:16 <stickster> .fasinfo suraj522
20:23:17 <zodbot> stickster: User: suraj522, Name: Suraj Rajendra Patil, email: surajpatil522@gmail.com, Creation: 2018-01-22, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:23:20 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
20:23:38 <stickster> #action stickster email suraj522 and make countersuggestion
20:23:49 <stickster> any other ideas on this one?
20:24:39 <asamalik> yeah I agree
20:24:55 <sub_pop> This could be made into a generic "so you're afraid of the Terminal" series. But that doesn't strike me as our audience.
20:25:14 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think getting the author to focus on another commandline article  would be +1
20:25:22 <asamalik> it really looks like a man page right now.. although it could be useful to learn about ll as a part of a bigger article showing introducing multiple different useful commands and their basic use
20:25:40 <stickster> agreed with all these
20:25:42 <ryanlerch> maybe as part of "listing files" or something like that?
20:25:47 <stickster> ryanlerch: yes!
20:25:50 <asamalik> presenting "things to achieve" rather than listing all the options
20:26:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: might be "how to locate a file"
20:26:28 <stickster> asamalik: ^
20:26:29 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
20:26:42 <ryanlerch> maybe include things like ls, ll, and tree
20:26:44 <ryanlerch> etc
20:27:00 * stickster enters quick pitch
20:27:32 <sub_pop> Don't forget the hip new `exa`
20:27:54 <asamalik> and sl :P
20:28:13 * stickster was thinking ls/ll, tree, and find -- all installed by default, right?
20:28:28 <asamalik> I think tree isn't
20:28:29 <cverna> maybe how to run ll from a container ? :P
20:28:38 <sub_pop> hahaah yes, sl ftw
20:29:07 * stickster bops cverna on the head with a fish
20:29:32 <sub_pop> cverna only if it can be deployed in openshift and *then* run in a pod
20:29:38 <stickster> #action stickster file a pitch for CLI article on locating a file
20:29:43 * cverna has been watching to many all day devops talks today :)
20:29:48 <stickster> OK, I did both things here already, to be honest :-D
20:29:49 <ryanlerch> lols
20:29:52 * asamalik has "tree" in a container on a mac because there's no tree on a mac :-x
20:29:55 <stickster> lulz
20:30:10 <ryanlerch> containaerized fish?
20:30:19 <sub_pop> asamalik, tree is in homebrew, if you have brew installed.
20:30:21 <ryanlerch> its too early, lol
20:30:39 <sub_pop> And "containers" on a Mac are actually docker running in a VM on OS X
20:30:42 <sub_pop> lol
20:30:53 <stickster> #info --- 15 years of Fedora ---
20:30:54 <asamalik> I've never said it isn't horrible
20:31:05 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21118&preview=1&_ppp=750dde94cc
20:31:23 <stickster> sub_pop: want to talk about this one?
20:31:45 <sub_pop> Oh, sure.
20:32:46 <sub_pop> Do we like the format? It turned into a "this is what Fedora was like 15 years ago" article. I guess the other angle it could go is one of "this is what we've accomplished over the last 15 years"
20:33:23 <sub_pop> It makes me wonder what the hypothetical 20 year and 25 year article would cover. Since FC1 won't change, no matter how far into the future we go from it.
20:33:59 <ryanlerch> future sub_pop's problem?
20:34:03 <ryanlerch> :D
20:34:19 <stickster> yeah, exactly! This is a great way to go, and for 20 someone could do a spanning retrospective if desired.
20:34:27 <sub_pop> Well, yea. So I don't want future sub_pop to invent a time machine just to come back in time and bop me with a fish.
20:34:29 <cverna> I think the angle is great, I believe people will enjoy looking at what was FC1
20:34:43 <asamalik> I like the accomplishment point of view!
20:34:43 <ryanlerch> yeah, i think it will go really good!
20:34:51 <stickster> sub_pop: Time machines will never exist; if they did, our current world would be overrun by time travellers.
20:35:03 <sub_pop> Are there any glaring omissions? Particularly what you can remember stickster?
20:35:26 <stickster> sub_pop: I was reading through and I think it's *really* good.
20:35:38 * cverna was under the impression that Trump was a time traveller
20:35:40 <stickster> I have a couple minor copy edits I'd do, but they're only trivial
20:36:20 <stickster> It's also very accurate about fedora.us origin AFAICT
20:36:42 <sub_pop> cverna: Trump was part of that first ship launched at the end of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy.
20:37:02 <sub_pop> stickster: Yea, I ended up digging into archive.org and piecing together bits from wikipedia entries.
20:37:38 <sub_pop> I didn't go into dates and a timeline. Tried to keep it abstract.
20:37:49 <stickster> really well done, sir!
20:38:02 <ryanlerch> it is awesome!
20:38:24 <ryanlerch> i'll try to get a special image for this one
20:38:30 <ryanlerch> involving cake
20:38:35 <sub_pop> And beefy
20:38:42 <stickster> "There is no better way to understand history than to experience it." -- sub_pop, again with the time traveling!  ;-D
20:38:45 <ryanlerch> you want beefy?
20:38:59 <stickster> was beefy around for the original Anaconda in FC1?
20:39:01 <ryanlerch> SCHD
20:39:02 <stickster> I HOPE SO
20:39:02 <sub_pop> I'm big into Doctor Who. What can I say.  :)
20:39:13 <sub_pop> I don't think it was, actually.
20:39:35 <ryanlerch> sorr, CSHD
20:39:38 <sub_pop> Ok. So I'll get on with the people article then. Can I leave this one to edits?
20:39:45 <ryanlerch> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495561
20:39:51 <stickster> https://beefymiracle.org/history.html
20:40:13 <stickster> ryanlerch: HAHAHAHAHAHA: CLOSED NOTABUG
20:40:24 <ryanlerch> this was pre-beefy
20:41:53 <sub_pop> Apparently beefy is quite culturally contraversial
20:41:57 <stickster> OK ryanlerch -- you have a mission
20:42:10 <stickster> #action ryanlerch determine whether Beefy Miracle appeared in the PNG collection in FC1 anaconda
20:42:56 <stickster> Controversy aside, Beefy was a thing
20:43:12 <stickster> So this is scheduled to go out when again, sub_pop ?
20:43:27 <sub_pop> November 6 is the day FC1 was announced.
20:43:40 <cverna> 3rd of November ?
20:43:46 <sub_pop> https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2003-November/msg00000.html
20:43:50 <cverna> ah 6th :)
20:44:03 <stickster> OK, that's a Wednesday. I'm going to set that in the post for good measure
20:44:23 <stickster> Oh it is. Thanks past stickster! No fish bopping for you
20:44:51 <stickster> Let's move on, time is running short
20:45:35 <stickster> #info --- Machine learning model ---
20:45:36 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22888&preview=1&_ppp=ebea8f6d96
20:46:08 <sub_pop> I like these "Fedora being used by scientists" posts
20:46:49 <stickster> This is a pretty neat pitch! TensorFlow is open source, and so is Connexion -- I say big +1 to this!
20:46:51 <cverna> +1 we should ask the author to consider podman instead of docker
20:46:56 <stickster> cverna: agreed
20:47:16 <asamalik> +1
20:47:20 <asamalik> cverna: yes :)
20:48:04 <stickster> #action stickster leave editorial comment (DONE)
20:48:16 <ryanlerch> yeah +1
20:48:46 <ryanlerch> me is not failiar with these tech, but is it as complicated to set up at this?
20:48:57 <ryanlerch> at first glance, it seems pretty complex
20:49:37 <stickster> ryanlerch: I don't think it's as complex as it sounds. I don't know much about ML models, but my bet is, you can download one or more off a git forge ready-to-go
20:49:46 <stickster> I don't think this is about teaching people how to write a ML model
20:50:25 <stickster> just deploying something they can use
20:50:37 <ryanlerch> okies! sounds good!
20:50:54 <stickster> The REST API is probably the most complex thing here, and I think it's *probably* along the lines of things cverna has done on the Magazine previously
20:51:03 * stickster could be wrong, of course
20:51:54 <stickster> .fasinfo .r00nz
20:51:56 <zodbot> stickster: User ".r00nz" doesn't exist
20:52:00 <stickster> oops
20:52:02 <stickster> .fasinfo r00nz
20:52:02 <zodbot> stickster: User: r00nz, Name: Sven Bösiger, email: sven@ujelang.com, Creation: 2018-08-27, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:52:05 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
20:52:44 <cverna> if too complex or too long we could split it in 2
20:53:00 <stickster> sure
20:53:03 <cverna> setup the ML model and part 2 create a REST API
20:53:13 <stickster> *nod
20:53:28 <stickster> safe to assume we might not see this until next week at earliest
20:53:48 <sub_pop> Yea.
20:54:06 <stickster> I just realized I might have inadvertently emailed him three times. Sorry Sven.
20:54:30 <stickster> well, if he doesn't get the message we're +1 now, I don't know what we can do :-D
20:54:40 <sub_pop> lol
20:54:42 <stickster> #info --- find ---
20:54:43 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22871&preview=1&_ppp=0bf9238653
20:54:45 <cverna> with a bit of luck the 3 emails went to the spam folder :D
20:55:34 <stickster> cverna: yeah :-(
20:55:41 <sub_pop> I see we're into command-line basics this week.
20:55:43 <stickster> hm, this is an unsolicited article about the find command, what do you know. Unfortunately the writing is *really* rough here.
20:55:57 <stickster> .fasinfo shubham1994
20:55:58 <zodbot> stickster: User: shubham1994, Name: shubham ashok shreevastav, email: shubh1929@yahoo.com, Creation: 2018-04-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:56:02 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
20:56:38 <cverna> these feels like quick way to get your name on the magazine web site articles
20:56:43 * stickster looking for tips on how to proceed here. sub_pop, cverna, asamalik, ryanlerch?
20:57:07 <sub_pop> Maybe a "quick tips" on finding files, like you did here: https://fedoramagazine.org/commandline-quick-tips-reading-files-different-ways/
20:57:59 <cverna> yes +1 to sub_pop comment
20:58:21 <ryanlerch> yeah +1 to sub_pop 's suggestions
20:58:29 <asamalik> we've also proposed to the author of the ll draft to include tree and find
20:58:34 <sub_pop> The examples are usable. They show how to use find's various options.
20:58:39 <ryanlerch> making these more than just how to use $x is a good thing
20:58:41 <stickster> cverna: *nod, we've seen examples of that in the past. Also, it looks like some of the text is copied directly from a Linode help article online, which is CC-BY-ND 4.0.
20:58:54 <stickster> ^ that's kind of a problem
20:59:06 <sub_pop> Woops
20:59:14 <ryanlerch> a quick google search shows the text in this post may be lifted from elsewhere too :/
20:59:25 <stickster> *jinx
20:59:33 <ryanlerch> stickster: my slow typing speed again
20:59:35 <stickster> ha
20:59:37 <ryanlerch> jinx
20:59:41 <stickster> hahahaha
20:59:47 <stickster> metajinx
21:00:05 <stickster> What if we ask the author the same thing -- would they like to take a different CLI article that we assign?
21:00:24 * stickster suspects we will get no response. But that's fine, it just confirms one hypothesis over others
21:00:28 <cverna> ryanlerch: you are one day ahead of us so it takes time for your messages to reach us :)
21:00:35 <ryanlerch> :D
21:00:39 <sub_pop> haha
21:00:40 <stickster> also it's harder because he has to type upside down
21:00:46 <sub_pop> rofl
21:00:51 <cverna> lol
21:00:53 <asamalik> lol
21:01:03 <stickster> wow, good crowd tonight
21:01:19 <sub_pop> oh. it's 2:00. I gotta run.
21:01:28 <stickster> thanks sub_pop -- we'll wrap up shortly
21:01:31 * stickster sorry for going over.
21:01:35 <ryanlerch> you guys fogot how hard it is to type with being bitten by snakes and riding a kangaroo
21:01:47 <stickster> #action stickster reach out to find article author to countersuggest
21:01:50 <asamalik> stickster: +1 to your proposal
21:01:51 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule
21:02:23 <asamalik> ryanlerch: and spiders grabbing your monitor and moving it all the time? :P
21:04:06 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (stickster: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, challenge/response (? edit, ryanlerch image)
21:04:30 <stickster> Can I ask asamalik to take the COPR edit? There is probably not much to do.
21:04:54 <ryanlerch> +1 from me!
21:04:57 <stickster> Also, I goofed. Fri 26 Oct should be web pages part 3, which I have the ticket to edit
21:04:58 <asamalik> stickster: sure!
21:05:16 <stickster> Thanks asamalik
21:05:30 <cverna> +1 from me too
21:05:31 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (stickster: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, Web pages part 3 (stickster)
21:05:38 <stickster> argh!!!
21:05:39 <ryanlerch> +1 again!
21:05:44 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (asamalik: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, Web pages part 3 (stickster)
21:05:59 <stickster> WHERE ARE YOUR +1'S NOW?!?
21:06:03 <stickster> lol
21:06:07 <asamalik> +2
21:06:08 <ryanlerch> hmmm, not sure now
21:06:12 <stickster> grrr
21:06:13 <stickster> hahahaha
21:06:14 <ryanlerch> +1
21:06:28 <stickster> cverna: I'm assuming you are still working on your next Python masterpiece :-)
21:06:53 <cverna> I ll start the VS Code Live share article
21:07:23 <stickster> thanks cverna!
21:07:24 <cverna> VS Code was broken in f29 for a little while
21:07:34 <stickster> right
21:07:45 <stickster> #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (asamalik: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, Web pages part 3 (stickster)
21:07:54 <stickster> cverna++
21:08:08 <stickster> OK, that's it for tonight then! Thanks for being here, everyone, and sorry we went late
21:08:12 <stickster> #endmeeting