20:03:07 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 20:03:07 Meeting started Wed Oct 17 20:03:07 2018 UTC. 20:03:07 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 20:03:07 The chair is ryanlerch. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:03:07 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:03:07 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 20:03:42 .hello2 20:03:43 asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' 20:03:51 #chair stickster asamalik sub_pop 20:03:51 Current chairs: asamalik ryanlerch stickster sub_pop 20:03:54 .hello linkdupont 20:03:56 #meetingname magazine 20:03:56 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 20:03:57 sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' 20:03:58 .hello pfrields 20:04:00 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 20:04:08 Hi all -- sorry for being a couple minutes late. Meeting is running over but I'm here now. 20:04:17 #chair stickster 20:04:17 Current chairs: asamalik ryanlerch stickster sub_pop 20:04:36 np stickster! welcome! 20:04:43 * asamalik waves 20:04:50 * ryanlerch hands the reigns to stickster 20:04:53 lol 20:05:32 #topic Last week stats 20:06:07 #info Week of 2018-Oct-08: just under 67K page views -- a bit down but still a goodly number, esp. considering I think our schedule was a little wonky that week 20:06:32 So far we are on track for a great October. 20:06:51 Anything else on this? 20:06:54 yeah we are getting up near 10K/day on weekdays most days now 20:08:03 *nod -- really strong posts are going over that, but the benchmark keeps moving up 20:08:52 which is a good thing! 20:08:54 :D 20:08:58 indeed 20:09:03 #topic Drafts to review 20:09:37 #info We have one already-scheduled post still remaining, ryanlerch piece on video editors 20:09:55 yeah, i'll have that ready by tomorrow 20:10:14 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 20:10:17 ryanlerch++ 20:10:53 #info --- COPR --- 20:10:59 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22904&preview=1&_ppp=2e4f556a8f 20:11:32 Looks like Dominik has a new draft here for projects in COPR. It looks practically ready to go! Just a quick usual edit and we already have the graphic I think. 20:11:54 There's only 3 this time. 20:12:05 * cverna is a late but around 20:12:25 So we'll need to change the banner image. 20:12:40 Oh whoops, you're right. 20:13:34 Hm. Maybe we can ask him for one more ;-) 20:14:31 #action stickster email dturecek and see if he can add one more COPR project 20:14:40 i can change the image too :) 20:14:58 Can we generic the image? "Packages to try from the COPR repos" 20:15:01 ryanlerch: ha, he's actually in the editor right now :-D 20:15:13 we'll check back on this one 20:15:29 #info --- Challenge/response --- 20:15:31 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22876&preview=true 20:16:11 great topic 20:16:39 This looks like a REALLY cool topic. I'm strong +1. 20:17:17 Oh I see, this was approved a while back. In any case, I think this is practically ready modulo final edit 20:17:20 and an image 20:17:20 yeah +1 easy peasy 20:17:23 yeah +1 from me! 20:17:31 ican do the imageo! 20:17:42 * stickster notes, this was approved back on 3rd Oct 20:17:51 ryanlerch: nice, thanks! 20:17:53 :) 20:18:03 This looks remarkable 20:18:09 What do you guys think if we try to schedule this for next weed? 20:18:13 er, week :-D 20:18:19 this looks really good! 20:18:43 yes looks like a candidate for monday next week 20:18:46 yeah, i think that would be doable, and awesome! 20:19:45 I can put up a hand to edit this one 20:19:57 .fasinfo nabooengineer 20:19:58 sub_pop: User: nabooengineer, Name: None, email: michael.t.erwin@gmail.com, Creation: 2018-09-04, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 20:20:01 sub_pop: Unapproved Groups: security-team 20:20:05 sub_pop: Approved Groups: fedorabugs qa cla_done cla_fpca 20:20:09 #action stickster edit challenge/response article, ryanlerch provide imag3e 20:20:11 nabooengineer++ 20:20:11 sub_pop: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:20:17 nabooengineer++ 20:20:17 stickster: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:20:23 nabooengineer++ 20:20:24 cverna: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:20:31 nabooengineer++ 20:20:31 ryanlerch: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:20:33 cookies party 20:20:36 Dayum! 20:20:39 \o/ 20:20:40 nabooengineer++ 20:20:40 asamalik: Karma for nabooengineer changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:20:53 biscuits everywhere! 20:21:00 #info --- ML model in Fedora --- 20:21:02 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22888&preview=1&_ppp=ebea8f6d96 20:21:22 Oh wait, I'm ahead. 20:21:24 #undo 20:21:24 Removing item from minutes: 20:21:26 #undo 20:21:26 Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 20:21:00 : --- ML model in Fedora --- 20:21:48 #info --- ll command --- 20:21:50 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22882&preview=1&_ppp=8b840cc65a 20:22:09 This doesn't have a matching pitch or email on the list AFAICT 20:22:26 Isn't `ll` technically a shell alias for `ls -l`? 20:22:54 sub_pop: correct. This is just a rundown of man page options. However, I respect the ambition. Maybe we can get the author to pick up one of our other command line quick tip articles? 20:23:10 Yea definitely. 20:23:16 .fasinfo suraj522 20:23:17 stickster: User: suraj522, Name: Suraj Rajendra Patil, email: surajpatil522@gmail.com, Creation: 2018-01-22, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 20:23:20 stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 20:23:38 #action stickster email suraj522 and make countersuggestion 20:23:49 any other ideas on this one? 20:24:39 yeah I agree 20:24:55 This could be made into a generic "so you're afraid of the Terminal" series. But that doesn't strike me as our audience. 20:25:14 yeah, i think getting the author to focus on another commandline article would be +1 20:25:22 it really looks like a man page right now.. although it could be useful to learn about ll as a part of a bigger article showing introducing multiple different useful commands and their basic use 20:25:40 agreed with all these 20:25:42 maybe as part of "listing files" or something like that? 20:25:47 ryanlerch: yes! 20:25:50 presenting "things to achieve" rather than listing all the options 20:26:18 ryanlerch: might be "how to locate a file" 20:26:28 asamalik: ^ 20:26:29 stickster: +1 20:26:42 maybe include things like ls, ll, and tree 20:26:44 etc 20:27:00 * stickster enters quick pitch 20:27:32 Don't forget the hip new `exa` 20:27:54 and sl :P 20:28:13 * stickster was thinking ls/ll, tree, and find -- all installed by default, right? 20:28:28 I think tree isn't 20:28:29 maybe how to run ll from a container ? :P 20:28:38 hahaah yes, sl ftw 20:29:07 * stickster bops cverna on the head with a fish 20:29:32 cverna only if it can be deployed in openshift and *then* run in a pod 20:29:38 #action stickster file a pitch for CLI article on locating a file 20:29:43 * cverna has been watching to many all day devops talks today :) 20:29:48 OK, I did both things here already, to be honest :-D 20:29:49 lols 20:29:52 * asamalik has "tree" in a container on a mac because there's no tree on a mac :-x 20:29:55 lulz 20:30:10 containaerized fish? 20:30:19 asamalik, tree is in homebrew, if you have brew installed. 20:30:21 its too early, lol 20:30:39 And "containers" on a Mac are actually docker running in a VM on OS X 20:30:42 lol 20:30:53 #info --- 15 years of Fedora --- 20:30:54 I've never said it isn't horrible 20:31:05 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21118&preview=1&_ppp=750dde94cc 20:31:23 sub_pop: want to talk about this one? 20:31:45 Oh, sure. 20:32:46 Do we like the format? It turned into a "this is what Fedora was like 15 years ago" article. I guess the other angle it could go is one of "this is what we've accomplished over the last 15 years" 20:33:23 It makes me wonder what the hypothetical 20 year and 25 year article would cover. Since FC1 won't change, no matter how far into the future we go from it. 20:33:59 future sub_pop's problem? 20:34:03 :D 20:34:19 yeah, exactly! This is a great way to go, and for 20 someone could do a spanning retrospective if desired. 20:34:27 Well, yea. So I don't want future sub_pop to invent a time machine just to come back in time and bop me with a fish. 20:34:29 I think the angle is great, I believe people will enjoy looking at what was FC1 20:34:43 I like the accomplishment point of view! 20:34:43 yeah, i think it will go really good! 20:34:51 sub_pop: Time machines will never exist; if they did, our current world would be overrun by time travellers. 20:35:03 Are there any glaring omissions? Particularly what you can remember stickster? 20:35:26 sub_pop: I was reading through and I think it's *really* good. 20:35:38 * cverna was under the impression that Trump was a time traveller 20:35:40 I have a couple minor copy edits I'd do, but they're only trivial 20:36:20 It's also very accurate about fedora.us origin AFAICT 20:36:42 cverna: Trump was part of that first ship launched at the end of Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy. 20:37:02 stickster: Yea, I ended up digging into archive.org and piecing together bits from wikipedia entries. 20:37:38 I didn't go into dates and a timeline. Tried to keep it abstract. 20:37:49 really well done, sir! 20:38:02 it is awesome! 20:38:24 i'll try to get a special image for this one 20:38:30 involving cake 20:38:35 And beefy 20:38:42 "There is no better way to understand history than to experience it." -- sub_pop, again with the time traveling! ;-D 20:38:45 you want beefy? 20:38:59 was beefy around for the original Anaconda in FC1? 20:39:01 SCHD 20:39:02 I HOPE SO 20:39:02 I'm big into Doctor Who. What can I say. :) 20:39:13 I don't think it was, actually. 20:39:35 sorr, CSHD 20:39:38 Ok. So I'll get on with the people article then. Can I leave this one to edits? 20:39:45 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=495561 20:39:51 https://beefymiracle.org/history.html 20:40:13 ryanlerch: HAHAHAHAHAHA: CLOSED NOTABUG 20:40:24 this was pre-beefy 20:41:53 Apparently beefy is quite culturally contraversial 20:41:57 OK ryanlerch -- you have a mission 20:42:10 #action ryanlerch determine whether Beefy Miracle appeared in the PNG collection in FC1 anaconda 20:42:56 Controversy aside, Beefy was a thing 20:43:12 So this is scheduled to go out when again, sub_pop ? 20:43:27 November 6 is the day FC1 was announced. 20:43:40 3rd of November ? 20:43:46 https://www.redhat.com/archives/fedora-announce-list/2003-November/msg00000.html 20:43:50 ah 6th :) 20:44:03 OK, that's a Wednesday. I'm going to set that in the post for good measure 20:44:23 Oh it is. Thanks past stickster! No fish bopping for you 20:44:51 Let's move on, time is running short 20:45:35 #info --- Machine learning model --- 20:45:36 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22888&preview=1&_ppp=ebea8f6d96 20:46:08 I like these "Fedora being used by scientists" posts 20:46:49 This is a pretty neat pitch! TensorFlow is open source, and so is Connexion -- I say big +1 to this! 20:46:51 +1 we should ask the author to consider podman instead of docker 20:46:56 cverna: agreed 20:47:16 +1 20:47:20 cverna: yes :) 20:48:04 #action stickster leave editorial comment (DONE) 20:48:16 yeah +1 20:48:46 me is not failiar with these tech, but is it as complicated to set up at this? 20:48:57 at first glance, it seems pretty complex 20:49:37 ryanlerch: I don't think it's as complex as it sounds. I don't know much about ML models, but my bet is, you can download one or more off a git forge ready-to-go 20:49:46 I don't think this is about teaching people how to write a ML model 20:50:25 just deploying something they can use 20:50:37 okies! sounds good! 20:50:54 The REST API is probably the most complex thing here, and I think it's *probably* along the lines of things cverna has done on the Magazine previously 20:51:03 * stickster could be wrong, of course 20:51:54 .fasinfo .r00nz 20:51:56 stickster: User ".r00nz" doesn't exist 20:52:00 oops 20:52:02 .fasinfo r00nz 20:52:02 stickster: User: r00nz, Name: Sven Bösiger, email: sven@ujelang.com, Creation: 2018-08-27, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 20:52:05 stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 20:52:44 if too complex or too long we could split it in 2 20:53:00 sure 20:53:03 setup the ML model and part 2 create a REST API 20:53:13 *nod 20:53:28 safe to assume we might not see this until next week at earliest 20:53:48 Yea. 20:54:06 I just realized I might have inadvertently emailed him three times. Sorry Sven. 20:54:30 well, if he doesn't get the message we're +1 now, I don't know what we can do :-D 20:54:40 lol 20:54:42 #info --- find --- 20:54:43 #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22871&preview=1&_ppp=0bf9238653 20:54:45 with a bit of luck the 3 emails went to the spam folder :D 20:55:34 cverna: yeah :-( 20:55:41 I see we're into command-line basics this week. 20:55:43 hm, this is an unsolicited article about the find command, what do you know. Unfortunately the writing is *really* rough here. 20:55:57 .fasinfo shubham1994 20:55:58 stickster: User: shubham1994, Name: shubham ashok shreevastav, email: shubh1929@yahoo.com, Creation: 2018-04-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 20:56:02 stickster: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca 20:56:38 these feels like quick way to get your name on the magazine web site articles 20:56:43 * stickster looking for tips on how to proceed here. sub_pop, cverna, asamalik, ryanlerch? 20:57:07 Maybe a "quick tips" on finding files, like you did here: https://fedoramagazine.org/commandline-quick-tips-reading-files-different-ways/ 20:57:59 yes +1 to sub_pop comment 20:58:21 yeah +1 to sub_pop 's suggestions 20:58:29 we've also proposed to the author of the ll draft to include tree and find 20:58:34 The examples are usable. They show how to use find's various options. 20:58:39 making these more than just how to use $x is a good thing 20:58:41 cverna: *nod, we've seen examples of that in the past. Also, it looks like some of the text is copied directly from a Linode help article online, which is CC-BY-ND 4.0. 20:58:54 ^ that's kind of a problem 20:59:06 Woops 20:59:14 a quick google search shows the text in this post may be lifted from elsewhere too :/ 20:59:25 *jinx 20:59:33 stickster: my slow typing speed again 20:59:35 ha 20:59:37 jinx 20:59:41 hahahaha 20:59:47 metajinx 21:00:05 What if we ask the author the same thing -- would they like to take a different CLI article that we assign? 21:00:24 * stickster suspects we will get no response. But that's fine, it just confirms one hypothesis over others 21:00:28 ryanlerch: you are one day ahead of us so it takes time for your messages to reach us :) 21:00:35 :D 21:00:39 haha 21:00:40 also it's harder because he has to type upside down 21:00:46 rofl 21:00:51 lol 21:00:53 lol 21:01:03 wow, good crowd tonight 21:01:19 oh. it's 2:00. I gotta run. 21:01:28 thanks sub_pop -- we'll wrap up shortly 21:01:31 * stickster sorry for going over. 21:01:35 you guys fogot how hard it is to type with being bitten by snakes and riding a kangaroo 21:01:47 #action stickster reach out to find article author to countersuggest 21:01:50 stickster: +1 to your proposal 21:01:51 #topic Publishing schedule 21:02:23 ryanlerch: and spiders grabbing your monitor and moving it all the time? :P 21:04:06 #proposed #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (stickster: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, challenge/response (? edit, ryanlerch image) 21:04:30 Can I ask asamalik to take the COPR edit? There is probably not much to do. 21:04:54 +1 from me! 21:04:57 Also, I goofed. Fri 26 Oct should be web pages part 3, which I have the ticket to edit 21:04:58 stickster: sure! 21:05:16 Thanks asamalik 21:05:30 +1 from me too 21:05:31 #proposed #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (stickster: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, Web pages part 3 (stickster) 21:05:38 argh!!! 21:05:39 +1 again! 21:05:44 #proposed #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (asamalik: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, Web pages part 3 (stickster) 21:05:59 WHERE ARE YOUR +1'S NOW?!? 21:06:03 lol 21:06:07 +2 21:06:08 hmmm, not sure now 21:06:12 grrr 21:06:13 hahahaha 21:06:14 +1 21:06:28 cverna: I'm assuming you are still working on your next Python masterpiece :-) 21:06:53 I ll start the VS Code Live share article 21:07:23 thanks cverna! 21:07:24 VS Code was broken in f29 for a little while 21:07:34 right 21:07:45 #agreed Fri 19 Oct, video editors (ryanlerch) -- Mon 22 Oct, challenge/response (stickster edit, ryanlerch image) -- Wed 24 Oct, COPR (asamalik: light edit) -- Fri 26 Oct, Web pages part 3 (stickster) 21:07:54 cverna++ 21:08:08 OK, that's it for tonight then! Thanks for being here, everyone, and sorry we went late 21:08:12 #endmeeting