20:00:29 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 20:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Oct 31 20:00:29 2018 UTC. 20:00:29 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 20:00:29 <zodbot> The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 20:00:32 <stickster> #meetingname magazine 20:00:32 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 20:00:35 <stickster> #topic Roll call 20:00:38 <stickster> .hello pfrields 20:00:39 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 20:01:06 <stickster> #chair ryanlerch cverna asamalik 20:01:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster 20:01:15 * asamalik waves 20:01:18 <asamalik> .hello2 20:01:19 <cverna> o/ 20:01:20 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com> 20:01:32 <asamalik> yay today an hour earlier! \o/ 20:02:04 <stickster> wow, cool asamalik... sorry it's only for a week :-( 20:02:45 <asamalik> yeah I know 20:02:53 * asamalik loves timezones and DST 20:03:32 <asamalik> we should write an article about weird timezones :D 20:03:32 <cverna> there are plans to drop daylight saving in Europe :) 20:03:38 <asamalik> which would be so irrelevant to Fedora, never mind :) 20:03:53 <asamalik> cverna: I heard! 20:03:57 <stickster> HA 20:04:11 * stickster still hoping we will see ryanlerch shortly 20:04:22 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats 20:04:59 <stickster> #info Week of October 22: > 66.6K pageviews -- up from previous week and not bad 20:05:08 <stickster> This week I expect... well, more :-) 20:05:29 <asamalik> that's a hell of a pageviews! 20:05:31 <stickster> One way everyone can help is RT'ing announcements and articles ;-) 20:05:35 <cverna> we are getting close to the 3M views over the year 20:05:35 <stickster> hahaha 20:06:21 <stickster> Indeed. I expect we'll cross it in the next week. We might be able to hit our 3.5M pageview target if we plan and execute well! 20:06:54 <stickster> #topic Pending review posts 20:07:00 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post 20:07:22 <stickster> #info --- VS Code live share --- 20:07:49 <stickster> cverna: what do we want to do with this one? ISTR you said it had a problem, in that you discovered the plugin wasn't FOSS 20:08:19 <cverna> yes :( the actual plugin is not open source 20:08:40 <stickster> We sometimes have articles about non-FOSS... such as Steam games, Chrome, etc. But this one also ties into a non-FOSS service and it's not clear whether, if you add that, does it weigh too much on non-open/free 20:08:41 <cverna> I meant to ask if they have plan to open source it or not 20:09:30 <stickster> Is there any option to use it with other backends? Or your own server, or direct point to point? 20:09:34 <asamalik> on the other hand, you can run it on Fedora to potentially make Fedora better if you're a contributor :) 20:09:56 <cverna> stickster: yes I cover it at the end of the article 20:10:09 <cverna> stickster: but I could expend a little bit more on that 20:10:23 <stickster> asamalik: yeah. It's a tough call here. We've clearly said that just because it's not open, doesn't mean we can't cover it, as long as we're not pre-empting good FOSS choices 20:11:19 <cverna> we can expect the M$ comment anyway so maybe that's fine :P 20:11:42 <cverna> s/comment/comments/ 20:11:59 <asamalik> stickster: very good point 20:12:29 <cverna> We can keep it there for another week, and I ll try to find out if there are plans to open source it or not 20:12:34 <stickster> cverna: is this a popular plugin? is it possible to tell? 20:13:13 <cverna> form the extension stored installed 2,889,136 times 20:13:16 <stickster> Hey, my delivery arrived! AFK for just a couple minutes, I have to sign for it 20:13:34 <cverna> so it is pretty popular 20:13:41 <cverna> np 20:13:43 <Southern_Gentlem> stickster we ae seeing more and more people with it in #fedora but when asked no one give a good reason why 20:14:35 <asamalik> isn't it this one? https://github.com/MicrosoftDocs/live-share 20:14:41 <Southern_Gentlem> maybe ask the .net group 20:14:47 <stickster> OK, I'm back 20:15:11 <cverna> asamalik: yes, only the docs are available on github 20:15:24 <asamalik> ah I just see it, you're right cverna 20:15:30 <stickster> Southern_Gentlem: at some point, when something has a high install rate, it's like a network effect. People think, "This must be good," and they get it. 20:15:31 <asamalik> they tricked me! 20:15:43 <Southern_Gentlem> stickster, yep 20:15:45 <stickster> OTOH if it sucked it seems like it wouldn't have got critical mass 20:16:03 <stickster> I like the fact that you can use it with direct connection, that's cool 20:16:28 <stickster> cverna: I think this is OK to go forward, but I'm 100% OK with your idea -- see about open sourcing, and add info based on that 20:17:21 <cverna> I ll try to get an answers as soon as possible and update the article with the extra info 20:17:27 <stickster> cverna: You might want to mention gobby05, which we could always consider covering in a later article 20:17:58 <stickster> It's not hard to run that service either, although there's no VS Code on either end, just a rudimentary editor :-( 20:18:17 <stickster> cverna++ 20:18:17 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for cverna changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:18:38 <stickster> #agreed cverna will get more info on open sourcing, add that, and we'll go from there; also consider adding info about gobby05 20:18:47 <cverna> yes it is pretty unique at the moment, I think the github editor atom has something similar but I did not try it 20:18:51 <stickster> #info --- Selenium --- 20:19:03 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22962&preview=1&_ppp=8f14107c87 20:19:46 <cverna> nice to see more and more podman in the articles :) 20:20:01 <stickster> Indeed cverna! I looked over this earlier and other than a light edit and an image, it's practically ready to go 20:20:50 <stickster> proposed #agreed Add selenium article to publishing schedule 20:21:03 <asamalik> I like it, although I'd change the Dockerfile there to be based on Fedora 20:21:22 <asamalik> now it says "FROM python" 20:21:45 <asamalik> and yes I love it's using podman! 20:21:51 <stickster> oh, good point asamalik -- can you put that editorial comment in? 20:22:14 <asamalik> stickster: definitely, is there something for it in wordpress? 20:22:31 <stickster> asamalik: yes -- under the article's editor, you should find the editorial comment form 20:22:38 <stickster> it will email the author too I think 20:23:08 <stickster> #action asamalik add editorial comment about basing Dockerfile on Fedora 20:23:14 <stickster> 28 should be OK if they're skittish ;-) 20:23:24 <stickster> but would be nice if it can be tested good on 29 20:23:51 <stickster> We can set this up for late next week 20:24:14 <stickster> #info --- ML model --- 20:24:17 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22888&preview=1&_ppp=63d278247b 20:24:36 <stickster> This also looks really good and practically ready. And their dockerfile is on Fedora 28 ;-) 20:25:11 * asamalik learned about editorial comments, and might even read them next time he edits something! 20:25:16 <asamalik> stickster: done 20:25:22 <stickster> asamalik++ 20:25:23 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for asamalik changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:25:31 <stickster> I'm all about the COOKIES! 20:25:35 <cverna> asamalik++ 20:25:35 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for asamalik changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:25:39 <cverna> stickster++ 20:25:42 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for pfrields changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:25:47 <asamalik> cookies++ 20:25:58 <cverna> \o/ new cookie jar 20:26:00 <stickster> #proposed #agreed add ML model article to publishing schedule 20:26:17 <cverna> oh and ryanlerch++ for the upgrade article :) 20:26:17 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:26:27 <asamalik> +1 20:26:29 <stickster> If we get this out to socials with cool hashtags, it can drive some traffic to the Magazine to see the latest Fedora 29 release, too ;-) 20:26:44 <cverna> +1 20:26:52 <asamalik> hashtags++ 20:26:53 <stickster> #agreed add ML model article to publishing schedule 20:27:25 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review 20:27:38 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 20:27:47 <stickster> #info --- NEST simulator --- 20:27:52 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22859&preview=1&_ppp=4f01713e66 20:28:04 <stickster> Oh, this looks cool too! So much good dev stuff this week. 20:28:54 <cverna> yeah I agreed to edit this one last week if I remember correctly 20:29:08 <cverna> I can still do it 20:29:15 <stickster> cverna: there's a bit of featured image included, but either Ryan or I can spruce it up. 20:29:22 <stickster> Maybe we should try for Friday cverna? 20:29:32 <cverna> works for me 20:29:50 <stickster> #agreed cverna to edit NEST article and we can publish Fri 2018-Nov-02 20:29:59 <stickster> #action cverna edit NEST article 20:30:07 <asamalik> cverna++ 20:30:07 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for cverna changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:30:08 <stickster> #nick ryanlerch 20:30:17 <stickster> #action stickster or ryanlerch do image for NEST article 20:31:34 <stickster> #info --- 15 years of Fedora --- 20:31:40 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21118&preview=1&_ppp=292ed7ee0b 20:32:13 <stickster> This is ready to go and just needs an image 20:32:20 <stickster> I'm going to unilaterally assign that to ryanlerch :-) 20:32:31 <stickster> #action ryanlerch do image for 15 years of Fedora so it can go out Nov-06 20:33:28 <asamalik> nice! 20:33:35 <stickster> I think we have enough that we are going to be able to cover next week just fine 20:33:47 <Southern_Gentlem> stickster, i have the group image from fudcon blacksburg if needed 20:34:26 <stickster> Southern_Gentlem: neat -- drop link here and we'll let Ryan figure it out ;-D 20:34:58 <stickster> Since that article is about the tech, we might hold the group image for something like the people/idea-centric article that sub_pop was still working on 20:35:17 * stickster would love to get a collage of FUDCon/Flock pictures for that 20:35:55 <stickster> asamalik: Are you interested to do one of the command line quick tip articles? That way we can cover next week in spades 20:36:07 * stickster thinking, for Monday 20:36:42 <asamalik> stickster: sure! 20:37:03 <stickster> asamalik: You can find them in the "Pitch" status bin 20:37:11 <stickster> asamalik: take your pick! Or do your own, we trust you ;-) 20:37:27 <stickster> #action asamalik Write a CLI quick tip article for us to publish on Monday 20:37:38 <stickster> asamalik: let me know which you pick tomorrow, and I'll have an image ready for it in time 20:37:49 <asamalik> stickster: deal! 20:38:21 <stickster> #action stickster do image for CLI quick tip article and publish 20:38:25 <stickster> OK, that takes us to... 20:38:57 <stickster> #topic Pitches to approve 20:39:10 * cverna just added a Pitch 20:39:12 <stickster> #info --- Cloning console MAC address --- 20:39:33 <stickster> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/magazine@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/GX7X5FSN4Y74A4RVZEWXJ6OPEIDBCWBD/ 20:39:47 <stickster> This is a neat hack :-D 20:40:26 <stickster> Votes? 20:40:27 <asamalik> hahaha cool idea 20:40:32 <cverna> +1 :) 20:40:45 <cverna> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=22833&preview=true 20:40:56 <cverna> this is the actual pitch ^^ 20:41:00 <asamalik> +11:11:11:11:11:11 20:41:58 <cverna> lol 20:44:30 <stickster> +1 here 20:45:26 <stickster> #agreed MAC address pitch goes forward 20:46:14 <stickster> #action stickster email author/list (DONE) 20:46:31 <stickster> #info --- Develop cloud native apps --- 20:46:44 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23093&preview=1&_ppp=1f7039ec29 20:46:57 <stickster> ZOMG SO MUCH +1!!!!!!!!! 20:47:12 <stickster> cverna++++++ 20:47:19 <stickster> asamalik: ^ check that out! 20:47:26 <cverna> This will be a big one to write but I guess interesting 20:47:41 * asamalik feels like stickster is OK with that pitch 20:47:44 <asamalik> I love it! 20:47:53 <stickster> #agreed cloud native app series approved 20:47:58 <stickster> that was easy 20:48:11 <stickster> go forth and conquer Clément! 20:48:14 <cverna> yeah now just need to write it 20:48:18 <cverna> :P 20:48:22 <stickster> haha, bad punctuation made that funny. 20:48:24 <asamalik> we could even mention Pagure as a git repo of choice in there :D 20:48:38 * stickster watches as Clément gets mugged 20:48:57 <cverna> :P 20:49:07 <stickster> #topic Publishing schedule 20:49:35 <cverna> asamalik: pagure does not have great support for openshift :( we should work on that when time allow 20:51:16 <asamalik> cverna: ah, never mind then :) 20:51:34 <stickster> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Nov 02, Machine learning (stickster) -- Mon Nov 05, CLI article (asamalik:write/stickster:edit+image) -- Tue Nov 06, 15 years (ryanlerch:image) -- Wed Nov 07 or Thu Nov 08, Selenium (cverna:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Fri Nov 09, TBD 20:51:46 <stickster> cverna: we certainly should. 20:51:53 <stickster> ^^ said with gravitas! 20:52:28 <asamalik> +1 schedule! 20:52:36 <asamalik> +1 openshift and pagure! 20:52:43 <stickster> indeed, +1 both here 20:52:46 <cverna> I talk with pingou, I think the best would be to have pagure use a similar webhook format as github that way we get a lot of free integration with over services 20:52:54 <cverna> +1 schedule 20:52:54 <stickster> YESSSSS 20:53:03 <stickster> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Nov 02, Machine learning (stickster) -- Mon Nov 05, CLI article (asamalik:write/stickster:edit+image) -- Tue Nov 06, 15 years (ryanlerch:image) -- Wed Nov 07 or Thu Nov 08, Selenium (cverna:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Fri Nov 09, TBD 20:53:03 <asamalik> cverna: that would be fantastic! 20:53:09 <asamalik> we could integrate it with Taiga also! 20:53:14 <stickster> #topic All other business (open floor) 20:53:20 <asamalik> just make it like it's github in its API :D 20:53:20 <stickster> Anything else to cover? 20:53:47 <cverna> asamalik: pingou was working on the taiga integration actually 20:53:59 <asamalik> stickster: I'll be running this meeting in a few weeks and I have a question about the stats — where do I get those? 20:54:19 <cverna> https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=jetpack#/dashboard 20:54:21 <stickster> Oh, good call asamalik. I go to Jetpack > Site stats in the web admin console of WP. You can choose Weeks 20:54:25 <asamalik> cverna: woot! 20:54:27 <asamalik> pingou++ 20:54:27 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for pingou changed to 1 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:54:27 <stickster> Yeah, that ^^^ :-) 20:54:33 <stickster> pingou++++++++ 20:54:38 <cverna> actually https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats 20:54:40 <stickster> darn it. pingou++ 20:54:41 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for pingou changed to 2 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:54:52 <cverna> pingou++ :) 20:54:52 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for pingou changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:55:00 <stickster> COOKIES FOR EVERYONE 20:55:02 <asamalik> stickster++ thanks! 20:55:02 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for pfrields changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:55:09 <stickster> asamalik: anything else I can tell you? 20:55:10 <asamalik> 🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪🍪 20:55:27 <stickster> well, we have a few weeks. and you know where to find me ;-) 20:55:40 <asamalik> stickster: that you're mailing me a real cookie and mean it? :P 20:55:47 <asamalik> anyway, I think I'm good 20:55:49 <stickster> who knows, I might bring some to Brno 20:55:53 <stickster> haha 20:56:08 <asamalik> stickster: I could try to run one meeting when you're here so I could have a backup 20:56:34 <stickster> asamalik: you're welcome to do so. Would you like to gavel next week? 20:56:45 <stickster> I'll still be here, I'll just be quieter :-D 20:56:48 <asamalik> stickster: what about next.... that 20:56:49 <stickster> maybe 20:56:54 <stickster> *jinx LOL 20:57:06 <stickster> #info asamalik will probably run next week's meeting for fun 20:57:17 <stickster> OK, anything else? 20:57:19 <asamalik> hahaha 20:57:35 * asamalik just runs meetings for fun 20:57:38 <cverna> nothing on my side 20:57:50 <stickster> Everyone have a good week. Hard to believe it's only 60% over. :-D See you next time! 20:57:53 <stickster> #endmeeting