21:00:18 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
21:00:18 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan  9 21:00:18 2019 UTC.
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21:00:22 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:23 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:27 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:28 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:33 <mattnix> .hello mattnix
21:00:34 <zodbot> mattnix: mattnix 'Matt Harwood' <matt@mattharwood.com>
21:00:37 <cverna> hello o/
21:00:43 <stickster> #chair mattnix cverna asamalik ryanlerch_
21:00:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna mattnix ryanlerch_ stickster
21:00:46 <mattnix> hi everyone o/
21:00:54 <stickster> Howdy mattnix and everyone o/
21:01:22 <asamalik> .hello2
21:01:23 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
21:01:52 <asamalik> hey everyone!
21:01:53 <mattnix> Happy New Year everyone :) apologies I wasn't here last week
21:02:45 <stickster> Not at all
21:02:52 <stickster> Lots of people were traveling or holidaying still
21:03:21 <mattnix> :)
21:03:22 <stickster> #info stickster has to leave on the hour to take dog to vet, will barrel along
21:03:31 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats and 2018 wrap-up
21:03:35 * cverna was not feeling well last week
21:03:38 <mattnix> oh no! hope doggy is ok
21:04:00 <stickster> hopefully -- she has a small deposit that might be a tumor, but it's likely benign, same type she had years ago
21:04:16 <mattnix> ah, fingers crossed for you both
21:04:33 <mattnix> sorry to hear that cverna - hope you're better!
21:04:41 <stickster> #info week of December 31: ~65.4K pageviews, respectable although a bit lower than some of our heavier December weeks
21:04:52 <cverna> mattnix: thanks yeah feel better now :)
21:04:57 <stickster> good to hear cverna!
21:05:03 <stickster> Here's the big news...
21:05:44 <stickster> #info CY 2018: 3.647M pageviews! That exceeds our goal of 3.5M for the year!
21:05:54 <cverna> \o/ congrats all
21:05:57 <asamalik> 🎇🎆🎇🎆
21:06:03 <mattnix> Woooo!
21:06:20 <stickster> #infor Comparison: CY2015 = 1.903M ; CY2016 = 2.394M ; CY2017 = 3.146M
21:06:22 <asamalik> 2018++
21:06:39 <mattnix> wow, that really puts it in perspective
21:06:51 <stickster> oops
21:06:56 <stickster> #info Comparison: CY2015 = 1.903M ; CY2016 = 2.394M ; CY2017 = 3.146M
21:07:27 <gregbartholomew> very impressive!
21:07:28 <stickster> #info Average pageviews/day: CY2015 = 5214 ; CY2016 = 6543 ; CY2017 = 8620 ; CY2018 = 9993
21:07:45 <cverna> 2019 4M ? :)
21:08:18 <stickster> I think 4M is a good and not too conservative goal
21:08:33 <stickster> #idea 4M pageviews = CY2019 goal? To discuss on list.
21:08:50 <stickster> Congratulations and thank you to all of you, and every contributor who helped get us there!
21:10:01 <mattnix> +1 on the 4M goal
21:10:23 <stickster> So I guess we should move on to review stuff!
21:11:18 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
21:11:23 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:11:45 <stickster> asamalik: was I supposed to hand gavel to you? I can't recall. I'm good to keep going if you want.
21:12:29 <stickster> #info --- HDYF 2019 ---
21:13:09 * stickster notices our "public preview" plugin isn't working with WP 5
21:13:43 <asamalik> stickster: both work, I can chair next time :)
21:14:01 <asamalik> yeah I had a few surprises there with WP 5, too
21:14:09 <stickster> I'm on a roll, asamalik  -- will keep going, and you can take the conn next time
21:14:17 <asamalik> the SEO plugin also doesn't work, right after I learned how to use it, damn! :D
21:14:24 <asamalik> stickster: deal!
21:14:42 <stickster> oof
21:14:57 <stickster> asamalik: SEO seems working again now
21:15:16 <stickster> Sorry, let me give a link for the article and get back to work here :-)
21:15:27 <asamalik> stickster: ah that's good news! it was on Sunday when editing the VAAPI article
21:15:31 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24376 -- you'll need to be logged in to see it.
21:16:27 <stickster> This is a "what are they doing/planning to do this year?" article by cprofitt. Looks like a good one to bring in for this Friday or next Monday if we have nothing else scheduled yet.
21:16:40 <cverna> +1
21:17:05 <asamalik> +1
21:17:29 <mattnix> +1 - I really like this article, but I can't figure out why :) useless comment I know, sorry!
21:17:52 <stickster> I think people focused articles are great to have. I should be able to edit this and schedule.
21:18:09 <stickster> #action stickster to edit, do image, and schedule HDYF:2019 article
21:18:42 <stickster> #info --- Classroom: L10N ---
21:18:45 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24231&preview=true
21:19:05 <asamalik> we have so many classrooms these days!
21:19:12 <stickster> Yeah, it's pretty cool!!!
21:19:26 <stickster> Although we might want to try lumping these together if there start to be so many that they overwhelm other content
21:19:36 <stickster> That's a great problem to have, though ;-)
21:20:09 <gregbartholomew> I would wonder if the date of the broadcast shouldn't be included in the title somehow???
21:20:41 <stickster> gregbartholomew: Part of our clever scheme to get people to open up the article
21:20:57 <asamalik> stickster: or schedule them in addition to the usual three articles a week? would that be to much?
21:21:04 <asamalik> hahahaha!
21:21:29 <stickster> asamalik: not at all
21:21:37 <gregbartholomew> That works, just saying, I think I've missed one or two that I might have gone to if I had realized the deadline was close.
21:21:44 <stickster> yeah, if we can have a steady stream that's so full... it would be amazing!
21:22:19 <cverna> we could ask the people organize to create a calendar in fedocal for them
21:22:22 <stickster> Also because they're held at a specific time, the link in the article lets us point people to the right time in their TZ
21:22:29 <cverna> and add the link in the article
21:22:56 <stickster> cverna: They do keep this on https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Classroom/F29
21:23:25 <cverna> and this https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/classroom/
21:23:28 <asamalik> could be even a different date in some timezones :)
21:23:33 <stickster> asamalik: yep
21:23:40 <cverna> so if you want to add reminders in your calendar you can use fedocal
21:23:44 <stickster> Anyway... I think this would be perfect for next Wednesday
21:23:54 <stickster> Does someone want to take edit duty? Image is already there of course
21:23:58 <asamalik> ha good call
21:24:01 <asamalik> +1
21:24:03 <asamalik> I'll take it
21:24:09 <stickster> right on!
21:24:24 <cverna> +1 too
21:24:27 <stickster> #action asamalik edit Classroom: L10N article and schedule for Wed 2019-01-16
21:24:38 <cverna> +1 for asamalik to edit :P
21:24:52 <asamalik> cverna: how kind of you :P
21:24:57 <stickster> ha
21:25:10 <cverna> asamalik: you are welcome :D
21:25:54 <stickster> Not sure if alrecigi is around here
21:26:25 <stickster> I see a leftover post from him, an earlier draft of the already-published Buildah classroom post. I'll trash that and let him know
21:26:55 <asamalik> yeah makes sense
21:28:01 <stickster> #action stickster trash additional buildah classroom article
21:28:14 <stickster> cverna: anything to report on the RESTful API article?
21:28:50 <cverna> I have started it and I think I can have ready for next week
21:29:09 <cverna> looking to publish maybe wednesday or friday
21:30:32 <stickster> cool cverna, we can decide ad-hoc on IRC when you're ready, or look at it for next week's meeting
21:30:42 <cverna> sure
21:31:18 <stickster> That's probably all for drafts. Next is pitches to review...
21:31:21 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
21:31:28 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
21:32:01 <cverna> so many pitches :)
21:32:08 <stickster> #info -- Netboot part 4 ---
21:32:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=23605&preview=true
21:32:41 <stickster> I think this one's been ready to go, just waiting for an image. I can do that and send it out this Friday.
21:33:07 <gregbartholomew> It is ready to be edited, yes.
21:34:13 <stickster> Cool, I'll take care of it then!
21:34:30 <stickster> #action stickster final edit, image, and schedule Netboot pt 4
21:35:50 <gregbartholomew> thanks stickster, btw, for catching so many of my typos in previous posts!
21:36:01 <stickster> no worries, thanks for the content!
21:36:08 <stickster> #info --- PPTP VPN setup ---
21:36:10 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24067&preview=true
21:36:49 <ryanlerch> hello?
21:36:56 <cverna> ryanlerch: o/
21:36:58 <stickster> Hi ryanlerch!
21:36:59 <mattnix> ryanlerch, hi!
21:37:01 <ryanlerch> hi!
21:37:17 <ryanlerch> have i been in this meeting at all?
21:37:22 <mattnix> can I say, and I'm so sorry if I am wrong here, but the links in this article seem a bit on the spammy side to me
21:37:28 <asamalik> ryanlerch: hey there!
21:37:46 * ryanlerch has been here the whole time, responding, and only just figured out i was quieted
21:37:56 <mattnix> ryanlerch, I haven't seen you type yet, netsplit? or wrong meds? ;)
21:38:08 <stickster> Hmm, mattnix, I was noticing the same thing. This looks less like a capability for Fedora and more like an advertisement for mypn.co
21:38:09 <asamalik> eh that sucks, I had one meeting like this, too!
21:38:21 <stickster> Oh no, sorry ryanlerch!
21:38:36 <mattnix> stickster, glad I am not alone. Do we know the contributor?
21:38:37 <ryanlerch> figured it out because i offered to do the netboot image
21:38:49 <ryanlerch> and stickster took it anyways :)
21:38:52 * asamalik whispers: well played everyone, he believes us it's IRC's fault!
21:38:53 <ryanlerch> anyhoo, here now1
21:39:12 <stickster> asamalik: lol
21:39:28 <cverna> asamalik: wink wink
21:39:32 <stickster> mattnix: I don't. I also note the use of "we" in the article at least once that seems to denote the author's affiliated with that vendor.
21:40:13 <stickster> It's a great idea for an article, but would be great to have a free-as-in-freedom service featured.
21:40:36 <mattnix> Agreed, if it wasn't orientated towards one (private) service, it would be great
21:41:04 <mattnix> Should we reach out to the author and see what's happening?
21:42:07 <stickster> Yes. mattnix, would you be open to do that?
21:42:36 <asamalik> yeah it's a nice article otherwise
21:42:45 <stickster> sorry, I was doing quick spot-research to find any drop-in solution. Turns out, there's not much in the way of free VPN service that doesn't come at some other price
21:43:10 <gregbartholomew> I think wireguard is the big thing for VPN right now.
21:43:14 <stickster> We could probably lightly edit the article to remove the specific service, but then you're probably telling people to set up a VPN that won't work.
21:43:23 <mattnix> I can contact them (tactfully!) no problem
21:43:27 <gregbartholomew> It was recently added to the kernel
21:44:04 <stickster> gregbartholomew: right, but it's not a protocol capability the author is writing about, but getting a user on an existing VPN.
21:44:35 <gregbartholomew> Oh, sorry.
21:44:42 <stickster> That's going to be specific by service, and this one is free as in beer, but it feels a little weird for the Magazine to be shilling for that specific vendor. :-\
21:45:19 <stickster> mattnix: One thing to suggest is slightly expanding the article for the user to set up their own VPN between locations
21:45:36 <ryanlerch> yeah, its a tough one, as each setup is going to be slightly different
21:45:40 <stickster> indeed
21:45:48 <mattnix> stickster, will do. Also noticed the title being stuffed with 'Linux Fedora' keywords
21:45:55 <stickster> ;-) yep
21:45:57 <ryanlerch> and doing a general VPN setup is not that useful, for the same reason
21:46:33 <stickster> *nod
21:47:30 <stickster> There are two other pitches here to look at
21:47:40 <stickster> #info --- Classroom: Badges design ---
21:47:42 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24226&preview=true
21:48:08 <asamalik> that's in a month
21:48:22 <stickster> This classroom isn't until 10 Feb, so we could set this up in advance to publish, say, Feb 4
21:48:28 <asamalik> +1
21:48:33 <stickster> asamalik: Do you want to handle that? These are pretty quick to deal with IIRC
21:48:44 <ryanlerch> i think i scheduled the other one for the 1st
21:48:51 <stickster> Ohhhh
21:48:56 <ryanlerch> maybe putting these two together?
21:49:02 <asamalik> stickster: sure!
21:49:08 <stickster> that might be too close, or we could separate them a bit further
21:49:19 <stickster> ryanlerch: when is the classroom date for the other one that's currently scheduled to post Feb 1?
21:49:30 <ryanlerch> the 7th, IIRC
21:49:54 <asamalik> we could probably make them a week apart
21:49:58 <asamalik> the proposals I mean :)
21:50:03 <ryanlerch> yeah, just confirmed the 7th
21:50:04 <asamalik> eh... posts
21:50:12 <asamalik> I can't even write anymore
21:50:18 <stickster> How about we post the first on Jan 30, and the second on Feb 6?
21:50:44 <stickster> Or if that's not enough notice for the second one (held on 10th) we do it Jan 28 and Feb 4?
21:50:45 <ryanlerch> stickster: sold to the man on the way to the vet
21:50:49 <stickster> ha
21:51:07 * ryanlerch is trying to prove he was in facthere eariler
21:51:10 <stickster> ha
21:51:38 <mattnix> ha nice try ryanlerch ! ;-)
21:51:38 <stickster> #proposed #action ryanlerch reschedule Feb 1 classroom post for Jan 28
21:51:43 <asamalik> +1 for 28 and 4
21:51:59 <stickster> #proposed #action asamalik edit Badge design article and schedule for Feb 04
21:52:14 <ryanlerch> +1
21:52:16 <cverna> +1
21:52:20 <mattnix> +1
21:52:23 <stickster> #action ryanlerch reschedule Feb 1 classroom post for Jan 28
21:52:25 <stickster> [3~ #action asamalik edit Badge design article and schedule for Feb 04
21:52:30 <stickster> darn it!
21:52:35 <stickster> #action asamalik edit Badge design article and schedule for Feb 04
21:52:45 <stickster> #info --- Netboot part 5 ---
21:53:02 <gregbartholomew> this would be the last of them, I promise!
21:53:11 <stickster> So this one turns out to be all about ZFS, gregbartholomew? Are we concerned at all about the licensing aspect here?
21:53:32 <gregbartholomew> I was wondering that.
21:53:54 <gregbartholomew> Is there a problem with my giving instructions on how to set it up?
21:54:09 <stickster> ZFS isn't in the upstream kernel -- does this article have people rebuilding a kernel to enable it?
21:54:41 <gregbartholomew> no, just installing a repo and dkms then builds the kernel module.
21:55:57 <stickster> I'm torn on this. It's been a great series but I wonder if we're starting to get over-persnickety or too esoteric by prescribing ZFS here
21:56:40 <stickster> Are there other, already supported methods to get some compression/mirroring gains?
21:57:15 <stickster> i.e. btrfs, xfs, or something else?
21:57:22 <gregbartholomew> Not that I'm familiar with. It's your call. :)
21:58:05 <gregbartholomew> squashfs does compressing, but it has problems in this senario.
21:59:37 <stickster> btrfs does zlib levels apparently, or you can do lzo if you need the I/O to be faster
21:59:43 <gregbartholomew> it looks like btrfs does compression, but i've personally stayed away from it because i had some trouble with it in its early days.
21:59:57 * stickster has no opinion on "is it good enough"
22:00:10 <stickster> I think I'd probably shy away from ZFS because it means you taint your Fedora kernel.
22:00:21 <gregbartholomew> I suspect it would be good enough, but i don't know until I've tried it.
22:00:29 * asamalik is not a filesystem expert :(
22:00:34 <gregbartholomew> Ok, that works for me. :)
22:00:37 <stickster> gregbartholomew: if you want some time to investigate, we can come back to this later
22:00:46 <asamalik> so leave this for the list?
22:01:05 <stickster> asamalik: yeah, Greg is great at talking to us there so we'll come back to it
22:01:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: Can you take gavel and wrap up with publishing schedule?
22:01:35 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure!
22:01:49 <stickster> I should have Fri/Mon covered with Netboot pt4 and HDYF:2019
22:02:00 * stickster has to run, I'm so sorry for jetting folks
22:02:11 <ryanlerch> oh, lost backlog
22:02:11 <mattnix> stickster, good luck, hope it goes ok!
22:02:18 <asamalik> stickster: good luck!
22:02:26 <ryanlerch> asamalik: did we have something lined up for wednesday?
22:02:38 <stickster> It was a Classroom, right?
22:02:42 <stickster> OK, really leaving!
22:02:47 <asamalik> ryanlerch: yes, Classroom: L10N
22:02:55 <asamalik> and I'm editing it
22:03:09 <asamalik> stickster: go already! :D
22:03:30 <asamalik> we'll figure it out
22:03:44 * asamalik even has the backlog
22:04:52 <ryanlerch> #proposed SHEDULE: Friday 11th Jan: Netboot pt4 (edit/image: stickster), Monday 14th Jan HDYF 2019 (edit/image: stickster), Wednesday 16th Jan L10n classroom
22:05:42 <asamalik> +1
22:05:47 <ryanlerch> asamalik: cverna mattnix ^
22:05:53 <ryanlerch> gregbartholomew: ^
22:05:59 <cverna> +1
22:06:46 <gregbartholomew> ryanlerch: what does the carrot mean?
22:07:10 <ryanlerch> #approved SHEDULE: Friday 11th Jan: Netboot pt4 (edit/image: stickster), Monday 14th Jan HDYF 2019 (edit/image: stickster), Wednesday 16th Jan L10n classroom
22:07:11 <gregbartholomew> I'm on the list? What's the list?
22:07:12 <mattnix> +1
22:07:37 <ryanlerch> gregbartholomew: just and up arrow to look up
22:07:38 <gregbartholomew> Ah, I think you want me to vote?
22:07:47 <ryanlerch> just to ping people after the fact
22:07:54 <ryanlerch> gregbartholomew: :D
22:08:10 <gregbartholomew> haha :)
22:08:19 <ryanlerch> okies, i think that is done!
22:08:27 <ryanlerch> #topic open floor
22:08:41 <ryanlerch> okies, should we wrap this up?
22:08:46 <ryanlerch> 5
22:08:49 <ryanlerch> 4
22:08:53 <ryanlerch> 3
22:08:53 <cverna> 3
22:08:56 <ryanlerch> 2
22:08:58 <ryanlerch> 1
22:08:59 <cverna> 1
22:09:00 <ryanlerch> 0
22:09:03 <cverna> :P
22:09:03 <ryanlerch> #endmeeting
22:09:10 <ryanlerch> oh, i dont have chair
22:09:11 <mattnix> :P
22:09:11 <cverna> thanks all :)
22:09:16 <mattnix> Thanks everyone!
22:09:19 <ryanlerch> asamalik: can you do the honors>
22:09:24 <cverna> #endmeeting