21:00:02 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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21:00:03 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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21:00:06 <stickster> #topic Roll call
21:00:09 <stickster> .hello pfrields
21:00:10 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
21:00:13 <stickster> #chair asamalik cverna ryanlerch
21:00:13 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
21:00:23 <stickster> Howdy everyone! o/
21:00:24 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
21:00:25 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
21:00:30 <cverna> hello o/
21:00:31 <ryanlerch> morning all!
21:00:53 <asamalik> .hello2
21:00:54 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
21:01:03 <asamalik> happy Wednesday and Thursday!
21:01:56 * stickster hands asamalik the gavel
21:02:26 * asamalik 's computer decided to log him out of everything for his convenience
21:02:33 <stickster> nice
21:03:01 <stickster> I'll hit stats while you get things back in order... we have a lot of pitches and drafts that seem to have come in recently!
21:03:08 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
21:03:24 <asamalik> stickster++
21:03:41 <stickster> #info Week of Feb 4-10: about 75.9K pageviews -- a little down from previous week but still quite a bit more than usual!
21:04:10 <asamalik> nice!
21:04:21 <stickster> One of our standout days was the logo redesign article on Feb 8
21:04:29 * asamalik convinced his computer to compute
21:04:30 <cverna> I wonder if the jump in the page views comes from that big social network company that deployed fedora at scale
21:04:31 <stickster> sorry, 7th.
21:05:13 <stickster> Anyway, on track for a good February :-)
21:05:18 * stickster hands gavel back to asamalik
21:05:41 <asamalik> #topic Pending review posts
21:05:46 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
21:05:50 <ryanlerch> nice! sorry for the schedule change there
21:05:56 <ryanlerch> with the logo post
21:06:24 <cverna> ryanlerch++ for logo post :)
21:06:28 <ryanlerch> mattdm requested that post to get the logo redesign infront of as many people as possible
21:06:41 <asamalik> ryanlerch: I liked the post!
21:07:03 <stickster> yeah, it's good to have the foreknowledge out there. I wish there weren't so many jerks + mean people out there who attacked mizmo about it
21:07:33 <asamalik> yeah that was terrible :/
21:07:55 <cverna> people don't like change and they all feel that they are expert designer for some reason
21:08:06 <asamalik> #info --- How to watch for releases of upstream projects ---
21:08:10 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24718&preview=true
21:08:29 <stickster> cverna++ so true. but we can at least help by supporting mizmo, she's doing an awesome job
21:08:51 <cverna> mizmo++
21:08:51 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for duffy changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:08:55 <cverna> :)
21:08:59 <ryanlerch> mizmo++
21:08:59 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for duffy changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:09:00 <asamalik> mizmo++
21:09:02 <asamalik> :)
21:09:02 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for duffy changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:09:09 <cverna> \o/ cookies
21:09:18 <stickster> asamalik: I can volunteer to review this one and get it published! I have been missing and feel guilty
21:09:24 <stickster> mizmo++
21:09:24 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for duffy changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:09:45 * sdgathman was going to pitch "Decentralize Electronic Business Documents with openas2" - but now have to rescue orphaned packages so openas2 doesn't disappear...
21:09:49 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY!!! 🍪 🍪 🍪
21:10:19 <asamalik> stickster++ again! can we get weekly cookies?!
21:10:36 <stickster> #action stickster review release-monitoring.org article and set up for publishing
21:10:37 <asamalik> #action stickster to edit and publish How to watch for releases of upstream projects
21:10:41 <stickster> oops!
21:10:43 <ryanlerch> weeklycookies++
21:10:44 <asamalik> ha!
21:10:48 <stickster> *jinx
21:10:52 <asamalik> doubleaction++
21:11:04 <stickster> asamalik: you can do the #undo :-D
21:11:13 <asamalik> lol
21:11:15 <asamalik> #undo
21:11:15 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by asamalik at 21:10:37 : stickster to edit and publish How to watch for releases of upstream projects
21:11:33 <asamalik> #info --- Flatpaking your Gnome Builder ---
21:11:38 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24755&preview=true
21:12:16 <cverna> This is one needs a bit of editing, I think the tone is not really Magazine friendly
21:12:53 <ryanlerch> this is a first-time author that came from the comments, right?
21:13:05 <stickster> cverna: +1, it's a good article. But at times it seems like it's not sure of itself
21:13:13 <stickster> like, the article is surprised that things worked
21:13:32 <stickster> whereas we like articles to feel authoritative and confident
21:13:33 <cverna> ryanlerch: yes
21:14:08 <cverna> the screenshots are a bit small too, at least on my laptop screen
21:14:17 <stickster> Here too
21:15:11 <asamalik> I feel like the screenshots are not necessary there
21:15:22 <asamalik> I like the article, though, even it could use some editing
21:15:55 * asamalik can edit!
21:16:29 <stickster> asamalik: go for it
21:17:12 <cverna> asamalik++
21:17:14 <asamalik> wait, I was looking at the previous one the whole time... :/ omg
21:17:19 <stickster> ha
21:17:38 <stickster> asamalik: are you still good to do this article?
21:17:42 <stickster> the flatpak one
21:18:27 <asamalik> sure, I have no experience with Builder, might learn something new
21:18:46 <asamalik> #action asamalik to edit the Flatpaking your Gnome Builder
21:18:48 * stickster will probably try this too :-D
21:19:14 <asamalik> #info --- Python 3.8 alpha in Fedora ---
21:19:19 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25128&preview=true
21:19:33 <stickster> This should be a *really* fast edit for someone
21:20:01 <asamalik> I can also do that
21:20:14 <asamalik> if no one else wants a quick win :P
21:20:34 <ryanlerch> if we are loaded with posts, this can be a quick newsy post too for ASAP release
21:21:12 * cverna can't really commit to anything this week
21:21:24 <asamalik> #action asamalik to edit Python 3.8 alpha in Fedora
21:21:29 <cverna> I have family visiting next week so my evening will be busy :)
21:21:42 <stickster> cverna: no worries, we seem to have a lot in the queue
21:21:43 * asamalik realized we're not assigning people to do images *looks at ryanlerch*
21:21:55 <stickster> asamalik: I can help with those too :-)
21:22:19 <ryanlerch> asamalik: assign them all to me!
21:22:22 * stickster will do the one for his release-monitoring one
21:22:46 <asamalik> #action stickster to make an image for How to watch for releases of upstream projects
21:23:02 <asamalik> #action ryanlerch to make an image for Flatpaking your Gnome Builder
21:23:03 <stickster> at some point Ryan or I could give a quick online tutorial about these
21:23:22 <stickster> His are *way* better than mine obviously, but I've stolen lots of good ideas from him
21:23:22 <ryanlerch> stickster: for sure
21:23:37 <asamalik> #action ryanlerch to make an image for Python 3.8 alpha in Fedora
21:23:50 <stickster> #idea stickster and ryanlerch to do some online tutorial/demo about images
21:23:59 <cverna> quick how to make image tutorial sounds good
21:24:06 <asamalik> idea++
21:24:06 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for idea changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:24:15 <cverna> idea++
21:24:15 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for idea changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:24:19 <stickster> I'm living proof that you don't have to be a superb artist :-D
21:24:31 * cverna love these random cookies to fas account :)
21:24:38 <stickster> hahahaha
21:24:38 <asamalik> lol
21:24:46 <asamalik> #info --- How to setup two-factor authentication for SSH on Fedora ---
21:24:51 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25138&preview=true
21:25:03 <stickster> I *LOVE* this article idea, posted to list about it too
21:25:06 <asamalik> we have too many articles! :D
21:25:17 <asamalik> yes!
21:25:24 <stickster> it's basically ready to go with some minor tweaks. I can even do the edit on this one too
21:25:56 <asamalik> and I'll do an image :D
21:26:46 <asamalik> #action stickster to edit + image the How to setup two-factor authentication for SSH on Fedora
21:26:52 <asamalik> #undo
21:26:52 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by asamalik at 21:26:46 : stickster to edit + image the How to setup two-factor authentication for SSH on Fedora
21:27:02 <asamalik> #action stickster to edit the How to setup two-factor authentication for SSH on Fedora
21:27:11 <ryanlerch> i can do the image for this one
21:27:32 <asamalik> ryanlerch: ha ok!
21:27:35 <stickster> aha, you scamp ryanlerch!
21:27:41 <asamalik> #action ryanlerch to make an image for the How to setup two-factor authentication for SSH on Fedora
21:27:49 <sdgathman> Is there any way for wretches like me to look at the previews?
21:27:54 <asamalik> that's all pending review
21:28:05 <stickster> sdgathman: yes, if you log in to the Wordpress instance I believe you can
21:28:13 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin
21:28:29 <asamalik> #topic Drafts to review
21:28:34 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
21:29:14 <asamalik> #info --- Using the NetworkManager’s DNSMasq plugin ---
21:29:17 <stickster> Holy crap, another bunch of good stuff
21:29:21 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25167&preview=true
21:29:30 <stickster> This one looks like a pitch
21:29:44 <asamalik> there's a link to the author's personal blog with the article
21:29:53 <stickster> Oh I see, it's someone's already written blog article. The link is here: http://blog.deadvax.net/2019/01/08/network-manager-and-dnsmasq-plug-in/
21:30:09 <asamalik> how do we handle reposts?
21:31:35 <stickster> we haven't been strongly for reprinting content from other places in the past... but this is not very old, and is a good piece of work
21:31:35 <cverna> I think we just mentioned were was originally posted
21:32:02 <stickster> obviously we don't want plagiarized content, but this person is the original author
21:32:03 * cverna remember a blog post from Patrick we did repost
21:32:27 <stickster> I feel like good quality stuff is a candidate. As long as it's not there to push linkback traffic to other blogs.
21:32:45 <stickster> just my $.02, I yield to the distinguished gentlepeople
21:32:59 <cverna> +1 to what stickster said
21:33:12 <stickster> besides, we would end up making some style changes anyway
21:33:19 <stickster> so it's not full of "I"
21:33:29 <stickster> (for example)
21:33:40 <stickster> I can be +1 on this
21:33:49 * asamalik agrees with stickster
21:34:32 <asamalik> +1 and next time recommend to write original content?
21:35:03 <stickster> yeah, we could gently say "we usually don't reprint, but in this case it's really good. we'd love some additional original work from you"
21:35:09 <asamalik> I mean: "recommend to to the author to write original content for the Magazine next time"
21:35:20 <asamalik> sounds good!
21:35:29 <stickster> ryanlerch: cverna: sound reasonable to yoU?
21:35:34 <ryanlerch> +1 from me!
21:35:42 <cverna> +1
21:36:21 <asamalik> BTW we already have 4 articles for publishing.. do we just wanna keep assigning more and more?
21:36:38 <asamalik> it's a nice problem to have :)
21:37:05 <stickster> asamalik: good question. it's not bad to have things ready in advance... at the same time we can always swap something important next week if needed
21:37:35 <ryanlerch> assing and not schedule?
21:37:43 <ryanlerch> sounds like a plan to me!
21:37:58 <stickster> not sure what you just asked ryanlerch :-D
21:38:06 <asamalik> lol
21:38:07 <stickster> oh, assign
21:38:08 <stickster> sorry
21:38:12 <cverna> assign*
21:38:19 <ryanlerch> lol, sorry!
21:38:21 <stickster> I'm slow and have an evil brain
21:38:25 <stickster> bad combination
21:38:41 <cverna> it took me a second too :P
21:38:43 <ryanlerch> laggy IRC and a new keyabord is a bad combination
21:38:51 * stickster willing to take on more editing in advance. I just lost my Saturday gig
21:38:53 <asamalik> I can edit this one as well!
21:38:57 <ryanlerch> getting used to these switches
21:39:20 <stickster> my lag is bad too, you only realize then how many mistakes you make in typing and need to correct as you go
21:39:32 <stickster> asamalik++
21:39:51 <asamalik> cookie options
21:40:01 <ryanlerch> asamalik++
21:40:10 <asamalik> #action asamalik to edit Using the NetworkManager’s DNSMasq plugin
21:40:51 <asamalik> #action asamalik to do an image for Using the NetworkManager’s DNSMasq plugin
21:41:07 * stickster volunteers to edit the live CD netboot article
21:41:10 <stickster> it's really a done draft
21:41:10 <sdgathman> We need an article on running your own recursive resolver for DNS.  It's the only one that can be trusted.
21:41:53 <stickster> I'm not sure whether we want to model "only trust running your own infrastructure" as our go-to position.
21:42:13 <asamalik> #info --- C# Fundamentals: Data Types and Variables ---
21:42:16 <stickster> Very few people have the time to maintain that way. Heck, we have our own problems in a paid team doing that ;-)
21:42:29 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25106&preview=true
21:42:59 <asamalik> stickster: you're skipping the queue! :D but I'll assign you to that one
21:43:04 <stickster> asamalik: hee hee
21:43:36 <stickster> asamalik: I responded on list about this second C# article as well... the author did a first one back in December IIRC. It's good to have him back to do another
21:44:19 * stickster is +1
21:44:21 <asamalik> +1
21:44:23 <asamalik> but it looks like they need more time to finish, so there is no action on this one, right?
21:44:31 <cverna> +1 too
21:44:34 <ryanlerch> +1
21:44:34 <stickster> yeah, just for us to say "approved, go for it"
21:45:08 <asamalik> #info C# Fundamentals: Data Types and Variables is approved!
21:45:17 <stickster> \o/
21:45:24 <asamalik> #info --- Netboot a Live CD ---
21:45:29 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24831&preview=true
21:45:38 <asamalik> #action stickster will edit the Netboot a Live CD
21:45:52 <stickster> #action stickster email C# author to pass on approval and invite them to finish draft
21:45:53 <asamalik> that was quick
21:45:59 <stickster> disco!
21:46:48 <asamalik> only if we had a good artist who could make a nice image for this one... wait! :P
21:47:12 <cverna> lol
21:47:20 <stickster> I'll take this one
21:47:20 <ryanlerch> stickster: i think he is talking about you!
21:47:28 <stickster> s/goog//
21:47:31 <stickster> er, s/good//
21:47:57 <stickster> s/good/wannabe/   ;-D
21:48:03 <asamalik> #action stickster to do an image for the Netboot a Live CD
21:48:11 <stickster> 🤘
21:48:40 <asamalik> cool!
21:48:53 <asamalik> do we wanna keep going, or do the publishing schedule now?
21:49:15 <cverna> we have 10 min left so schedule +1
21:50:05 <stickster> asamalik: cverna: ryanlerch: there's one new pitch in that queue from jwf
21:50:22 <cverna> ha so last one then :)
21:50:26 <stickster> #info --- 2 cool new apps for music tweakers ---
21:50:34 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=24896&preview=true
21:50:57 <stickster> seems like a perfectly cromulent pitch to me, +1
21:51:00 <cverna> +1
21:51:08 <ryanlerch> +1
21:51:08 <asamalik> +1
21:51:14 <ryanlerch> cromulent++
21:51:27 <stickster> #agreed pitch approved for 2 music tweaking apps
21:51:40 <stickster> #action stickster email jwf about approval and invite draft
21:51:44 <ryanlerch> jwf++
21:51:44 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for jflory7 changed to 10 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:51:50 <stickster> ok, go for it for schedule asamalik
21:52:14 * cverna goes to search for cromulent's definition
21:53:02 <ryanlerch> cverna: i think it has to do with eating crumpets during lent
21:53:11 <asamalik> #topic Publishing schedule
21:53:14 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Feb 15, How to watch for releases of upstream projects (stickster:edit/stickster:image) -- Mon Feb 18, Flatpaking your Gnome Builder (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Wed Feb 20, Python 3.8 alpha in Fedora (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image)
21:53:25 <stickster> cverna: it's a joke word, I'll find you the refernce from The Simpsons
21:53:26 <asamalik> or do we wanna do the Python as an extra?
21:53:29 <cverna> haha comes from the simpsons :)
21:53:49 <stickster> cverna: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lisa_the_Iconoclast
21:54:14 <cverna> we could do the Python as an extra
21:55:15 <stickster> asamalik: I may regret this, but we have so much... any chance to push that on Friday?
21:55:15 <asamalik> maybe tomorrow so people can play with it over the weekend?
21:55:24 <stickster> asamalik: I'll get the upstream thing ready for tomorrow
21:55:43 <stickster> asamalik: Or vice versa. The python article is shorter and would be good to do as an extra tomorrow
21:56:01 <stickster> i.e. fast edit, and maybe Ryan could whip up its image now-ish
21:56:10 <cverna> +1 for Python tomorrow(ie today for ryanlerch)
21:56:12 <stickster> I'll have mine ready for Friday no problem
21:56:21 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Thu Feb 14, Python 3.8 alpha in Fedora (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Fri Feb 15, How to watch for releases of upstream projects (stickster:edit/stickster:image) -- Mon Feb 18, Flatpaking your Gnome Builder (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Wed Feb 20, How to setup two-factor authentication for SSH on Fedora (stickster:edit/stickster:image)
21:56:36 <cverna> +1
21:56:38 <stickster> +1 on revised schedule! And I'll have both those ready and more
21:56:44 <ryanlerch> okies, asamalik you intend to edit in your morning?
21:56:53 <asamalik> I'll just do it now!
21:56:54 <ryanlerch> i can get the image done today
21:57:00 <stickster> you're a champ asamalik
21:57:15 <ryanlerch> okay, ping me when you are done, and i will add the image and publish
21:57:17 * asamalik is +1 to the revised schedule
21:57:25 <stickster> BOOM shakalaka
21:57:28 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Thu Feb 14, Python 3.8 alpha in Fedora (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Fri Feb 15, How to watch for releases of upstream projects (stickster:edit/stickster:image) -- Mon Feb 18, Flatpaking your Gnome Builder (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Wed Feb 20, How to setup two-factor authentication for SSH on Fedora (stickster:edit/stickster:image)
21:57:31 <stickster> \o/
21:57:40 <asamalik> \o/
21:57:48 <asamalik> ryanlerch: will do!
21:57:50 * stickster will probably work ahead so we have choices for next Friday and beyond
21:57:56 <asamalik> #topic All other business (open floor)
21:58:16 <stickster> one AOB from me... Thanks for holding down the fort while I was traveling again
22:00:08 <ryanlerch> stickster: \o/
22:00:23 <stickster> <eof/>
22:00:33 <ryanlerch> no AOB from me
22:00:49 * cverna is half asleep already :P
22:00:53 <asamalik> sorry for missing the last meeting and thanks for assigning me something!
22:01:03 * asamalik was fully asleep last week
22:01:26 <cverna> asamalik: :D
22:01:41 <stickster> ha
22:01:53 <asamalik> if I ever miss it again without sending an apology in advance just assign me stuff! :D
22:01:57 <asamalik> all right!
22:02:11 <asamalik> I guess we're good to go to bed / other meetings / dinner / breakfasts etc?
22:02:15 <stickster> yup
22:02:16 * stickster has been staring at screen for the last 10 hours and is ready for a break
22:02:19 <asamalik> #endmeeting