20:00:16 #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 20:00:16 Meeting started Wed May 1 20:00:16 2019 UTC. 20:00:16 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 20:00:16 The chair is stickster. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 20:00:16 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 20:00:16 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 20:00:21 #meetingname magazine 20:00:21 The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 20:00:26 #topic Roll call 20:00:31 .hello pfrields 20:00:32 stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' 20:00:44 wheee! 20:01:19 #chair asamalik cverna ryanlerch sdgathman jakfrost gregbartholomew 20:01:19 Current chairs: asamalik cverna gregbartholomew jakfrost ryanlerch sdgathman stickster 20:02:04 #info HAPPY F30! 🎈 🎉 🎆 🎂 20:03:23 Oh no, am I alone? 20:03:26 no 20:03:32 yay! 20:04:08 Well.. is it just us? 20:04:21 All I have is a pending article from my next openas2 release. 20:04:24 😢 20:05:17 Not about the article, about it being just us 20:05:39 .hello glb 20:05:40 gregbartholomew: glb 'Gregory Lee Bartholomew' 20:05:55 Good call on the personal accounting apps article. 20:06:03 hurrah, another joiner! 20:06:10 I wish it had more feature comparisons, however. 20:06:19 o/ 20:06:50 Yeah, I tried at first, and it turned out to be difficult because they weren't direct competitors feature to feature. 20:07:11 I mean which to chose. Do you need double entry accounting? 20:07:22 They use different accounting methods and even the user audience is different (meaning... some haven't decided) :-D 20:07:23 What are the import/export formats? 20:07:47 *nod 20:08:07 Sounds like I stick with gnucash, however. 20:08:25 :-) 20:08:29 #topic Last week's stats 20:08:59 #info Week of April 22: ~61.2K pageviews, up considerably from the previous, weaker week. 20:09:12 This week is already blowing the doors off, of course :-)D 20:09:38 Reminder -- help us spread on social media by liking, sharing, RT, and whatnot 20:10:05 You might find it tedious or silly, but it actually puts things on more people's view/timeline when otherwise they'd not see it thanks to algorithm games 20:10:33 You can find source posts at https://twitter.com/fedora for example 20:10:43 * gregbartholomew greg isn't a big social media user 20:10:48 * stickster neither these days 20:11:26 I remembered why this morning in a grumbly exchange with a random person who was being rude 20:11:50 But... it's an easy way to help/contribute :-) 20:12:13 #info Remember to share/RT/like/etc. to help us spread the word (works for *any* article!) 20:12:52 Some people believe paying for a product entitles them to be rude to support persons. 20:13:12 And that spills over to community support. 20:13:21 yeah, but even that, specious as it is, falls flat for something you're *not* paying for 20:13:35 like, they're wrong already, now even more so 20:14:28 So let's do this. So few people here, no reason to be formal. Two things to do: (1) round up on articles and publishing; (2) talk about new meeting time 20:14:33 Sound OK? 20:14:36 sure 20:14:43 #topic Articles and publishing 20:14:47 OK 20:14:55 gregbartholomew: Are we still pending on that software RAID article or is it out now? 20:14:59 * stickster looks back at feed 20:15:07 pending 20:15:18 So we could push that on Friday 20:15:23 I read an article on mdadm. 20:15:24 (has it been reviewed?) 20:15:26 I'd like to view it to test it against the fedora 30 20:15:31 gregbartholomew: good idea 20:15:58 last I tried, the site wouldn't allow me to view my article though :( 20:16:18 "Managing RAID arrays with mdadm" 20:16:46 Hm o_O 20:16:47 Is the new article a followup 20:16:48 ? 20:16:48 sdgathman: that was just the "primer" :) 20:18:09 Aha! 20:18:20 #info Softare RAID article is already scheduled to go out Fri 2019-May-03 20:18:23 yay! 20:19:17 There's a cool article on SELinux that lvrabec did for us to review as well 20:19:30 Yeah, but like I said, it was written *weeks* ago -- long before Fedora 30 was out, so I can't say for absolutely sure that it will work with the latest version. 20:19:47 It likely is fine though. 20:20:23 SELinux is one of those things that I wish I had better luck getting along with. 20:20:26 gregbartholomew: feel free to give it a whirl and if it needs edits, ping me with the list and I'll put them in for you 20:21:01 * stickster can edit the SELinux article for Monday, no problem 20:21:06 That's what I'm trying to tell you, I *can't* "give it a whirl". 20:21:19 I cannot view it. 20:21:22 ohhhh 20:21:31 hang on -- are you logged in to the Magazine? 20:21:35 yes 20:22:16 gregbartholomew: Does this work? https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=25485&preview=1&_ppp=f21a53dd07 20:22:32 Yes!!! 20:22:54 OK, I'll bookmark that and I'll let you know if anything needs changing (unlikely). 20:24:21 gregbartholomew: That link might give out tomorrow, but see also if this works: 20:24:25 https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/post.php?post=25485&action=edit 20:24:47 "Sorry, you are not allowed to edit this item." 20:25:05 gregbartholomew: *nod -- try one more time now 20:25:56 It says that you are working on it, but otherwise, it looks like that works now. 20:26:10 I can probably get the testing done by the end of today. 20:26:32 gregbartholomew: feel free to steal edit from me. I think I closed it now anyway 20:26:32 I'll send you an email with the results. 20:26:40 cool! 20:26:50 OK, we have Friday and Monday handled. 20:28:28 I'm thinking about tagging ryanlerch to do a quick article for Wednesday -- or perhaps we could do a roundup of recent reviews of Fedora 30, which have been overall very positive 20:28:39 Any other ideas? 20:29:08 * stickster trying to fill up Wed + Fri so we're "safe" until next meeting 20:29:22 I think my follow-up on "checking storage performance with dd" is ready for review. 20:29:47 That would be the last part to the raid series. 20:31:06 Yeah -- we could do that next Friday I bet 20:31:30 I'd love to get some help editing since I'm running out of free cycles with Monday article + possibility I'll have to fill in Wed 20:32:06 Not sure that I'm talented enough to be an editor. 20:32:09 I have the openas2 article - I plan to write it while testing 20:32:27 I have the 2 VMs fired up for testing 20:32:48 👍 20:32:56 When do you need it by for next Wed ? 20:33:35 sdgathman: I was thinking that might be a good target for Monday May 13 20:33:46 ok 20:34:02 publishing then, I mean... so if it was edit-ready a week from today? Sound do-able? 20:35:21 yes 20:35:59 The modularity mess for java packages is delayed until f31 at least. 20:36:27 We need more articles on modularity aimed at packagers. Or does the magazine not target devs? 20:38:43 We could use some more modularity articles -- that's true 20:38:53 Heh heh, I see I'm not the only one who drops that "r" on "your" from time-to-time. 20:38:59 * stickster clears throat for langdon and asamalik :-D 20:39:36 but summit 20:39:40 stickster: who needs to be notified about a spelling error in the image for the software raid article? 20:39:44 langdon: "after summit" :-D 20:40:37 gregbartholomew: I have no idea who made it 20:40:49 modularity has traditionally, mostly, hit commblog... but we definitely have done some in magazine 20:40:50 Ah, cverna 20:41:14 It probably depends on the topic, tbh 20:41:15 I'll try to find his email and let him know that it need correcting. 20:41:21 gregbartholomew: thanks! 20:41:24 im down for writing "something" on modularity "after-summit" (an official part of the red hat calendar now) 20:41:38 gregbartholomew: let me know tomorrow if you don't hear from him and I'll whip a new one up 20:41:45 langdon++ 20:41:46 stickster: Karma for langdon changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 20:41:50 stickster: will do 20:41:59 So here's where we are on publishing... 20:42:10 would love ideas.. being so close to it.. makes it hard to see what would be useful 20:43:13 langdon: what is "it"? summit? modularity? 20:43:13 Fri May 3: RAID (ready) -- Mon May 6: SELinux (edit/image: stickster) -- Wed May 8: Review roundup for F30 (TBA, maybe ryanlerch) -- Fri May 10: dd (edit/image: TBA, maybe stickster) -- Mon May 13: openas2 (edit/image: TBA) 20:43:29 If I can find one more thing for Wed May 15 that I can assign to asamalik, I'll do it ;-D 20:43:45 sdgathman: modularity but maybe both ;-D 20:44:22 Anyone have a problem with above schedule:? 20:44:36 It looks good to me. :) 20:44:43 #topic Publishing schedule 20:44:49 sdgathman: sorry.. modularity magazine article 20:44:53 #agreed Fri May 3: RAID (ready) -- Mon May 6: SELinux (edit/image: stickster) -- Wed May 8: Review roundup for F30 (TBA, maybe ryanlerch) -- Fri May 10: dd (edit/image: TBA, maybe stickster) -- Mon May 13: openas2 (edit/image: TBA) 20:44:57 #topic Next meeting time 20:45:42 langdon: my confusion as a packager has been what my response should be to having all the dependencies of openas2 moved to modules. 20:46:12 sdgathman: ok.. and you think that would be good for magazine? or for commblog? (/me feels like the latter) 20:46:15 OK, looks like everyone who weighed in on the list said they could do a Wednesday 8:00am US-Eastern time. So we'll try to do that next week. Even though I'm working at Summit along with asamalik, my volunteer shift doesn't start until 10. So feasibly I can make a meeting and still get to the convention center on time 20:46:24 Dunno. 20:46:53 sdgathman: Where have you looked so far (so we know if there's a doc route that doesn't work)? 20:46:54 Sounds good to me. 20:47:19 sdgathman: well.. writing the content is independent.. then i can ship it to the editors and they can decide where to publish :) 20:48:10 Oh hey, I found there's an Ask Fedora article awaiting review. This is good for Magazine because readers there are a lot more likely to be general users and not inner-circle community members who are looking for help on something 20:48:42 I've looked on docs.fedoraproject.org in all the topics. 20:48:43 So be aware... we might insert that at some point in the schedule and push something else back, like perhaps slot it May 8, and move the review roundup to May 15 20:49:06 sdgathman: including https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/modularity/ ? 20:49:09 yes 20:49:09 It's all good with me. 20:49:12 *nod 20:49:19 Cool gregbartholomew 20:49:46 #info Might slot Ask Fedora on Wed May 8 and move review roundup to May 15 (which gives us extra material to round up anyway, so yay for htat) 20:49:49 #undo 20:49:49 Removing item from minutes: INFO by stickster at 20:49:46 : Might slot Ask Fedora on Wed May 8 and move review roundup to May 15 (which gives us extra material to round up anyway, so yay for htat) 20:49:52 #info Might slot Ask Fedora on Wed May 8 and move review roundup to May 15 (which gives us extra material to round up anyway, so yay for that) 20:50:03 #topic Open floor / all other busines 20:50:08 sigh 20:50:10 #undo 20:50:10 Removing item from minutes: 20:50:14 #topic Open floor / all other business 20:50:28 Hands say, you're done typing for today buddy 20:50:57 langdon: my case is an "ursine" package with all dependencies moved to modules. It will eventually be handled by builders being able to import modules - so *maybe* I don't need to do anything... 20:51:30 Eyes say, time for a nap buddy 20:51:31 sdgathman: Sounds like you have the exact problem that is still in midst of solution -- there is some code done, and IIUC one more piece needed in koji to make everything work right 20:51:44 sdgathman: right.. this is the "missing ursa major" problem... you can't have rpms dep on modules.. would it be super hard for you to make your packages modules? 20:51:45 langdon: ^ correct? ( 20:51:48 yeah 20:52:19 Wouldn't OpenAS2 be more useful that way (or at least, not less useful)? 20:52:29 langdon: I don't know which module to move it to, or how to make a module from scratch 20:52:35 sdgathman: "bare rpm" -> bear rpm -> ursine rpm (btw, if you didn't know the origin :) ) 20:52:42 sdgathman: Making a module from scratch, though, *is* covered in those docs 20:53:00 sdgathman: ah ha.. have you loked at fedmod? (or the docs stickester just said)? 20:53:02 Making a regular RPM that depends on modules isn't yet, since it doesn't work 20:53:30 (Well, it theoretically/practically works, but just not in any service that people can call/use, thus might as well not work) 20:53:43 ^ which, yes, is uggh. 20:54:05 I have no idea what to put in the yaml file 20:54:27 And all the dependencies I need to code there are in other random modules. 20:54:49 sdgathman: you can just dep on another module from yours 20:54:57 then rpm takes over as normal 20:55:32 Don't let me tie up the meeting. 20:55:32 sdgathman, stickster should we move this convo to #fedora-modularity ? to not pollute these logs 20:55:40 langdon: sdgathman: Yeah, agreed 20:55:57 Although technically it's open floor, there are more people there who'd like to see input from a community member having an issue 20:56:08 it's important to have feedback like this 20:56:14 +1 20:56:22 so thanks for being willing to discuss sdgathman 20:56:24 Anyway, more modularity articles, please 20:56:27 :-) 20:56:29 hear hear 20:56:39 Anything else before we close up here? 20:56:47 #agreed more modularity articles would be useful! 20:57:30 #action stickster ask ryanlerch to edit Ask Fedora article 20:57:36 Everything looks good to me. 20:58:03 #action stickster edit dd article and do image 20:58:45 #action stickster edit SELinux article and do image, schedule for Mon May 6 20:59:09 #action stickster ask asamalik to pull together review roundup for week of May 13 20:59:20 OK, now we're done then :-D 20:59:23 #endmeeting