12:00:36 <asamalik> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 12:00:36 <asamalik> #meetingname magazine 12:00:36 <asamalik> #topic Roll call 12:00:36 <asamalik> #chair stickster ryanlerch cverna asamalik 12:00:36 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 5 12:00:36 2019 UTC. 12:00:36 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 12:00:36 <zodbot> The chair is asamalik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 12:00:36 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 12:00:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 12:00:36 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 12:00:36 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster 12:01:00 <asamalik> .hello2 12:01:02 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com> 12:01:24 <cverna> morning all 12:01:24 <stickster> .hello pfrields 12:01:26 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com> 12:01:29 <stickster> hiya everyone! 12:02:13 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch 12:02:15 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com> 12:02:20 <ryanlerch> hi all! 12:02:21 <asamalik> good morning afternoon and evening everyone! 12:02:25 <ryanlerch> hi stickster! 12:02:29 <ryanlerch> hi asamalik! 12:02:56 <stickster> let's get ready to rummmmmmmble 12:03:02 <ryanlerch> :D 12:03:51 <asamalik> #topic Last week's stats 12:03:51 <asamalik> #info Week of May 27: 67K pageviews -- little up from the last week! but more of an average overall 12:04:06 <stickster> Not terrible, not incredible 12:04:47 <stickster> We just barely missed the monthly record by a few thousand page views 12:05:57 <asamalik> that's good and bad new at the same time I guess :) 12:07:26 <asamalik> #topic Extra topic: Documentation 12:07:26 <asamalik> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/ 12:07:46 <cverna> asamalik++ I had a quick look at it looks good :) 12:07:48 <asamalik> I've moved all our docs (I could find) to the Fedora docs! And wondering what people think and also wanted to get +1s before I replace the old content with redirects. 12:07:55 <asamalik> cverna: cool! 12:08:18 <stickster> This is awesome asamalik 12:08:20 <ryanlerch> yeah +1 from me! 12:08:25 <ryanlerch> asamalik++ 12:08:35 <asamalik> \o/ 12:08:50 <stickster> There are a few things that look goofy in one of the pages, I can do a PR for it 12:09:24 <asamalik> stickster: yeah there are a few things I'd change, but I figured I just do the move as one step and then, exactly, we can do PRs! 12:09:29 <asamalik> #action asamalik to replace old docs with redirects to the new ones on docs.fp.o 12:10:02 <asamalik> well, I did restructure the "writing posts" page a bit, but haven't changed the content per se, just the structure 12:10:06 <ryanlerch> asamalik: can we do redirects in wp itself? or is this something a sysadmin will have to do? 12:10:16 <stickster> yup 12:10:26 <asamalik> ryanlerch: no idea... we can do it in wiki, that I know 12:11:02 <stickster> Hm. I don't think WP provides those, but we can do it in an htaccess I think 12:11:28 <stickster> That should preferably also go into ansible so it doesn't disappear if/when the magazine gets rebuilt 12:12:03 <stickster> #action stickster Look into redirects for pages 12:12:40 <asamalik> cool! 12:12:54 <asamalik> #topic Extra topic 2: Kanban board 12:12:54 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:12:54 <asamalik> Populated the Kanban board with articles I've found we'd focus on today — so we can test it out. 12:12:54 <asamalik> We also talked with stickster about potentially using a board directly in Wordpress, but I didn't have time to look at that yet. 12:12:54 <asamalik> So let's test Taiga today, see how it works, and I'll look into other options for next time? We might want to test a few anyway before a complete switch (well, if that even happens). 12:13:20 * stickster opens up the taiga kanban 12:13:29 <ryanlerch> asamalik: are you able to add us to the board? 12:13:44 <asamalik> ryanlerch: I haven't done so, yet? 12:13:49 <asamalik> Ah! that was just the docs repo! 12:13:55 <asamalik> let me fix it right now 12:14:05 <stickster> I got in OK but maybe that's because of some other perms? 12:14:14 <asamalik> anyone can see it 12:14:22 <ryanlerch> yeah, i can view, butr not edit anything 12:14:24 <asamalik> but to move things around people need perms 12:14:32 <asamalik> which I like actually 12:15:09 <cverna> I can see the board 12:15:23 <cverna> this one --> https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 12:15:25 <asamalik> ok, I could add stickster, but can't seem to add cverna and ryanlerch without an email :/ 12:16:07 <cverna> asamalik: you need email to add people in tagia 12:16:14 <cverna> .fasinfo cverna 12:16:15 <zodbot> cverna: User: cverna, Name: None, email: clems.verna@gmail.com, Creation: 2015-11-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active 12:16:18 <zodbot> cverna: Approved Groups: sysadmin-badges sysadmin-web @sysadmin-fpdc fedorabugs packager sysadmin-osbs sysadmin-packages sysadmin pagure_contributor fi-apprentice cvsl10n cla_done cla_fpca 12:16:24 <asamalik> cverna: ah! I forgot about that command 12:16:27 <cverna> .fasinfo ryanlerch 12:16:28 <zodbot> cverna: User: ryanlerch, Name: Ryan Lerch, email: rlerch@redhat.com, Creation: 2008-04-07, IRC Nick: ryanlerch, Timezone: Australia/Brisbane, Locale: en, GPG key ID: , Status: active 12:16:31 <zodbot> cverna: Approved Groups: fedora-socialmedia marketing cla_fedora cla_fpca cla_done fedorabugs @svnendoculator gitfedora-ux @designteam gitbadges gitfedora-magazine packager @magazine web gitfedora-web 12:16:36 <cverna> asamalik: :) 12:16:58 <stickster> Hm, I was able to "invite" cverna 12:17:20 <stickster> I don't see ryanlerch on there, have you not used taiga before? 12:17:21 <cverna> stickster: I think because we already share a project in common 12:17:25 <stickster> Ohhhhhh 12:17:32 <asamalik> I *think* I might have invite cverna and ryanlerch but the UI is quite buggy and wasn't reacting in any way :/ 12:17:57 <cverna> I was added either by asamalik or stickster :P 12:17:59 * asamalik has invented an adventure for everyone :D 12:18:10 <stickster> let's see if ryanlerch got his email 12:18:11 <ryanlerch> stickster: i have only viewed it. never been added to a group 12:18:26 <asamalik> ryanlerch: you should have an email 12:18:53 <ryanlerch> hmmm, no email 12:19:16 <ryanlerch> got the notifications from earlier (i follow the team board) 12:19:28 <asamalik> ok, so we can either 1) do the clicking for you now or 2) do it the old way and fix it for next time 12:20:03 <ryanlerch> roger! 12:20:41 <cverna> ryanlerch: check you RH email again :) 12:21:07 <ryanlerch> just come through! 12:21:10 <asamalik> yay I can see ryanlerch there now! 12:21:11 <asamalik> cool 12:21:12 <cverna> \o/ 12:21:53 <asamalik> ok, so, I haven't had a chance to document it still, but I guess it might be even intuitive 12:21:53 * stickster sees some changes happening, cool 12:22:11 * asamalik observes stickster moving cards around 12:22:12 <ryanlerch> i mistakenlky thought the 29 EOL was the one we did 12:22:23 <ryanlerch> then realised that was 28 12:22:33 <asamalik> haha, nope, I just figured I add it there and we can even write it anytime we want 12:23:04 <asamalik> anyway, I've added pitches I've found to the board so we can approve them 12:23:16 <asamalik> we don't have anything in Draft nor in Pending Review :( 12:23:32 <cverna> oh no that does not sounds good :( 12:23:40 <stickster> The status columns make sense to me. "Ready to Go" seems like we might be able to get rid of... IOW, it seems like a "stall" place before scheduling 12:24:18 <asamalik> stickster: the idea of "Ready to go" was for articles that are completely done, but we haven't decided when to push them out 12:24:19 <cverna> yes if it is ready to go then we should schedule it 12:24:21 <asamalik> but you might be right 12:24:54 <cverna> I am not sure we have many of these :P ^^ 12:25:08 <asamalik> cverna: right.. we might solve this problem when we have it 12:25:19 <stickster> yup 12:25:55 <asamalik> #topic Pending review posts 12:25:55 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post 12:25:55 <asamalik> #info nothing here :( 12:25:55 <asamalik> #topic Drafts to review 12:25:55 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post 12:25:56 <asamalik> #info nothing here :( 12:25:56 <asamalik> #topic Pitches to approve 12:25:57 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post 12:26:59 <stickster> I added a pitch card just now to the taiga, is that where we want to see things start, or have them start on the magazine and then we make a card for them? 12:27:27 <asamalik> stickster: ah, right, I'm just copying commands and haven't realized the link is now wrong 12:27:56 <asamalik> #info #4 bpftrace: A new eBPF-based supertool for tracing 12:28:11 <asamalik> #undo 12:28:11 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by asamalik at 12:27:56 : #4 bpftrace: A new eBPF-based supertool for tracing 12:28:20 <asamalik> #undo --- #4 bpftrace: A new eBPF-based supertool for tracing --- 12:28:20 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x7f6d3be30110> 12:28:34 <cverna> stickster: if we choose taiga I would say that it is better to have pitches initially in taiga 12:28:36 <asamalik> #info --- #4 bpftrace: A new eBPF-based supertool for tracing --- 12:28:49 <asamalik> cverna: I agree yes 12:29:18 <cverna> meaning we need to allow non project menbers to create user story 12:29:27 <asamalik> I think the chair could just make sure everything is in there before the meeting, or we can even change our process and ask people to create them there... 12:29:53 <stickster> mm yes, cverna 12:30:12 <stickster> maybe we should just be responsible for that move. It means we don't have to send volunteers all over the place 12:30:19 <stickster> they can use the ML, the WP, or whatever makes them happy 12:30:26 <asamalik> stickster: +1 12:31:01 <ryanlerch> yeah, keeping volunteers in one place sounds like a bgood plan 12:31:33 <cverna> work for me too, just need more copy/pasting then :) 12:31:34 <stickster> Our docs should reflect the "right" place in any case 12:31:47 <asamalik> and I'll see if a kanban board in Wordpres would potentially automate it 12:31:50 <asamalik> stickster: definitely! 12:31:57 <stickster> asamalik: that would be *ideal* 12:32:20 <stickster> #info stickster found a "Redirection" plugin that seems to do what we want, and is extremely popular 12:32:31 <asamalik> \o/ 12:32:48 <asamalik> ok, back to pitches! 12:33:07 <asamalik> #4 12:33:14 <asamalik> btw there is a link in each card to the preview 12:33:19 * cverna added his vote to the card 12:33:25 <asamalik> ah cool 12:33:29 <cverna> +1 12:33:37 <asamalik> +1 12:34:06 <ryanlerch> +1 12:35:29 * stickster too 12:35:36 <stickster> I voted in card 12:35:40 <asamalik> #info approved +4 -0 12:35:44 <asamalik> stickster: just saw! 12:35:53 <cverna> So we move the card now ? 12:35:59 <asamalik> let's vote here during the meeting and there outside of a meeting :) 12:36:05 <asamalik> cverna: yeah! 12:36:13 <cverna> \o/ 12:36:16 * asamalik moved it 12:36:17 <stickster> yeah, if we're getting notified by new pitches we can always vote quickly outside the meeting 12:36:20 <cverna> way to go 12:37:11 <asamalik> #info --- #5 Tunning your SHELL (BASH) in Workstation and Silverblue --- 12:37:46 <asamalik> #action asamalik email author of #4 about the approval 12:38:24 * cverna is not sure to understand the pitch 12:39:10 <ryanlerch> yeah, not sure where the silverblue angle comes in here 12:39:51 <stickster> I thought it was just "they work basically the same" 12:39:52 <asamalik> I think they wanted to indicate "desktop"? 12:39:55 <stickster> yeah 12:40:06 <stickster> Probably could just as easily be "Fedora" 12:40:13 <ryanlerch> and without the silverblue angle, (assuming it's tweaking the shell) it might be better to focus on a single thing, like ohmyzsh 12:40:21 <ryanlerch> for a start 12:40:47 <ryanlerch> an article that covers all these things is either going to be super long, or not detailed enough 12:41:40 <asamalik> we could suggest splitting into multiple ones, or choosing just one and writing about that for a start? 12:41:45 <cverna> yes I agree with ryanlerch 12:42:31 <ryanlerch> oh the links in the pitch go to PDFs 12:42:33 <ryanlerch> https://hhlp.fedorapeople.org/Join/bash/bash.pdf 12:42:38 <cverna> I am pretty sure we had already a powerline article 12:43:02 <ryanlerch> https://hhlp.fedorapeople.org/Join/zsh/zsh.pdf 12:43:11 <stickster> Yeah, I would think focusing the article a bit would be helpful 12:44:22 <stickster> Heck, *just* that colorls rubygem would be worth covering on its ow 12:44:24 <stickster> *own 12:45:09 <stickster> Also, the other thing is that an article that "tweaks" tons of things just to the author's standards is typically not as good as having separate articles that get better search "juice" 12:45:47 <cverna> ha yes that's a good point 12:46:00 <stickster> So how do we want to proceed? 12:46:14 * stickster notes that we have only 14 min left, and we have no content yet for this coming week 12:46:15 <asamalik> that makes sense... I can see that people would search for "how to do X" instead of "how someone does some things" 12:46:20 <asamalik> ah! 12:47:04 <asamalik> ok, let's first figure out the schedule and then do the pitches in the end or async? 12:47:28 <cverna> yes +1 to move to schedule 12:47:37 <stickster> +1 12:47:41 <asamalik> #topic Publishing schedule 12:47:42 <ryanlerch> +1 12:47:49 <asamalik> so.. ideas welcome :) 12:48:13 <stickster> I already said I would write an article "please come write for us"... I'd be willing to get that out by Friday 12:48:23 <ryanlerch> i can ge tthe markdown apps one done for monday 12:48:27 <asamalik> stickster++ 12:48:33 <asamalik> ryanlerch++ 12:48:40 <cverna> ryanlerch++ 12:48:55 <ryanlerch> will have to do it by friday, since i fly out at 9pm friday night my time 12:49:11 <cverna> I most likely cannot do much this week :( 12:49:25 <asamalik> I set dates to both and moved them to "in progress" 12:50:35 <asamalik> I could probably put something together by Wednesday 12:50:44 * asamalik is not sure what 12:50:59 <asamalik> do we still want a modularity article? 12:51:45 <stickster> Hm 12:51:47 <cverna> we have a few command line quick tips in the starter pitches 12:51:58 <cverna> they might be quick wins 12:52:00 <ryanlerch> asamalik: is there a real-world example of how modularity works? like installing wordpress or something with an older library? 12:52:11 <stickster> ryanlerch++ 12:52:11 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for ryanlerch changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 12:52:27 <ryanlerch> was thinking today something like that might be good, but had no idea where to start 12:52:35 <stickster> #action stickster write CTA for contribution, do image, and schedule for Friday 12:52:35 <asamalik> that would be cool! 12:53:02 <asamalik> ok, I'll try to figure something out 12:54:05 <ryanlerch> that seems to be the theme for wednesdays now :) 12:54:11 <cverna> maybe testing an application with the different nodejs version 12:54:14 <stickster> yeah, we need to get more authors in here 12:54:25 <asamalik> Make it Happen Wednesdays :) 12:55:25 <stickster> https://gifer.com/en/52XI 12:55:53 * stickster notes that he, ryanlerch, cverna will be in f2f meeting next week so we may want to plan ahead a bit 12:56:30 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Friday 7 Jun, Come write for us (stickster) -- Monday 10 Jun, apps for writing in Markdown (ryanlerch) -- Friday 12 Jun, some actual example with modularity?? (asamalik) 12:56:32 <asamalik> stickster: ah! 12:56:42 <cverna> I will be around :), I am staying home for this one looking after the wife :) 12:56:51 <stickster> Oh right, sorry cverna! 12:56:58 <cverna> no worries :) 12:56:59 * stickster <-- forgetful 12:57:34 <asamalik> ok, we're running out of time 12:57:35 <cverna> so asamalik and I can run the show next week 12:57:43 <asamalik> do we want to ty to plan the other week async? 12:57:52 * asamalik will need to go to a meeting in 2 mins 12:57:57 <stickster> Sure. asamalik, can you restate current plan? 12:58:01 <stickster> current week, I mean 12:58:33 <asamalik> cverna cool! 12:58:38 * asamalik will be here as well 12:58:45 <cverna> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Friday 7 Jun, Come write for us (stickster) -- Monday 10 Jun, apps for writing in Markdown (ryanlerch) -- Friday 12 Jun, some actual example with modularity?? (asamalik) 12:58:52 <cverna> stickster: ^^ 12:59:16 <cverna> Friday 12 Jun should really be Wednesday :) 12:59:21 <asamalik> I sent it but maybe IRC decided that's not happening? :) 12:59:24 <asamalik> cverna: it should 12:59:30 <stickster> +1 12:59:38 <cverna> +1 12:59:44 <ryanlerch> +1 12:59:46 <asamalik> +1 13:00:17 <stickster> So it was written, so shall it be done :-D 13:00:21 <ryanlerch> :D 13:00:43 <asamalik> exactly :D 13:00:47 <asamalik> #undo 13:00:48 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x7f6d3b948890> 13:00:48 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Friday 7 Jun, Come write for us (stickster) -- Monday 10 Jun, apps for writing in Markdown (ryanlerch) -- Wednesday 12 Jun, some actual example with modularity?? (asamalik) 13:00:59 <asamalik> ok, thanks all! 13:01:07 <cverna> thanks 13:01:13 <ryanlerch> thanks! 13:01:29 <cverna> night ryanlerch 13:01:31 <cverna> :-) 13:01:35 <ryanlerch> night! 13:02:04 <cverna> #endmeeting