12:00:27 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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12:00:29 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
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12:00:30 <stickster> #topic Roll call
12:00:32 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:00:34 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:01:09 <stickster> #chair asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch
12:01:09 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch stickster
12:01:15 <bcotton> .hello2
12:01:16 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
12:01:27 <asamalik> .hello2
12:01:28 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
12:01:33 <stickster> asamalik: Do you want to gavel today?
12:02:46 <asamalik> stickster: sure!
12:03:06 * cverna is around but in another meeting
12:04:14 <stickster> np cverna
12:04:32 <stickster> let's go asamalik
12:04:32 <asamalik> #topic Last week's stats
12:04:32 <asamalik> #info Week of August 26: > 63.5K pageviews -- slightly higher than the previous two weeks
12:04:53 <stickster> yeah, we got back on the horse somewhat :-)
12:06:18 <asamalik> yeah :)
12:06:45 <asamalik> #topic Pending review posts
12:06:45 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pending&post_type=post
12:06:55 <asamalik> #info nothing in Pending review
12:07:03 <stickster> :,(
12:07:15 <asamalik> #topic Drafts to review
12:07:15 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
12:07:44 <asamalik> #info --- Performing storage management tasks in Cockpit ---
12:07:50 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=29233&preview=true
12:08:11 <stickster> I think Shaun said this one is ready for review/edit
12:08:30 <asamalik> that looks nice!
12:08:33 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
12:08:35 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
12:08:35 <asamalik> excellent
12:08:47 * asamalik can do the edit
12:09:51 <stickster> Coolio
12:10:43 <asamalik> yeah just confirmed on the list, this one is ready
12:10:55 <asamalik> #action asamalik edit the Performing storage management tasks in Cockpit article
12:12:01 <asamalik> ryanlerch: how do you feel about making some art? :P
12:12:13 <ryanlerch> count me in!
12:12:20 <asamalik> ryanlearch++
12:12:51 <asamalik> #action ryanlerch creates an image for the Performing storage management tasks in Cockpit article
12:12:54 <asamalik> cool!
12:13:27 <asamalik> #info --- The Rsync Misconception ---
12:13:31 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=28647&preview=true
12:13:38 <stickster> #info stickster emailed the rsync article's author again, no reply since last week
12:13:48 <asamalik> oh, this one is just a title :)
12:13:51 <asamalik> ok
12:13:53 <stickster> If we don't have any reply by next week, I say bin it
12:14:14 <asamalik> we've seen the others if I'm not mistaken
12:14:46 <asamalik> and none of those are ready
12:15:33 <asamalik> #topic Pitches to approve
12:15:33 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
12:16:14 <asamalik> #info --- Firefox 69 in Fedora ---
12:16:19 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=29272&preview=true
12:16:36 <asamalik> I see stickster is now editing/proposing this one?
12:16:45 <stickster> asamalik: Actually I think sgallagh post on Fedora services might be ready?
12:17:00 <sgallagh> stickster: No, not yet
12:17:05 <asamalik> stickster: that one is about Fedora 31 so I thought we're waiting for the release?
12:17:12 <stickster> ah, I sit corrected
12:17:14 <stickster> right
12:17:17 <stickster> duuhhh
12:17:32 <sgallagh> stickster: I'm going to get to it this week, but the intention was to have it come out just after Beta is released.
12:17:42 <stickster> *nod
12:17:47 <sgallagh> To highlight a new feature
12:17:48 <asamalik> sorry, looks like we'll need to be creative today
12:18:24 <stickster> asamalik: Yeah, cverna put that idea on the list and I put in a placeholder for it. I'm happy to write it, but we do need to see if stransky is getting F30/F31 packages out
12:19:05 <stickster> oops, jhorak I mean
12:19:07 <asamalik> +1
12:19:33 <asamalik> stickster: that would be very nice!
12:20:18 * stickster checking
12:20:36 <stickster> #action stickster find out if Firefox-69 is coming for F30/31, then write Firefox article
12:21:01 <stickster> Let's not count on it for Friday yet -- I don't know how long it will take for packages to be out
12:21:08 <stickster> Monday may be safe if I hear back from jhorak
12:21:41 <asamalik> ok
12:21:50 <asamalik> we might do the Cockpit one on Friday
12:22:00 <stickster> Looks like they don't have required nss in F30/31 yet... seems like this should be an update bundle
12:22:01 <asamalik> #info --- Multimedia codecs in Fedora ---
12:22:04 <stickster> anywhow
12:22:13 <asamalik> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=29166&preview=true
12:22:19 <asamalik> there is an update from the author
12:22:26 <asamalik> "Hi Paul, I was thinking in the codecs `ffmpeg ffmpeg-libs` and alternatively `dnf groupupdate Multimedia`. I assume the later is legally ok, but I am not sure about ffmpeg, I was told it lies in dubious territory."
12:23:31 <stickster> ffmpeg is not OK, AFAIK, if we're talking about rpmfusion. It's free software, but it implements patent encumbered codecs.
12:23:38 <stickster> I'll answer once the edit lock is released.
12:23:52 <asamalik> oops, sorry
12:23:55 <asamalik> I'm out!
12:24:41 <asamalik> otherwise, there's nothing else that's new
12:25:02 <asamalik> #topic Additional article inputs
12:26:00 <asamalik> we need two more (or one if Firefox 69 gets out in time)
12:27:29 <asamalik> I propose asking on the list again. It worked out well the last time I did it.
12:27:34 <cverna> we were talking about gnome 3.34 coming in F31
12:27:47 <cverna> apparently they have improved the performance quite a bit
12:28:02 <cverna> not sure if we want to publish this before the f31 beta is released tho
12:28:44 <stickster> cverna: we did last time: https://fedoramagazine.org/gnome-3-32-released-coming-to-fedora-30/
12:29:07 <stickster> I think that would be an excellent idea... when is 3.34 coming?
12:29:17 <stickster> asamalik++
12:29:44 <stickster> misc: Are you around perchance?
12:30:02 <cverna> GNOME 3.34 will be released on Wednesday, September 11
12:30:18 <stickster> OK, so that would be great to queue up for next week :-)
12:30:50 <stickster> I wonder if we can convince ryanlerch to take that one
12:30:53 <asamalik> I think that would work nicely, yes!
12:31:15 <ryanlerch> stickster: i'll do it!
12:31:54 <asamalik> excellent!
12:33:35 <asamalik> #action ryanlerch will write a GNOME 3.34 announcement for Wednesday
12:34:04 <asamalik> so, we *might* be good if the Firefox works out, but I'll ask on the list just in case
12:34:17 <asamalik> that works?
12:34:33 <stickster> asamalik: If there's no news on Firefox by Friday, I'll watch the list. If nothing pops up I'll write something short over the weekend for Monday.
12:34:45 <asamalik> stickster++
12:34:59 <stickster> Let's agree on schedule so we can see what's up with this workflow stuff ;-)
12:35:06 <asamalik> yep!
12:35:33 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Sep 6, Performing storage management tasks in Cockpit (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Mon Sep 9, Firefox 69 or something else (stickster) -- Wed Sep 11, GNOME 3.34 (ryanlerch)
12:35:38 <misc> stickster: yup
12:35:45 <ryanlerch> +1
12:35:52 <asamalik> stickster: you knew why I was rushing :P
12:35:58 <asamalik> +1
12:36:23 <stickster> +1
12:36:27 <cverna> +1
12:36:34 <asamalik> #action asamalik to ask on the list for an article for Monday
12:36:52 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri Sep 6, Performing storage management tasks in Cockpit (asamalik:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Mon Sep 9, Firefox 69 or something else (stickster) -- Wed Sep 11, GNOME 3.34 (ryanlerch)
12:37:03 <asamalik> #topic new workflow
12:37:07 <asamalik> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine/issue/2
12:37:28 <asamalik> so I feel like we agreed on the workflow in the ticket
12:37:46 <cverna> asamalik++ for the nice picture
12:37:53 <asamalik> cverna: thanks!
12:38:09 <asamalik> I think we can discuss implementation and go for a trial!
12:38:32 <cverna> do you have ideas for implementation ?
12:38:49 <asamalik> I do!
12:39:22 <asamalik> proposing ideas / pitches could happen in Pagure or on a mailing list — we'd discuss them there
12:39:55 <asamalik> and when ideas turn into specific article specs, we'd put them in Taiga and track them there until the publication
12:40:20 <asamalik> and we'd stop using the states in Wordpress
12:40:35 <bcotton> if we're going to track state in taiga, why not take ideas/pitches as taiga issues. then you can button-click convert them to user stories if we accept them
12:40:49 <bcotton> (then everything is in one place)
12:41:18 <asamalik> bcotton: that's an option, too, yes! I just felt like Pagure seems simpler / more approachable for people, but that might be just a personal thing.
12:41:30 <cverna> yep once place would be nice and easier to remember
12:41:35 <bcotton> i don't disagree with that :-)
12:41:48 <asamalik> there is a distinction between collecting ideas and tracking work
12:41:54 <asamalik> I think they can happen in different places
12:42:06 <cverna> we can still do mailing list for the simple side
12:42:26 <asamalik> and when an idea turns into multiple articles or there is a long discussion, we can just take what's relevant and create a new clean card just with the right description
12:43:47 <asamalik> yes, mailing list can work in parallel... we can have more of these collection sports... and everything we decide to go for (and know what it actually is) will be then tracked in Taiga
12:44:32 <stickster> I think it's important from the writer's perspective (assume a new contributor) that whatever they're supposed to do to get started be as easy or self-evident as possible
12:44:34 * asamalik has multiple inboxes but one tracking system for his personal stuff and it works quite well
12:45:36 <bcotton> stickster: i agree. i'd also extend that by saying it should be as decision-free as possible. iow, we should have one place where people send in ideas, be that taiga, mailing list, pagure, bugzilla, IPoAC, whatever
12:45:57 <asamalik> stickster: absolultely! and the Taiga board starting with article specs ready to be taken with a good description could do the job
12:46:39 <asamalik> bcotton: yeah, that's a good point
12:48:12 <cverna> ok so I guess the next step is to write that down and start using this process ?
12:48:33 <asamalik> and we should try to get it right the first time so we're not confusing contributors with tracker that keeps changing all the time
12:48:47 <stickster> Agreed
12:49:16 <stickster> asamalik: I also think putting a copy of that workflow graphic from the pagure.io ticket above into docs.fp.o/magazine would be really helpful
12:49:31 <asamalik> stickster: definitely
12:50:25 <asamalik> so let's try all in Taiga? and maybe keep the ML as a second inbox?
12:51:00 <asamalik> and I'd write it down, set it up, and we'd do the switch let's say next week?
12:51:33 <stickster> Sure, I'm game for that
12:51:57 <stickster> So basically all pitches and starter pitches will go into Taiga in this new world order
12:52:09 <stickster> And we'd clear out those categories in the Magazine
12:52:24 <asamalik> yes, and everything that's not Draft or Pending Review gets trashed in Wordpress
12:52:30 <stickster> *nod
12:52:37 <stickster> Oh right, Holding Pen too
12:52:44 <stickster> There's probably moldy stuff in there as well as good stuff
12:52:47 <asamalik> yep!
12:53:02 <asamalik> whatever we're not sure about goes to ideas
12:53:08 <asamalik> and we can decide
12:53:58 <asamalik> stickster: Holding Pen is in progress but stalled?
12:55:09 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed We'll implement the new process in Taiga.
12:55:20 <cverna> +1
12:56:11 <asamalik> and we'd move things once we're ready for the switch and everything is announced
12:56:25 <asamalik> #action asamalik documents the process in the docs and sets the board up
12:57:10 <stickster> Sounds all good to me
12:57:35 <stickster> Oh sorry asamalik  -- yes, Holding Pen is "stuff that got abandoned" and it's not clear whether it's worth someone else picking up.
12:57:41 <stickster> We could evaluate each for backlog.
12:57:56 <stickster> and toss whatever's too moldy to bring back
12:58:23 <asamalik> stickster: thanks
12:58:24 <asamalik> yes
12:58:31 <asamalik> #agreed We'll implement the new process in Taiga.
12:58:37 <asamalik> I'll keep the list updated!
12:59:06 <asamalik> anything else before I close this up?
12:59:17 * asamalik waits 30 seconds
12:59:20 <misc> close the workflow or the meeting ?
12:59:40 <misc> (cause for the meeting, I had something to say)
13:00:02 <asamalik> the meeting!
13:00:26 <asamalik> #topic All other business (open floor)
13:00:40 <asamalik> misc: go for it real quick :P
13:01:08 <misc> so, I replace the staging server
13:01:34 <misc> or rather, jbrooks did create a staging setup, but we can't have it on stg.fedoramagazine.org due to hosting limitation
13:01:59 <misc> so, I would like to know where I should fix the doc
13:02:11 <misc> (but my other meeting start, I will send a email)
13:02:39 <asamalik> misc: that would be probably the best, I'm sure people have already left for other meetings
13:02:45 * asamalik is in a different call also
13:03:06 <misc> we should get paid twice if we do 2 meetings at once
13:03:08 <asamalik> misc: anything to #info so it's in the minutes?
13:03:32 <misc> #info new staging instance is setup, misc will follow up with details on the list
13:03:50 <stickster> misc: We probably should record this in docs.fp.o/magazine for editors/devs who help
13:04:15 <stickster> https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/ to be exact
13:04:34 <stickster> https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine is the source
13:04:43 * stickster has to run to same meeting asamalik is at
13:04:53 <asamalik> yep!
13:04:57 <asamalik> ok, thanks misc for the update
13:05:03 <cverna> thanks all
13:05:05 <asamalik> #endmeeting