12:01:53 <stickster> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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12:01:58 <stickster> #meetingname magazine
12:01:58 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine'
12:02:03 <stickster> #topic Roll call
12:02:17 <stickster> #chair asamalik cverna ryanlerch
12:02:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna ryanlerch stickster
12:02:18 <asamalik> .hello2
12:02:19 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
12:02:24 * stickster hands over gavel
12:02:25 <asamalik> sorry for being a little late!
12:02:29 <asamalik> thanks stickster for starting it
12:02:34 <bcotton> .hello2
12:02:35 <stickster> np :-)
12:02:35 <zodbot> bcotton: bcotton 'Ben Cotton' <bcotton@redhat.com>
12:02:39 <stickster> #chair bcotton
12:02:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch stickster
12:02:56 <asamalik> #topic Agenda
12:02:58 <stickster> #chair sub_pop
12:02:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
12:03:03 <asamalik> #info Fedora Magazine has moved to a new Editorial Workflow
12:03:04 <asamalik> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/
12:03:04 <asamalik> #info Following is the meeting agenda that is a slightly different than before:
12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats --
12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 2/ In progress followup --
12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review --
12:03:04 <asamalik> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit --
12:03:05 <asamalik> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule --
12:03:05 <asamalik> #info -- 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve --
12:03:06 <asamalik> #info -- 7/ Open floor --
12:03:40 <stickster> Nice! Great idea copy-pasting this each meeting asamalik
12:04:02 <asamalik> stickster: we even have a template: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/editorial-meetings/
12:05:14 <stickster> +1
12:05:18 <asamalik> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
12:05:23 <asamalik> #info Week of Sep 30: 60.5K pageviews -- it's gone down again, basically an average
12:05:33 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
12:05:35 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
12:07:11 * cverna is around
12:07:14 <cverna> o/
12:07:51 <stickster> Yeah, roughly average
12:07:53 <stickster> Hi Ryan!
12:07:56 <stickster> Hi Clement!
12:08:02 * asamalik waves
12:08:24 <asamalik> #topic 2/ In progress followup
12:08:29 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author?
12:08:29 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:09:00 <asamalik> oh wow that board is empty! :(
12:09:31 <asamalik> #info --- #23 Advanced Ansible to manage Linux workstations with swiss-army ---
12:09:35 <asamalik> #link https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/23?kanban-status=191
12:10:36 <asamalik> that's by jwf, he's saying in the card this should be ready by early october
12:10:41 <asamalik> so I'll ping him there :)
12:11:28 <stickster> +1. The cupboard does look a little bare :-)
12:12:37 <bcotton> maybe that's a good opportunity for the "how to contribute to fedora magazine" article asamalik was talking about a few weeks ago
12:12:47 <asamalik> done
12:12:55 <asamalik> bcotton: it might be, yes!
12:13:52 <asamalik> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
12:13:53 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback.
12:13:53 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:13:56 <asamalik> #info nothing here
12:14:05 <asamalik> #topic 4/ Articles to edit
12:14:05 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
12:14:05 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:14:18 <asamalik> #info nothing new here, one waiting for f30 GA
12:14:31 <asamalik> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
12:14:32 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period.
12:14:32 <asamalik> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content.
12:14:32 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:14:36 <asamalik> and here we go!
12:14:37 <cverna> s/f30/f31/ :-)
12:14:41 <asamalik> time for some magic
12:15:00 <asamalik> cverna: oops, yep, that is now I'm afraid impossible to fix :)
12:15:11 <bcotton> do we know who is going to write the f31 ga post? if we expect mattdm to, we should get it in front of him soon
12:15:12 <stickster> asamalik: With this new meeting agenda, it's easier to get to the stuff we *need* to do in the meeting. Well done
12:15:26 <asamalik> \o/
12:15:30 <bcotton> (so that he can make me ghost write it for him?)
12:15:35 <stickster> lulz
12:15:39 <asamalik> bcotton: that's a good point
12:15:53 <asamalik> maybe we should have a card for that
12:16:13 <bcotton> i'll add one and poke mattdm about starting the process
12:16:16 <asamalik> and I can write the how to contribute, but for next Wednesday at the earliest
12:16:26 <bcotton> #action bcotton to add a card for F31 GA post
12:16:27 <asamalik> oh well and I'm on PTO starting next Thursday, so basically only Wednesday
12:16:50 <bcotton> #action bcotton to approach mattdm about writing F31 GA post
12:17:10 <ryanlerch> asamalik: put me on the book for the image for that one
12:17:15 <bcotton> asamalik: if we have a ton of content show up, we can publish while you're on PTO :-)
12:17:19 <asamalik> ryanlerch++
12:17:28 <asamalik> bcotton: that's true!
12:17:41 <asamalik> ok let me make a card for me
12:17:49 <asamalik> and let's think about something for Friday and Monday :)
12:19:28 <asamalik> bcotton, ryanlerch, cverna, stickster ^^ any ideas?
12:19:43 * stickster thinking
12:19:53 <asamalik> we could ask on the list again, but I'm afraid that we're not getting anything for Friday on this short notice
12:20:07 * asamalik has created a card for himself
12:20:13 * cverna checks something
12:21:17 <bcotton> https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/us/27?kanban-status=280 could be a quick one for someone to write
12:22:10 <cverna> Ok I can probably do an article on "black" https://github.com/psf/black, it is packaged in Fedora. So that would be how to install, how to run it and how to make you python code looks good
12:22:22 <bcotton> cverna++
12:22:22 <stickster> Oh interesting cverna
12:22:30 <bcotton> +1 to that
12:22:41 <stickster> Wow, great logo they have, too :-D
12:22:47 <cverna> and I can probably pull that off for Friday :-)
12:23:00 <asamalik> cverna++
12:23:08 <bcotton> not for friday, but we should think about getting some articles put together for the Python 2 EOL. i know it's nearly 3 months away, but it's also less than three months away
12:23:45 <stickster> Hey, I started running sshuttle not too long ago as a poor man's VPN... maybe something on that?
12:23:52 <bcotton> stickster: +1
12:24:11 <cverna> +1 too
12:24:12 <ryanlerch> stickster: +1
12:24:18 <ryanlerch> bcotton: def +1
12:24:42 <stickster> Put me down for it
12:24:50 <stickster> I thiiiiink I can get something done for Monday
12:25:02 <bcotton> #action stickster to write a sshuttle post for Monday
12:25:07 * bcotton will make the card now
12:26:20 <asamalik> nice!
12:26:22 <bcotton> #action cverna to write a Black post for Friday
12:26:26 * bcotton ditto re: card
12:26:54 <asamalik> who wants to make an image for Friday and Monday?
12:27:05 * asamalik is putting the publishing schedule together
12:27:18 <bcotton> not me, but i will edit both
12:27:23 <asamalik> woot
12:27:38 <stickster> I can handle an image for mine
12:28:24 * cverna is not great at doing the images :-P
12:28:37 <asamalik> so we need an image for Friday and someone to edit my article :)
12:29:01 <cverna> ryanlerch: can you provide an image ^^ :-)
12:29:34 <ryanlerch> me image ++
12:29:47 <cverna> ryanlerch++ thanks
12:29:53 <cverna> image++
12:30:03 <cverna> we don't have any image user :-)
12:30:15 <ryanlerch> friday++
12:30:15 <zodbot> ryanlerch: Karma for friday changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:30:22 <asamalik> cverna: maybe you gave them cookie already
12:30:27 <cverna> haha friday++
12:30:27 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for friday changed to 2 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:30:30 <bcotton> .fasinfo friday
12:30:31 <zodbot> bcotton: User: friday, Name: fri day, email: Tonew1985@jourrapide.com, Creation: 2016-06-03, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: UTC, Locale: C, GPG key ID: None, Status: spamcheck_denied
12:30:34 <zodbot> bcotton: Approved Groups: None
12:30:53 <stickster> lol
12:31:18 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 11 Oct, Black (cverna:write/bcotton:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Mon 14 Oct, sshuttle (stickster:write/bcotton:edit/stickster:image) -- Wed 16 Oct, #73 How to contribute to Fedora Magazine (asamalik:write/NICK:edit/ryanlerch:image)
12:31:23 <cverna> My name is Day, Fri Day :-)
12:31:26 <bcotton> ack
12:31:26 <asamalik> that's what I have so far
12:31:31 <stickster> Wow. I don't think we've ever got there that fast, even when we didn't have much to review
12:31:50 <asamalik> that might be true :)
12:31:58 <ryanlerch> wow, its only 22:31 too!
12:32:58 <cverna> it is because we have to go and write the content now
12:33:07 <cverna> no time to waste :-P
12:33:10 <asamalik> yes, in the remaining 27 minutes
12:33:23 <asamalik> so I guess we're good with the schedule :)
12:33:29 <asamalik> and I'll find an editor for mine on the go
12:33:34 <stickster> LOL
12:33:34 <sub_pop> hello hello
12:33:40 <stickster> Wow Link is here!
12:33:51 <cverna> sub_pop++
12:33:51 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for linkdupont changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:33:55 <cverna> \o
12:33:58 <sub_pop> yea. kids get on the bus by 8:30
12:34:26 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 11 Oct, Black (cverna:write/bcotton:edit/ryanlerch:image) -- Mon 14 Oct, sshuttle (stickster:write/bcotton:edit/stickster:image) -- Wed 16 Oct, #73 How to contribute to Fedora Magazine (asamalik:write/NICK:edit/ryanlerch:image)
12:34:42 <asamalik> #topic 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve
12:34:46 <asamalik> #info Review the the article proposals and decide about what's next — a new article spec? more discussion?
12:34:55 <asamalik> #link Article proposals: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issues
12:35:19 <asamalik> #info --- #14 Introducing how official Fedora wear is embroidered ---
12:35:24 <asamalik> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issue/14
12:35:40 <asamalik> pagure++ for including a space between the number and the title!
12:35:56 <asamalik> we need one more +1 here and we're good to go!
12:36:34 <stickster> Oh hey, I forgot I had another idea in that hopper already!
12:37:04 <cverna> +1ed
12:37:39 <asamalik> cool!
12:37:45 * asamalik will create the card now
12:37:52 <asamalik> stickster: do you want to propose it here or in the tracker?
12:38:02 <stickster> It's https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-proposals/issue/13
12:38:20 <stickster> I've got qty-2 +1's on it alrady
12:38:22 <stickster> *already
12:38:51 <stickster> If that happens, should there be a card for it? If so, I can make one.
12:40:04 <asamalik> stickster: yep!
12:40:09 <asamalik> thanks!
12:40:23 <bcotton> +1, approved. i'm moving it to the board
12:42:06 <bcotton> moved
12:42:11 * bcotton is en fuego this morning
12:42:14 <asamalik> cool! anything else we want to look at?
12:42:32 <stickster> nice
12:42:51 <bcotton> i just need someone to talk me out of a fedora sweatshirt on hellotux because i already have too many sweatshirts
12:42:55 <SpyTec13> Just wanted to mention, 4th cockpit article is ready for review, an email to the list came in 12 minutes ago
12:43:08 <stickster> Awesome SpyTec13! Thanks for that :-)
12:43:16 <asamalik> bcotton: jut buy one
12:43:27 <asamalik> SpyTec13++
12:43:27 <zodbot> asamalik: Karma for egustavs changed to 3 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:43:44 <cverna> bcotton: yes they look really nice, 1 more 1 less you won't see the difference :-)
12:43:53 <cverna> SpyTec13++
12:43:53 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for egustavs changed to 4 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
12:44:05 <asamalik> bcotton: you should actually buy two, because two is one, one is none
12:44:37 <stickster> Yeah, I need some Fedora shirts to be honest. Most of mine are getting old/threadbare
12:45:28 <stickster> asamalik: Do we have time for AOB?
12:45:40 <asamalik> SpyTec13: can you please move/create a card for it on the board so we don't forget? https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:45:53 <asamalik> #topic 7/ Open floor
12:45:57 <asamalik> let's see :)
12:46:02 * bcotton has a topic
12:46:22 <bcotton> (can be done asynch if needed)
12:46:25 * asamalik gave the mic to bcotton
12:47:06 <bcotton> so someone on my article this morning suggested a category for the Command Line Quick Tips. How do we feel about that? Would we rather have a tag (even though we don't seem to use those)? It'd be nice to have a quick way for people to find all of those articles, though
12:47:31 <asamalik> tag makes a perfect sense to me, yes
12:47:33 <stickster> A category sounds like a good idea to me
12:47:35 <stickster> oops
12:47:37 <bcotton> fight!
12:47:41 <stickster> tags are kind of arbitrary though
12:48:00 <stickster> Another idea would be to give them all a "series"
12:48:03 * asamalik just learned that "category" is probably a wordpress term :)
12:48:09 <stickster> it is :-)
12:48:14 <bcotton> yeah, tags require gardening from time to time. i think they could be useful for us to use, but putting them in a category is a simpler implementation, imo
12:48:23 <stickster> Right now those are things like "For Sysadmins," "Fedora Project community," "New in Fedora," etc.
12:48:26 <stickster> ^ categories
12:48:41 <stickster> tags are arbitrary labels you can stick on an article to help search engines locate it for related terms
12:49:00 <bcotton> ooh series seems like a good idea
12:49:06 <SpyTec13> asamalik: don't think I have permissions to write to the kanban board. First time using it
12:49:13 <stickster> But we also have a "series" (I think?) that lets you classify articles that can be grouped together -- and I think we also have a plugin that puts links to other series articles on each article's page
12:49:15 <bcotton> we have a lot of series that seem like they'd be better as tags
12:49:18 <asamalik> SpyTec13: oh! let me fix that for you
12:49:25 <stickster> ryanlerch: ^ do you know if the series thing still works?
12:49:28 <asamalik> .fasinfo SpyTec13
12:49:29 <zodbot> asamalik: User "SpyTec13" doesn't exist
12:49:39 <SpyTec13> .fasinfo egustavs
12:49:40 <zodbot> SpyTec13: User: egustavs, Name: Eric Gustavsson, email: egustavs@redhat.com, Creation: 2018-10-26, IRC Nick: SpyTec13, Timezone: Europe/Prague, Locale: en, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
12:49:43 <zodbot> SpyTec13: Approved Groups: cla_done cla_fpca
12:49:44 <stickster> :-)
12:49:45 <asamalik> thanks! :)
12:50:01 <ryanlerch> stickster: it should...
12:50:10 <asamalik> SpyTec13: I've added you
12:50:13 <ryanlerch> we havent used it for a while i dont think
12:50:23 <SpyTec13> asamalik: thanks :)
12:50:46 <asamalik> SpyTec13: you might have received an email you'd need to confirm.. not sure what Taiga has decided to do this time
12:50:52 <asamalik> it's kind of hard to tell
12:50:59 <bcotton> series looks functional afaict
12:51:16 <stickster> #idea Use *series* to mark the CLI quick tips so they can be found more easily from each other randomly, as well as on a series page
12:51:47 <stickster> tags let you do that from a tag page, but they don't create a "you might also like..." style link on a tagged article
12:52:00 <asamalik> sounds good!
12:52:34 <bcotton> how about i dig into this a little more and come back to the mailing list with a proposal?
12:52:36 <asamalik> I'm definitely for a grouping of some sort, both series and category sound good :)
12:52:43 <stickster> ryanlerch: I can't find the "series" setting in the document settings though
12:52:45 <asamalik> bcotton: that would be great
12:52:51 <stickster> I wonder if that API changed in Gutenberg
12:53:34 <bcotton> #action bcotton to look into the series plugin and come to the mailing list with a proposal on how to group Command Line Quick Tips (and perhaps a broader plan for how to use series, categories, and tags in harmony)
12:54:43 <stickster> +1
12:54:49 * stickster raises hand
12:54:50 <asamalik> cool!
12:54:51 <asamalik> anything else for the last 5 mins? :) or do we want to get some time back to get ready for the next meeting we likely all have? :)
12:54:59 * asamalik gives the mic to stickster
12:54:59 <SpyTec13> asamalik: emails didn't indicate verifying, and I can't find any sort of add card button :(
12:55:07 <SpyTec13> Probably easier if you'd create the card at this point.. :D
12:55:12 <stickster> #info stickster will be unavailable for next Magazine meeting -- at a day-long RHEL planning meeting
12:55:34 <asamalik> SpyTec13: heh, that's annoying... sorry for that, I'll create it for you and look into that
12:55:38 * asamalik shakes fist at Taiga
12:56:03 <ryanlerch> stickster: i'll look into it, pretty sure it is this issue ttps://github.com/WordPress/gutenberg/issues/3369
12:56:25 <asamalik> stickster: ack, thanks for the info
12:56:57 <asamalik> I might be at a meeting, too, now thinking about it
12:57:56 <asamalik> ryanlerch, cverna, bcotton: can any of you chair the next meeting? there is a checklist to make it easier :) https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/editorial-meetings/
12:58:06 <bcotton> i can
12:58:11 <asamalik> bcotton++
12:58:17 <ryanlerch> bcotton++
12:58:18 <asamalik> #action bcotton to chair next week's meeting
12:58:21 <bcotton> #undo
12:58:21 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: ACTION by asamalik at 12:58:18 : bcotton to chair next week's meeting
12:58:23 <bcotton> wait lies
12:58:35 <bcotton> i won't be around for next week's meeting , probably :-(
12:59:09 * cverna is not around too
12:59:14 <asamalik> ha, this will be fun!
12:59:22 <bcotton> sounds like there's no meeting next week?
12:59:49 <asamalik> we kind of rely on it for the publishing schedule, so maybe we should figure it out async
13:00:02 <asamalik> and we're over time!
13:00:07 <bcotton> yeah, mailing list it is, i think
13:00:33 <asamalik> #info next week's meeting is canceled, we need to coordinate about the publishing schedule on the list
13:00:41 <asamalik> ok, have to go, thanks all!
13:01:03 <cverna> thanks
14:01:28 <bcotton> asamalik stickster cverna if any of you are around can you #endmeeting?
14:01:41 <cverna> #endmeeting