12:00:10 <asamalik> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
12:00:10 <asamalik> #meetingname magazine
12:00:10 <asamalik> #topic Roll call
12:00:10 <asamalik> #chair stickster ryanlerch cverna asamalik sub_pop gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr bcotton
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12:00:10 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik bcotton cverna gregbartholomew jakfrost misc rwaltr ryanlerch stickster sub_pop
12:00:34 <stickster> .hello pfrields
12:00:35 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
12:02:57 <jakfrost> hello2
12:03:04 <jakfrost> .hello2
12:03:05 <zodbot> jakfrost: jakfrost 'None' <s40w5s@gmail.com>
12:03:06 * asamalik waves at stickster and jakfrost
12:03:12 <jakfrost> o/
12:03:21 <jakfrost> good morning
12:03:32 <jakfrost> afternoon ... evening
12:04:13 <asamalik> good everything!
12:04:16 <asamalik> #topic Agenda
12:04:16 <asamalik> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/
12:04:16 <asamalik> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats --
12:04:16 <asamalik> #info -- 2/ In progress followup --
12:04:16 <asamalik> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review --
12:04:16 <asamalik> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit --
12:04:16 <asamalik> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule --
12:04:17 <asamalik> #info -- 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve --
12:04:17 <asamalik> #info -- 7/ Editor of the Week --
12:04:18 <asamalik> #info -- 8/ Open floor --
12:04:29 <asamalik> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
12:04:34 <asamalik> #info Week of 17 Aug: 59.5k pageviews -- slightly below last week
12:04:59 <jakfrost> Thought BTRFS would have driven that up, sort points to audience
12:05:05 <jakfrost> sort of
12:05:30 <asamalik> that was the most popular of all
12:05:35 <asamalik> 17k views
12:05:45 <asamalik> the next ones have 6k, 4k, 3k
12:05:50 <stickster> The btrfs posts were super-popular. They drove up the stats for sure.
12:06:05 <stickster> But that was this week :-)
12:06:30 <asamalik> this week we're already in 2/3s of last week :)
12:06:33 <asamalik> so, yeah!
12:07:17 <asamalik> all right! so what's next?
12:07:22 <asamalik> #topic 2/ In progress followup
12:07:22 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author?
12:07:22 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:07:40 <asamalik> #info 2 articles in progress
12:08:56 <asamalik> #213 (podman) seems to be in progress for some time already
12:09:27 <jakfrost> yes I was wondering if the author is going to do any more on it as queried
12:09:55 <asamalik> #222 (microphones) is in progress for just a week
12:10:20 <asamalik> and I'm looking forward to this one!
12:10:49 <jakfrost> me too
12:10:55 <asamalik> I'll ping the author of #213
12:11:12 <jakfrost> okay
12:12:09 <asamalik> done
12:12:28 <asamalik> that's all here
12:12:31 * asamalik checks Wordpress
12:13:24 <asamalik> there is one "how do you fedora" https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=31597&preview=true
12:13:36 <stickster> #222 I will work on this weekend for sure
12:13:45 <asamalik> stickster++
12:14:35 <jakfrost> stickster++
12:14:51 <stickster> Oh cool! a HDYF!
12:15:02 <asamalik> yep! created #224 in "review" for it
12:15:07 <asamalik> which takes us to...
12:15:13 <asamalik> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
12:15:13 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback.
12:15:13 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:15:44 <asamalik> #info 2 articles ready for review
12:16:19 <asamalik> #undo
12:16:20 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by asamalik at 12:15:44 : 2 articles ready for review
12:16:21 <stickster> I can't take anything to review this week, but I can edit/image something for Monday or Wednesday.
12:16:26 <asamalik> #info 1 article ready for review
12:16:35 <asamalik> the btrfs one has been published :)
12:17:48 <asamalik> the HDYF looks good and ready to me
12:18:07 <asamalik> happy to take it
12:18:41 <asamalik> stickster: do you want to edit/image your article, or do you prefer someone else reviewing it?
12:19:16 <asamalik> #action asamalik image and edit #224
12:19:32 <stickster> I can just go ahead and do it, no reason to add to anyone's workload
12:19:55 <stickster> I'm also fine with *anyone* reviewing before it goes out, it's not like I'm above review :-)
12:19:55 <asamalik> ok, sounds good!
12:20:43 <stickster> I'll update the card when it's scheduled, and anyone is welcome to go in and fix anything wrong :-)
12:20:59 <asamalik> ha, didn't take it like that :)
12:21:11 <stickster> nope nope, it's all good!
12:21:37 <jakfrost> I feel left out...
12:22:03 <asamalik> jakfrost: what about writing something for next week? :P
12:22:38 <jakfrost> I can try to think of something, I'll propose it on discussion
12:22:58 <asamalik> or you could pick something from the article specs
12:23:04 <jakfrost> that too
12:23:15 <jakfrost> I'll browse them today
12:23:43 <asamalik> I did that a few times... didn't have to have brilliant ideas, and I learned about the topic on the way
12:23:55 <asamalik> jakfrost++
12:24:03 <jakfrost> there is always the learning for the perk
12:24:13 <jakfrost> cookies yum
12:25:27 <asamalik> yeah some need specific knowledge, but some need just a bit of a research people wouldn't have time for/think of doing just randomly... I think one of those I did was "5 music apps"
12:26:55 <asamalik> anyway, that's all in review :)
12:26:56 <asamalik> #topic 4/ Articles to edit
12:26:56 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
12:26:56 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:27:11 <asamalik> there's just the one assigned to me
12:27:26 <asamalik> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
12:27:26 <asamalik> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period.
12:27:26 <asamalik> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content.
12:27:26 <asamalik> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
12:27:27 <jakfrost> beat me to it
12:28:40 <asamalik> stickster: do you plan to finish your article for either Monday or Wednesday next week?
12:28:45 <stickster> I do
12:28:52 <asamalik> nice
12:28:53 <stickster> I can have it ready for Monday if that's preferred, either is fine with me
12:29:02 <asamalik> OK so I'll put the HDYF on this Friday
12:29:32 <asamalik> jakfrost: do you want to commit to something now, or do you want to look and then decide?
12:29:46 <jakfrost> I would prefer the latter
12:29:54 <asamalik> sounds good!
12:30:27 <jakfrost> even if I take a spec article, I'll post on discussion about it
12:30:48 <jakfrost> Aren't we getting close to the decision date?
12:31:04 <jakfrost> mail list vs discourse
12:31:17 <jakfrost> sorry open floor topic,
12:31:34 <asamalik> jakfrost: oh! we are actually past it, good point, yeah, let's talk about that in a moment
12:31:37 <asamalik> #proposed #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 28 Aug 2020: #224 Ankur Sinha: How do you Fedora? (image: asamalik, edit: asamalik) -- Mon 31 Aug 2020: #222 PulseEffects: microphones (image: pfrields, edit: pfrields)
12:31:45 <jakfrost> +1
12:31:55 <jakfrost> not that I have skin in this one
12:32:34 <asamalik> +1 ftr
12:34:30 <asamalik> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 28 Aug 2020: #224 Ankur Sinha: How do you Fedora? (image: asamalik, edit: asamalik) -- Mon 31 Aug 2020: #222 PulseEffects: microphones (image: pfrields, edit: pfrields)
12:34:50 <asamalik> #topic 6/ Article proposals to clarify / approve
12:34:50 <asamalik> #info Review the the article proposals and decide about what's next — a new article spec? more discussion?
12:34:50 <asamalik> #link Article proposals in our forum: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/c/project/Discussion-related-to-Fedora-Magazine
12:35:05 <asamalik> I can do this async, so we have time for the open floor
12:35:32 <asamalik> I feel we don't need this section anyway, since the editor of the week does it + it
12:35:39 <asamalik> 's so much easier to see it in the forum
12:35:43 <jakfrost> I talked with the author of #211, they are working on code for it and need about 4 weeks
12:35:56 <asamalik> #topic 7/ Editor of the Week
12:36:15 <asamalik> jakfrost: ha, that one looks interesting :)
12:36:32 <jakfrost> yeah a follow up to his previous one
12:36:41 <asamalik> any volunteers to bring order to life (well or at leat the Magazine) next week?
12:37:05 <jakfrost> are you ans stickster busy right now? I can do it again if needed
12:37:25 <jakfrost> I have things on the go, just around the office alot
12:38:27 <jakfrost> so I guess I do it this sunday
12:38:33 <asamalik> happy to take it again, happy to leave it to you :)
12:39:08 <jakfrost> it's all good, I didn't mind it so much
12:39:43 <asamalik> and thanks for getting it done last week!
12:40:06 <jakfrost> :)
12:40:10 <asamalik> I'll be here next week in both cases
12:40:18 <jakfrost> cool
12:41:09 <asamalik> so, final decision
12:41:44 <jakfrost> If you want to do it this week, I'm good with doing it next time
12:42:12 <asamalik> ok, sounds good!
12:42:17 <asamalik> #info jakfrost will be Editor of the Week next week
12:42:20 <asamalik> jakfrost++
12:42:20 <jakfrost> asamalik++
12:42:25 <asamalik> #topic 8/ Open floor
12:42:50 <asamalik> ok, so we're done with the trial of Discourse
12:42:59 <asamalik> and need to decide what's next
12:43:10 <jakfrost> how were we going to do that?
12:43:12 <asamalik> I propose doing that in Discourse as a thread
12:43:23 <jakfrost> +1 from me
12:43:26 <asamalik> I'm personally very happy in Discourse
12:43:38 <asamalik> there is no long queue of proposals because we see them and answer them quickly
12:43:47 <asamalik> there are good discussions
12:43:54 <asamalik> but I'll leave all of this for that post
12:43:57 <jakfrost> everything seems more up front
12:44:02 <asamalik> happy to start it
12:44:10 <jakfrost> good idea
12:44:16 <asamalik> #action asamalik starts a thread about Discourse
12:44:26 <asamalik> anything else?
12:44:29 <stickster> I'm quite happy with Discourse as well
12:44:46 <stickster> asamalik: I think one thing we should be looking at is how to pull in more long-term editor support.
12:45:05 <stickster> For context... Adam has been involved in Magazine for a few years now. Three (3)? More?
12:45:25 <asamalik> oh wow I don't remember exactly, but yes, that would be somewhat accurate
12:45:55 <stickster> I've been involved longer than that. My time is becoming very in demand and is keeping me from being able to satisfy work as an editor. The Magazine overall is somewhat successful but needs a robust (and growing) contributor base if it's going to survive long term.
12:46:13 <asamalik> agree
12:46:36 <jakfrost> agree
12:46:47 <asamalik> jakfrost chairing meetings and and doing other editorial things is a huge help
12:46:54 <jakfrost> I try
12:47:09 <jakfrost> It is a community after all
12:47:17 <stickster> ^ riecatnor mattdm This is a job that does not require a high level of technical skill, but it does need people who *as a group* can span several skills -- English language (for editing and sometimes writing), good communications skills for helping volunteers, and doing some simple image editing in Inkscape
12:47:32 <stickster> jakfrost++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
12:47:34 <stickster> Not enough cookies
12:47:54 <asamalik> please don't kill jakfrost with too many cookies, we need him :D
12:48:04 <asamalik> :P
12:48:10 <jakfrost> I tend to  retain the carbs
12:48:38 <asamalik> and yes, this could be a fantastic non-technical way to contribute
12:48:48 <stickster> Here's what I worry about, with all due respect but also candor... That some of us get buried by $dayjob, and that jakfrost (or someone) just "default inherits" all the work without meaning to
12:49:47 <stickster> I don't think we intend that to happen, but if we don't talk about the situation and figure out next steps, that is a real risk. Having someone take over purposely, as a goal, is great, but having them do it "because no one else can" is a recipe for burnout :-)
12:49:49 <asamalik> right, and I don't want anyone to feel pressured and feel like if they stop, they betrayed everyone and the Magazine dies :)
12:49:59 <stickster> Exactly
12:50:03 <jakfrost> stickster: that is going to always be the case. I think discourse move was good in that there are community members who would more if they knew how
12:50:27 <stickster> ^ jakfrost I agree. Getting things onto a web forum has *obviously* increased traffic
12:50:34 <stickster> One less thing for people to learn
12:50:41 <jakfrost> being more in their face by being at the discussion forum has opened them to comment on articles before they're written
12:51:17 <jakfrost> I see regulars there since I moderated before and still do now (joining magazine that is)
12:51:23 <stickster> We need to see if we can convert more of that interest into working on Magazine. We might want to look at whether current meeting time is good/bad for people who show up there.
12:51:54 <asamalik> and I feel like Magazine can't be put onto cruise control without someone keeping it alive (approving comments and proposals as the bare minimum)
12:52:06 <jakfrost> I think IRC is well known, meting commitment is sometimes impediment I think
12:52:34 <stickster> You're right asamalik and jakfrost -- if we need to change the way we're doing these meetings to accommodate more people we certainly can
12:52:42 <jakfrost> That was some of my thought about the schedule posting
12:52:44 <stickster> including schedule, *and* venue
12:52:54 <stickster> Anyway, that was it. I just wanted to be up front about what I perceive as a risk.
12:53:02 * bcotton swoops in way late
12:53:08 <bcotton> did someone say RISK?
12:53:16 <jakfrost> ?
12:53:19 <bcotton> (program managmenty music plays in the background)
12:53:22 <stickster> We can take this up *on Discourse* and that may be useful for people to chime in with what would help them make commitments and contribute
12:53:28 <asamalik> but maybe we could define the bare minimum to keep it alive, have someone (editor of the week) to keep it alive, and anyone else can help without feeling the pressure like they now need to keep this alive
12:53:48 <bcotton> but fr srs, another approach is to think about whether we want to have meetings be a place "decisions"get made at all.
12:53:59 <asamalik> the minimum could be 10 mins/day + 1 hour/week meeting
12:54:06 <bcotton> (and also, if we're committed to discourse, like we seem to be, we should shut off the mailing list)
12:54:25 <jakfrost> bcotton: good points
12:54:37 <asamalik> good point yeah
12:55:26 <asamalik> maybe we could have the minimum to be just approving comments and proposals, and updating a "rolling" publishing shedule by just adding posts to any future slot that's free
12:55:51 <bcotton> one possibility is that we discuss articles as they go in discourse and then when they're ready the EOW decides when to schedule them. not much need for synchronous discussion on that and in the rare cases there's an issue, that can be raised ahead of time or just defer the post until there's been a conversation
12:56:28 <jakfrost> Okay, that sounds pretty close to how we are currently
12:56:43 <jakfrost> How do things flow on Comm Ops
12:56:57 <bcotton> heh
12:57:04 <jakfrost> Pagure issues?
12:57:04 * asamalik notes we have ~3 mins left, but this is a great forum topic :)
12:57:20 <jakfrost> okay lets mobe it there
12:57:23 <jakfrost> move
12:57:29 <jakfrost> mobi
12:58:22 * asamalik is happy to start a thread for this one, too
12:58:26 <stickster> +1
12:59:30 <asamalik> all right, thanks everyone for coming and see you in the forum!
13:00:00 <asamalik> #endmeeting