15:00:09 <rlengland> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board 15:00:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Thu Sep 23 15:00:09 2021 UTC. 15:00:09 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:09 <zodbot> The chair is rlengland. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 15:00:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine_editorial_board' 15:00:20 <rlengland> #meetingname magazine 15:00:20 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'magazine' 15:00:30 <rlengland> #topic Roll call 15:00:30 <rlengland> #chair glb rlengland theevilskeleton cverna asamalik 15:00:30 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik cverna glb rlengland theevilskeleton 15:00:38 <rlengland> .hello2 15:00:39 <zodbot> rlengland: Something blew up, please try again 15:00:42 <zodbot> rlengland: An error has occurred and has been logged. 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Please contact this bot's administrator for more information. 15:01:28 <rlengland> #topic Agenda 15:01:39 <rlengland> #link https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fedora-magazine/workflow/ 15:01:49 <rlengland> #info -- 1/ Last week's stats -- 15:01:49 <rlengland> #info -- 2/ In progress followup -- 15:03:26 <rlengland> #info -- 3/ Finished articles to review -- 15:03:26 <rlengland> #info -- 4/ Articles to edit -- 15:03:26 <rlengland> #info -- 5/ Publishing schedule -- 15:03:26 <rlengland> #info -- 6/ Editor of the Week -- 15:03:26 <rlengland> #info -- 7/ Open floor -- 15:03:26 <rlengland> #topic 1/ Last week's stats 15:03:26 <rlengland> #info Week of September 13: 57.2K pageviews -- up a little over last week. Stable over the last 3 months at around ~50k 15:04:58 <TheEvilSkeleton> .hello theevilskeleton 15:05:01 <zodbot> TheEvilSkeleton: theevilskeleton 'Hari Rana' <theevilskeleton@riseup.net> 15:05:20 <rlengland> Good morning 15:05:25 <TheEvilSkeleton> Hi rlengland! 15:05:35 <TheEvilSkeleton> Good morning to you too 15:05:41 <rlengland> #topic 2/ In progress followup 15:05:42 <rlengland> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author? 15:05:42 <rlengland> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 15:06:59 <TheEvilSkeleton> We're done with PowerShell part 2 so we don't need to change anything 15:07:52 <rlengland> Very good. 15:08:26 <rlengland> The only thing I see In Progress that might move soon is Card #381 Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 35 Beta 15:08:43 <rlengland> The others are still very much in progress. 15:09:25 <rlengland> Things are rather slow and slim on pending articles 15:09:35 <rlengland> Moving on.. 15:09:56 <rlengland> #info Are there any upcoming test days? 15:09:56 <rlengland> #link https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/QA/ 15:09:56 <rlengland> #info Nothing for the next month 15:10:27 <rlengland> #info Beta release announcement Tue 2021-09-28 Card # 381 in place assigned to @mattdm Matthew Miller 15:10:27 <rlengland> #info Final release announcement Tue 2021-10-19 No card yet 15:10:28 <rlengland> #info What's new in F35 Workstation announcement Tue 2021-10-19 No card yet 15:11:23 <rlengland> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review 15:11:36 <rlengland> info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback. 15:11:36 <rlengland> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 15:12:34 <rlengland> #info @glb still has the two REVIEW articles assigned and scheduled but held until Oct. #359 #378 15:12:52 <rlengland> #info subtask on #269 #336 PowerShell on Linux scripting (Part 2) Scheduled for 24 Sep 15:13:12 <rlengland> TheEvilSkeleton: Thanks for your help on that one 15:13:43 <rlengland> #info subtask on #354 #365 Bash Shell Scripting for beginners (Part 1) subtask on #354 Scheduled for 27 Sep 15:14:17 <rlengland> #topic 4/ Articles to edit 15:14:17 <rlengland> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator. 15:14:17 <rlengland> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 15:14:36 <rlengland> #info #336 PowerShell on Linux scripting (Part 2) subtask on #269 Scheduled for 24 Sep 15:14:43 <TheEvilSkeleton> rlengland: No problem. I might have the time to edit an article or two today in the evening or tomorrow in the morning 15:14:54 <rlengland> #info #365 Bash Shell Scripting for beginners (Part 1) subtask on #354 Scheduled for 27 Sep 15:15:28 <TheEvilSkeleton> Brb 15:15:45 <rlengland> TheEvilSkeleton: Things are pretty slow. I don't see anything that isn't covered yet, unfortunatley 15:16:00 <rlengland> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule 15:16:00 <rlengland> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period. 15:16:00 <rlengland> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content. 15:16:00 <rlengland> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban 15:16:27 <rlengland> #proposed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Tue 28 Sep 2021: #381 Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 35 Beta (image: TBD, edit: TBD) -- Fri 01 Oct 2021: #359 MAKE more with Inkscape - Stroke Fonts (image: DONE, edit: @glb) -- Fri 22 Oct 2021: #378 MAKE MORE with Inkscape – Papercraft (image: DONE, edit: @glb) #336 PowerShell on Linux scripting (Part 2) Scheduled for 24 Sep AND #365 Bash Shell Scripting for beginners (Part 1) subtask on #354 15:16:27 <rlengland> Scheduled for 27 Sep 15:16:41 <rlengland> #info Note that the last two items in the PUBLISHING SCHEDULE were added because the sub task items, though in the review column, were not caught by the script. Implies we need a modification to the script or this is a reason not to use subtasks for serial articles. Think about it. 15:20:12 <rlengland> TheEvilSkeleton: :-) can I get a +1 on the schedule? I'll keep and eye on #381 (the beta release) 15:20:27 <rlengland> *an eye 15:22:16 <TheEvilSkeleton> I'm back 15:23:41 <TheEvilSkeleton> rlengland: Do you mean my work schedule? 15:24:32 <rlengland> oh no. :-) the publishing schedule above 15:25:08 <rlengland> You aren't assigned to anything but I thought I'd give you the chance to type "+1" :-) 15:25:39 <TheEvilSkeleton> Ah okay, I'm just reading through the messages 15:25:53 <TheEvilSkeleton> The lack of formatting makes it difficult to read 😅 15:26:02 <rlengland> I understand. It gets pretty dense 15:26:21 <TheEvilSkeleton> +1 15:26:30 <rlengland> TY 15:26:38 <rlengland> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Tue 28 Sep 2021: #381 Announcing the release of Fedora Linux 35 Beta (image: TBD, edit: TBD) -- Fri 01 Oct 2021: #359 MAKE more with Inkscape - Stroke Fonts (image: DONE, edit: @glb) -- Fri 22 Oct 2021: #378 MAKE MORE with Inkscape – Papercraft (image: DONE, edit: @glb) #336 PowerShell on Linux scripting (Part 2) Scheduled for 24 Sep AND #365 Bash Shell Scripting for beginners (Part 1) subtask on #354 15:26:38 <rlengland> Scheduled for 27 Sep 15:27:04 <rlengland> #topic 6/ Editor of the Week 15:27:06 <TheEvilSkeleton> No problem! 15:28:29 <rlengland> I guess I'll take Editor duties again. Things are slow enough and GLB is off on a break (though I see him sneaking back in occasionally) 15:28:39 <rlengland> #info rlengland will be Editor of the Week next week 15:30:03 <rlengland> #topic 7/ Open floor 15:30:30 <rlengland> I'm about to flood the channel with some info. Hold tight. 15:30:53 <rlengland> This is for the record 15:30:59 <rlengland> Topic is “How to handle serial articles” 15:30:59 <rlengland> Repeat from last week, for the record: 15:31:00 <rlengland> Not certain using subtasks for serial articles is going to work. I haven’t found a good way to make the status (In Progress, Review, To Edit) visible on the KanBan dashboard. You need to look at each card with sub-tasks to see what their status is. 15:31:00 <rlengland> Also it is possible to assign an editor to the main task as well as to the sub task. This might be handled by documentation but is also a bit confusing. (I fear we are starting to bend a tool to a task for which it was not designed and there could be a breaking point where there is more confusion than benefit. :-/ ) 15:31:02 <rlengland> NEW Issue for this on-going topic is mentioned above. The podman script “magazine-schedule” does not “see” items that are sub-tasks. 15:32:43 <rlengland> Bottom line is that unless we can get around some snags I'm not sure that the sub-tasks will be workable for serial articles. 15:33:06 <rlengland> More on this when GLB returns and we can have some more discussion 15:33:29 <rlengland> TheEviSkeleton: Any opinions? 15:35:09 <TheEvilSkeleton> What are serial articles? 15:36:17 <rlengland> :-) Look at #354 It was opened to cover a series of articles under that same topic. Your #269 is the same 15:37:34 <TheEvilSkeleton> Ah okay. I checked online at the same time 15:37:49 <rlengland> We have numbers assigned for the tasks but the tracking process we are currently using doesn't work well with them. 15:39:01 <rlengland> In the past we just created a new tag for each article and linked them by referencing the other articles in the cards. But that was prone to errors and was unweildy. 15:39:19 <rlengland> I'm not certain that using the subtask is any less unwieldy 15:39:20 <TheEvilSkeleton> Just to make sure I understand, sub-tasks on Taiga don't work well? 15:40:26 <rlengland> Yes we can't move the subtask to the different status columns and the script used to look at the publishing dates doesn't see the subtasks 15:42:04 <rlengland> For example on the PowerShell articles, they both have to be in the same state. Review or Edit even is if one has already changed 15:42:59 <rlengland> The various articles change state independently but they are tied to the main card. 15:43:42 <TheEvilSkeleton> rlengland: Yeah. My suggestion may be too unrealistic, but maybe switching to GitLab? I personally find GitLab much easier to use and it would allow us to do what we want. On top of that, GitLab is really friendly to FOSS organizations. 15:43:42 <TheEvilSkeleton> If that doesn't work, I guess what we can do is change titles to specify parts of the series, e.g. "Part 1: $ACTUAL_TITLE" 15:44:31 <TheEvilSkeleton> Of course, switching platforms is much easier said than done, hence "unrealistic" 15:44:51 <rlengland> Interesting idea, though. I'll have to think about that. 15:46:09 <rlengland> An alternative, if we can't move or run into a snag on GitLab is to do it by documenting the process. But that can be error prone too. The editing process has a lot of bells, knobs and levers to remember as it is. 15:46:13 <TheEvilSkeleton> Many organizations switched to GitLab, and that's because GitLab generally works well. And IMO, other projects may benefit from it because there's a lot less to maintain. GitLab has a Kanban board, issue tracker, etc. 15:46:45 <rlengland> I'll look into GitLab 15:47:14 <rlengland> Anything you want to discuss? We're reaching the end of our hour 15:48:24 <TheEvilSkeleton> I said what I thought. If GitLab doesn't work, I guess specifying the part number in the title is a good alternative 15:49:54 <rlengland> Okay. Thanks. If you can keep and eye on Taiga in case some articles come up for edit that you want to take, I would appreciate it. 15:50:02 <rlengland> Have a good week. 15:50:12 <TheEvilSkeleton> You too 15:50:25 <rlengland> #endmeeting