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15:00:15 <glb[m]> #meetingname magazine
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15:00:15 <glb[m]> #topic Roll call
15:00:15 <glb[m]> #chair glb rlengland theevilskeleton
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15:00:40 <glb[m]> .hello glb
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15:00:51 <RichardEngland[m> .hello2
15:00:52 <zodbot> RichardEngland[m: Error: Missing "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
15:00:56 <OnuralpSezer[m]> welp that bot :)
15:01:02 <OnuralpSezer[m]> nirik:  we need help over here :)
15:01:30 <nirik> whats going on?
15:03:13 <glb[m]> nb said last week that those hello commands weren't supper important. 🙂
15:03:13 <OnuralpSezer[m]> .fas thunderbirdtr
15:03:13 <nirik> I think I have seen this before, reloading something.
15:03:13 <glb[m]> We can proceed with the meeting without them, but if you guys want to troubleshoot that while the meeting is going, that's fine. 🙂
15:03:13 <glb[m]> moving along
15:03:13 <glb[m]> #topic Agenda... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/2cac4e5376eae9eaa9b69ea0180ecb50a7cb3384)
15:03:18 <zodbot> OnuralpSezer[m]: b"thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>"
15:03:19 <nirik> try now?
15:03:30 <RichardEngland[m> .hello2
15:03:30 <zodbot> RichardEngland[m: Error: Missing "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
15:03:32 <OnuralpSezer[m]> .hello thunderbirdtr
15:03:33 <zodbot> OnuralpSezer[m]: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
15:03:43 <OnuralpSezer[m]> .hello2 thunderbirdtr
15:03:46 <zodbot> OnuralpSezer[m]: Sorry, but user 'OnuralpSezer [m]' does not exist
15:03:52 <OnuralpSezer[m]> nirik:  thank you
15:04:02 <nirik> no prob, happy meeting.
15:04:02 <glb[m]> moving along
15:04:03 <glb[m]> #topic 1/ Last week's stats
15:04:17 <glb[m]> #info Week of Oct 18: 64.2K pageviews -- Trending up! People looking for F35?
15:04:33 <glb[m]> moving along
15:04:33 <glb[m]> #topic 2/ In progress followup
15:04:33 <glb[m]> #info Looking at the 'in progress' column, is there something that's been finished? Anything to follow up on with its author?
15:04:33 <glb[m]> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
15:05:27 <glb[m]> It looks like we only have 2 articles in the review column
15:06:07 <glb[m]> We usually want 3. I think the LVM article could be run if necessary.
15:06:35 <glb[m]> rlengland: are any of the other articles close to ready that you know of?
15:06:48 <RichardEngland[m> In Progress or in Review ?
15:07:01 <glb[m]> in the in progress column
15:07:25 <RichardEngland[m> I don't believe so
15:08:23 <glb[m]> Well, I think we are OK for this week. Next week might be difficult though if more articles don't start moving. I guess we'll just keep an eye on them for now.
15:08:44 <glb[m]> moving along
15:08:45 <glb[m]> #info Are there any upcoming test days?
15:08:45 <glb[m]> #link https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/QA/
15:09:13 <glb[m]> It doesn't look like there are any upcoming test days.
15:09:18 <glb[m]> moving along
15:09:18 <glb[m]> #info Review release schedule
15:09:19 <glb[m]> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-35/f-35-magazine-tasks.html
15:10:07 <glb[m]> There are upcoming releases, but I think Ben said that he would take care of most of that. 🤞
15:10:33 <RichardEngland[m> #151 is probably ready for editing
15:11:17 <glb[m]> I may need to update the sidebar, but that can be done after the fact.
15:11:20 <glb[m]> moving along
15:11:21 <glb[m]> #topic 3/ Finished articles to review
15:11:21 <glb[m]> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to edit' (finished) or to the 'in progress' (needs more work) and provide feedback.
15:11:21 <glb[m]> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
15:11:36 <glb[m]> rlengland: are you volunteering to take #151?
15:11:48 <RichardEngland[m> sure
15:13:01 <glb[m]> OK. It looks like TheEvilSkeleton has already taken care of editing #391, but I'll take care of making sure that it goes to publication.
15:13:53 <glb[m]> That gives us two articles for next week.
15:14:18 <RichardEngland[m> Is release still on target? I've lost track
15:14:25 <glb[m]> Like I said earlier, I might try to move the LVM article along if something else doesn't come up before the end of next week.
15:14:57 <glb[m]> Well, I think they just move the target if necessary. 🙂
15:15:07 <RichardEngland[m> 😕
15:15:24 <RichardEngland[m> (that was huge)
15:15:35 <glb[m]> I think their "go/no-go" meeting happens right after this meeting in one of the other channels.
15:16:28 <TheEvilSkeleton> .hello2
15:16:29 <zodbot> TheEvilSkeleton: theevilskeleton 'Hari Rana' <theevilskeleton@riseup.net>
15:16:42 <OnuralpSezer[m]> it is no at the moment and already shift  also  4 blockers (https://qa.fedoraproject.org/blockerbugs/milestone/35/final/buglist)
15:16:47 * glb[m] gets the impression that rlengland is really bummed out! 🙂
15:16:58 <OnuralpSezer[m]> glb:  ^^
15:17:10 <glb[m]> Hey TheEvilSkeleton!
15:17:11 <RichardEngland[m> Not really, just thinking that takes care of a few articles 🙂
15:17:21 <glb[m]> .hello glb
15:17:22 <zodbot> glb[m]: glb 'Gregory Bartholomew' <gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com>
15:17:41 <RichardEngland[m> IT'S ALIVE!
15:17:46 <TheEvilSkeleton> glb[m]: Hello!
15:17:48 <glb[m]> Thanks for the info Onuralp Sezer!
15:18:12 <TheEvilSkeleton> <glb[m]> "OK. It looks like TheEvilSkeleto..." <- Yes
15:19:00 <glb[m]> TheEvilSkeleton: since you are here, do you want to take care of making sure that #391 gets scheduled and published?
15:19:50 <glb[m]> moving along
15:19:51 <glb[m]> #topic 4/ Articles to edit
15:19:51 <glb[m]> #info Looking at the 'to edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
15:19:51 <glb[m]> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
15:20:46 <TheEvilSkeleton> glb[m]: At what time do you want to publish it?
15:21:37 <glb[m]> TheEvilSkeleton: how about Monday?
15:21:58 <TheEvilSkeleton> Sure, that works
15:22:06 <glb[m]> It looks like editors are already assigned for all the cards in the to-edit column, so ...
15:22:09 <glb[m]> moving along
15:22:10 <glb[m]> #topic 5/ Publishing schedule
15:22:10 <glb[m]> #info Looking at the 'queued' and 'to edit' columns, decide the publishing schedule for the next week period.
15:22:10 <glb[m]> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in progress' or even the 'article spec' columns come up with additional content.
15:22:10 <glb[m]> #link Board: https://teams.fedoraproject.org/project/asamalik-fedora-magazine/kanban
15:22:19 <glb[m]> Thanks TheEvilSkeleton !
15:23:40 <glb[m]> Richard England: do you think you can get #151 ready by Wednesday?
15:23:49 <RichardEngland[m> Yes
15:24:21 <glb[m]> Excellent. So ...
15:24:23 <glb[m]> agreed ?
15:24:26 <glb[m]> #proposed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 29 Oct 2021: #401 Interview about VR on Linux (editor: @rlengland) | Mon 01 Nov 2021: #391 Multiple Matrix sessions with Element on Fedora Linux (editor: TBD) | Wed 03 Nov 2021: #151 Reconfiguring Virtual Machines with Cockpit (editor: @rlengland)
15:24:53 <RichardEngland[m> +1
15:24:57 <glb[m]> I guess TheEvilSkeleton already gave his +1. 🙂
15:25:08 <glb[m]> agreed !
15:25:09 <glb[m]> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: Fri 29 Oct 2021: #401 Interview about VR on Linux (editor: @rlengland) | Mon 01 Nov 2021: #391 Multiple Matrix sessions with Element on Fedora Linux (editor: TBD) | Wed 03 Nov 2021: #151 Reconfiguring Virtual Machines with Cockpit (editor: @rlengland)
15:25:16 <glb[m]> moving along
15:25:17 <glb[m]> #topic 6/ Editor of the Week
15:25:49 <glb[m]> Since I didn't take any articles this time, it only seems fair. 🙂
15:25:59 <glb[m]> #info glb will be editor of the week next week.
15:26:13 <glb[m]> moving along
15:26:14 <glb[m]> #topic 7/ Open floor
15:27:02 <glb[m]> OK, so the big item for us at the moment is: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/retiring-taiga-instance-on-teams-fedoraproject-org/
15:27:10 <TheEvilSkeleton> glb[m]: I scheduled it in 01/11/2021 and moved the card to `scheduled`
15:27:24 <glb[m]> Thanks TheEvilSkeleton!
15:27:38 <TheEvilSkeleton> No problem, can one of you double check?
15:28:01 <glb[m]> Sure. I'll double check things after the meeting. 🙂
15:28:39 <glb[m]> Richard England: do you have any thoughts about moving to a new Kanban system?
15:29:33 <RichardEngland[m> From what you sent me in the training YouTube no. The only concern is moving the outstanding tickets ( and perhaps history ) over to a new system
15:29:53 <glb[m]> I was think about that too.
15:29:55 <RichardEngland[m> But you seem to have at least some limited experience with Pagure
15:30:25 <RichardEngland[m> so I lean on your effort. It's an unknown to me
15:30:39 <ahmedalmeleh> I'm waiting for my go/no go at 17:00 UTC
15:30:48 <glb[m]> I wonder if we should try to switch to a new system as soon as possible so that things can transition more gradually rather than having to move everything at once.
15:31:18 <RichardEngland[m> That would be good. But do we run in parallel for some time?
15:31:40 <RichardEngland[m> managing 2 systems could be challenging
15:31:40 <glb[m]> ahmedalmeleh: so are you saying that there is still a chance that the release might happen next week?
15:32:08 <ahmedalmeleh> I am not sure we don't get told until the meeting ends
15:32:46 <glb[m]> Richard England: I guess so. What do you think is better -- trying to switch everything at once or trying to run two systems?
15:33:32 <ahmedalmeleh> I hope so though we need our new features! and WirePlumber
15:33:57 <RichardEngland[m> ....probably 2 systems since the authors will only typically be using one. Most don't have more than article going at a time os they only need to use one at a time
15:34:21 <ahmedalmeleh> Are you the mag guys?
15:35:01 <glb[m]> ahmedalmeleh: From the magazine comments, I think a lot of people are anxious for the new release. But maybe those people can make do with the beta for now. I wouldn't want to rush things personally.
15:35:30 <ahmedalmeleh> I do get your point
15:35:33 <glb[m]> Richard England: sounds good to me.
15:36:02 <glb[m]> So I guess the next question is how do we coordinate the switchover between us?
15:36:23 <ahmedalmeleh> I'm actually new and do QA mainly I do like iso image tests.
15:36:26 <glb[m]> ahmedalmeleh: Yes, we are the mag guys. 🙂
15:37:09 <OnuralpSezer[m]> glb instead of switch deeply maybe use "free instance of taiga" If others not okay for you ?
15:37:21 <RichardEngland[m> If we run in parallel we can transition as new articles come in. This may be when all the stalled in "spec" articles get pruned
15:37:21 <OnuralpSezer[m]> * glb:   instead
15:37:49 <glb[m]> Onuralp Sezer: the free instance won't support FAS accounts.
15:38:01 <OnuralpSezer[m]> glb:  I just thought that , true*
15:38:14 <RichardEngland[m> BTW (oh look a chicken) #405 is in progress
15:38:15 <glb[m]> Trying to coordinate multiple account systems with new users doesn't sound ideal to the workflow to me.
15:38:26 <OnuralpSezer[m]> glb:  then adapt pagure ?
15:38:33 <OnuralpSezer[m]> at least safer ?
15:38:34 <glb[m]> Also, it complicates things like trying to verify that they've signed the FPCA.
15:38:49 <OnuralpSezer[m]> can even use "issue" as a tracker too ?
15:38:56 * glb[m] looks at #405
15:39:03 <RichardEngland[m> Onuralp Sezer: Pagure is the plan d'jour
15:40:03 <glb[m]> Onuralp Sezer: is the OpenFOAM article yours?
15:40:31 <glb[m]> If so, and it is being worked on, we should move it to the in progress column.
15:41:07 <glb[m]> Onuralp Sezer: Yes, I think pagure is the way we will have to go.
15:42:02 <OnuralpSezer[m]> glb yes
15:42:47 <OnuralpSezer[m]> glb[m]: I have even good news, ('Im working on that package into fedora repo instead of copr, inside of openfoam development)
15:43:22 <glb[m]> Richard England: to coordinate progress with the changeover, I suggest we leaver messages for each other in the Fedora Magazine chatroom. Since Matrix keeps history, I think we should be able to check on things asynchronously.
15:43:28 <OnuralpSezer[m]> If progress takes a little long I'm gonna put copr then ask for edit after it is moved into repo
15:44:23 <glb[m]> Thanks Onuralp Sezer. I'm going to move your card to the in progress column since you seem to be making progress with it. 🙂
15:44:32 <RichardEngland[m> glb: The chat room sounds okay to me.   Is there anything in the APIs of each tool that would automate the transfer of article specs from Taiga
15:46:06 <glb[m]> Richard England: Yes, I think reading from Taiga is certainly possible. I'm less certain about writing to Pagure, but I can experiment with it and let you know what I find in the chat room. We may not have to do too much manual copying.
15:46:15 <OnuralpSezer[m]> glb[m]: yes, thank you
15:47:15 <RichardEngland[m> If we need to move manually then a pruning sounds "expeditious"
15:49:25 <glb[m]> I think I could script the reading and writing of the card titles and authors. Other things like the comments may not be possible to transfer though. Do you think that will be a problem?
15:50:03 <glb[m]> I think the subtasks would also have to be dealt with manually.
15:50:25 <RichardEngland[m> The title in some cases may not be enough to reconstruct some of those.
15:50:53 <glb[m]> Well, I think I might be able to copy the discussion link, so maybe that would be enough?
15:51:37 <RichardEngland[m> Sub tasks may not be needed if we don't add anymore for serial articles and the discussion link would be good. The description would be helpful
15:51:54 <glb[m]> The bulk of the cards are in the spec column and I think just the titles would be enough for those.
15:52:09 <glb[m]> Maybe manually dealing with the rest wouldn't be too bad.
15:52:38 <glb[m]> especially if we stop adding new cards to the existing system right away.
15:53:21 <glb[m]> Oh, yeah, the description is required on the pagure cards.
15:53:37 <glb[m]> So I will have to try to get those.
15:54:13 <RichardEngland[m> If we don't do any serial articles as subtasks that may go away if the one current one is finished before we have to move. It looks like it may be headed that way
15:54:38 <glb[m]> Yeah, that will help for sure.
15:55:39 <glb[m]> I'll spend some time experimenting with scripts tonight and I'll leave a message in the Fedora Magazine chatroom to let you know how it is going.
15:55:51 <glb[m]> It looks like we are about out of time for this meeting.
15:55:54 <RichardEngland[m> Sounds like a plan
15:56:00 <glb[m]> Any other thoughts for now?
15:56:17 <RichardEngland[m> Nothing further. Thanks for running the meeting
15:56:25 <glb[m]> no problem.
15:56:33 <glb[m]> Thanks all!
15:56:37 <glb[m]> #endmeeting