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16:00:02 <glb> #meetingname magazine
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16:00:02 <glb> #topic roll call
16:00:02 <glb> #chair zinebot glb rlengland theevilskeleton
16:00:02 <zodbot> Current chairs: glb rlengland theevilskeleton zinebot
16:00:12 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:00:13 <glb> #topic agenda... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a8cf2992ea5d0e8d2a41d5021995248fed6e5306)
16:00:21 <glb> .hello glb
16:00:21 <zodbot> glb: glb 'Gregory Bartholomew' <gregory.lee.bartholomew@gmail.com>
16:00:46 <RichardEngland[m> .hello rlengland
16:00:49 <zodbot> RichardEngland[m: rlengland 'Richard England' <rlengland@gmail.com>
16:01:02 <glb> o/ Richard
16:01:15 <RichardEngland[m> o/
16:01:18 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:01:18 <glb> #topic 1/ last week's stats
16:01:28 <glb> #info Week of Nov 29: 66.6K pageviews -- up slightly from the previous week
16:01:34 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:01:37 <glb> #topic 2/ articles in progress... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/b60fc3e5ef54809947cb9b54bd4b50b9f51b0316)
16:02:18 <glb> I'm getting my zinebot helper more and more tied into Pagure.
16:02:31 <RichardEngland[m> Whoa that was good!
16:02:37 <glb> I have to say, the Pagure API is great!
16:03:07 <glb> But we need to remember that we still have a few cards in Taiga too. 🙂
16:03:15 <RichardEngland[m> ...for a while
16:03:24 <RichardEngland[m> no movement there.
16:03:33 <bytehackr> \o
16:04:25 <glb> So do you think we need to go through these cards now or would you rather do that asynchronously latter and leave more time for the open floor?
16:04:48 <RichardEngland[m> I pinged everyone
16:04:57 <glb> o/ bytehackr
16:04:59 <RichardEngland[m> no response when I checked this morning
16:05:35 <glb> Sounds like you've already done the lion's share of the work then. 🙂
16:05:41 <glb> rlengland++
16:06:07 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:06:07 <glb> #info Are there any upcoming test days?
16:06:07 <glb> #link https://calendar.fedoraproject.org/QA/
16:06:15 <glb> 🔹 show testdays
16:06:16 <glb> no test days found between 2021-12-05 and 2021-12-26
16:06:32 <glb> 😮‍💨
16:06:53 <glb> I was hoping we might get some content there. 🙂
16:07:00 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:07:01 <glb> #info Check the release schedule.
16:07:01 <glb> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-36/f-36-magazine-tasks.html
16:07:01 <RichardEngland[m> so was I
16:07:18 <glb> 🔹 show schedule
16:07:19 <glb> Tue 08 Mar 2022: Prepare Beta release announcement... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/68f9335095b9580f78be17d398a44e700e5a449a)
16:07:20 <copperi[m]> holiday season
16:07:57 <RichardEngland[m> ...and end of term and end of year...
16:08:07 <glb> copperi: Yeah. Hopefully people who read the Magazine understand that.
16:08:49 <glb> At the same time though, it might be a good time to attract readers because people have more free time to read the articles.
16:09:19 <glb> I'd be great if we could publish some exiting new news or FOSS at this time.
16:09:29 <glb> Oh well.
16:09:35 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:09:38 <glb> #topic 3/ articles to review
16:09:38 <glb> #info Looking at the 'review' column, let's decide which articles are good to go. Move each either to the 'to-edit' (finished) column or to the 'in-progress' (needs more work) column and provide feedback.
16:09:38 <glb> #link board: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-newsroom/boards/articles
16:09:38 <glb> no cards found in the 'review' column
16:10:16 <RichardEngland[m> Same for Taiga
16:10:35 <glb> Thanks for checking RIchard! 🙂
16:11:07 <glb> Also, you deserve a promotion for all the work you've been doing moving content from Taiga to Pagure.
16:11:17 <RichardEngland[m> Toldja  I was ready 🙂
16:11:35 <RichardEngland[m> Double my salary
16:11:42 <glb> And you've even been updating the Docs!
16:12:16 <glb> @mattdm: tripple rlengland's his salary! 🙂
16:12:17 <RichardEngland[m> Once I figured out how to do git (again)
16:12:34 <RichardEngland[m> ..with your help
16:12:40 <glb> s/his//
16:13:13 <glb> Nah, you don't need me. You'll be running this place before long. 🙂
16:13:23 <RichardEngland[m> ...don't even go there.
16:13:26 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:13:29 <glb> #topic 4/ articles to edit
16:13:29 <glb> #info Looking at the 'to-edit' column, assign an editor and a cover image creator.
16:13:29 <glb> #link board: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-newsroom/boards/articles
16:13:29 <glb> 058: Interview with Georges Basile Stavracas about OBS Studio on Linux https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-newsroom/issue/58 (to-edit)
16:13:41 <RichardEngland[m> We need to recruit some extra hands, ... and writers
16:14:08 <RichardEngland[m> 058 is scheduled in WP
16:14:45 <RichardEngland[m> Should we be moving them to that column when that happens?
16:15:25 <glb> How did captain Kirk put it -- "Officer thinking lieutenant"?
16:15:42 <glb> I'm not sure how all the ranks go.
16:16:21 <RichardEngland[m> (maybe ensign)
16:16:24 <glb> Yes, move the cards to the scheduled column as soon as you hit the "schedule" button in WordPress.
16:17:15 <RichardEngland[m> 👍️.
16:17:44 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:17:45 <glb> #topic 5/ publishing schedule
16:17:45 <glb> #info Looking at the 'to-edit' column, decide the publishing schedule for the upcomming week.
16:17:45 <glb> #info If there is not enough content, we might also need to look at the 'in-progress' or even the 'ideas' columns come up with additional content.
16:17:45 <glb> #link board: https://pagure.io/fedora-magazine-newsroom/boards/articles
16:17:58 <glb> So, what are we going to do?
16:18:19 <RichardEngland[m> pass back to the keeper and start a new attack
16:18:52 <RichardEngland[m> Is there a process for finding the most viewed articles?
16:19:07 <RichardEngland[m> ...to rerun or perhap just list?
16:19:22 <glb> I know it's been done before. But I've never done it.
16:19:43 <RichardEngland[m> Manually it could be a bear to sort through
16:20:53 <glb> So I guess at least one of us should look up some of those old "Top N posts in Fedora Magazine this year" (or however the title goes) articles and try to replicate a few of them for the upcoming week.
16:21:09 <RichardEngland[m> Would it be worth it to do a short article indicating the move to Pagure?
16:21:30 <RichardEngland[m> ...all of three paragraphs?
16:21:32 <glb> I think there are views in WordPress's Jetpack plugin that will show hitcounts for the whole year.
16:21:46 <glb> Sure!
16:22:19 <glb> Also seem like a good place to mention that we are always looking for more writers and editors. 🙂
16:22:31 <glb> Are you up to writing that for the coming week?
16:22:44 <glb> s/seem/seems/
16:23:17 <RichardEngland[m> ...I can give it a try.  How technical do we want to get?
16:24:14 <glb> Whatever. It doesn't matter to me. I'm guessing our target audience would like things somewhat technical.
16:24:47 <RichardEngland[m> feed me any ideas you come up with and I'll see if I can do it justice.
16:25:18 <glb> I'm guess it would be a sort of "Behind the scenes at Fedora Magazine ..." article.
16:25:31 <glb> s/guess/guessing/
16:26:05 <RichardEngland[m> 👍️.
16:26:22 <glb> OK Then.
16:26:52 <glb> #action rlengland to whip up a "Behind the scenes at Fedora Magazine" article for next week.
16:27:47 <RichardEngland[m> FWIW:  https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/admin.php?page=stats&view=postviews&summarize&numdays=365
16:29:59 <glb> #proposed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: next week 007: Behind the scenes at Fedora Magazine (editor: rlengland) sometime next week | next week 000: Top posts for 2021 (editor: glb)
16:31:05 <glb> #agreed PUBLISHING SCHEDULE: next week: 007 Behind the scenes at Fedora Magazine (editor: rlengland) sometime next week | next week: 000 Top posts for 2021 (editor: glb)
16:31:20 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:31:20 <glb> #topic 6/ editor of the week
16:31:31 <glb> 🔹 king glb
16:31:32 <glb> #info glb will be editor of the week next week🔸
16:31:54 <glb> 'enery the 8th I am I am 😛
16:32:10 <glb> 🔹 next topic
16:32:10 <glb> #topic 7/ open floor
16:32:28 <RichardEngland[m> ...that showed your age or your interest in old pop music
16:32:56 <RichardEngland[m> Transitioning cards to Pagure is close to done.... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/a1e5cfc7e7165ebe68bd700d1fcd484a070bfdd5)
16:33:38 <RichardEngland[m> (end wall of text)
16:34:09 <glb> It all looks good to me.
16:34:43 <RichardEngland[m> I'm going to move the single "Article Spec" over today but I'm wondering , given it's age, if it isn't just stalled
16:35:20 <glb> I'm guessing it is stalled.
16:35:45 <glb> I think the author is quite busy with lots of projects throughout Fedora.
16:35:53 <RichardEngland[m> Got any feelings on when the other's should move?
16:36:26 <RichardEngland[m> none of them have responded to my pings
16:36:31 <glb> After another year in stalled, move it back to ideas so someone else can (potentially) take the topic.
16:37:06 <glb> As for the other stuff, maybe it should go straight to stalled on Pagure as well.
16:37:47 <glb> The only difference between stalled and 'in-progress' is whether we want to have to go through them during the meetings.
16:38:15 <glb> If the author's have been unresponsive for a while, we shouldn't tie up meeting time reviewing them each week.
16:38:40 <RichardEngland[m> They but two are all relatively young so I was just going to move them to the corresponding columns then wait for next week
16:39:09 <glb> The 'stalled' status also starts a one-year countdown timer after which they get moved back to ideas.
16:39:34 <glb> Waiting for next week is fine too.
16:40:38 <glb> I think how aggressive we want to be at moving things from in-progress to stalled is partly determined by the length of the in-progress column.
16:40:56 <glb> When in-progress gets too long, we need to do some weeding.
16:41:07 <RichardEngland[m> We can shift them if it looks like I make a bad call.
16:41:08 <RichardEngland[m> Can the writers assign them selves to a card or is that an admin function?
16:41:32 <glb> I think the writers can assign themselves.
16:42:23 <glb> Is everything going OK with the documentation updates?
16:42:59 <RichardEngland[m> At this point yes.  I've yet to test the preview operation but I'll get to that today or tomorrow.
16:43:50 <RichardEngland[m> I think I'm going to start moving the In Progress over to Pagure today
16:44:14 <glb> The preview function is important. We don't want to accidentally corrupt the live site. 🙂
16:44:35 <RichardEngland[m> Agreed.
16:45:27 <glb> So I think step 6 (publish) should be removed from the documentation.
16:46:01 <glb> It was the archived column on Taiga, but "scheduled" is now working as the closed/archived status on Pagure.
16:46:33 <glb> Too many column in Pagure makes the cards narrower and harder to read.
16:46:39 <RichardEngland[m> okay. I wondered about that but was focused on changing to Pagure
16:47:07 <RichardEngland[m> so process is TO-EDIT  -->  SCHEDULED
16:48:05 <glb> Yep. Basically WordPress takes it from there automatically. So I don't think we need another documented state.
16:48:18 <glb> Unless you see a reason for it?
16:48:29 <RichardEngland[m> Not really.
16:48:45 <RichardEngland[m> I've also been removing references to alternatives to using WP
16:49:34 <glb> I'm not sure what that is. But I'll go along with whatever you think is best.
16:50:33 <RichardEngland[m> We have to publish in WP so regardless of where they doing the initial writing it has to go there.
16:50:48 <RichardEngland[m> I wrote my article in Vim then moved it
16:51:18 <glb> Yeah, I don't think we should be documenting vim in the magazine documentation. 🙂
16:51:46 <RichardEngland[m> ...I wouldn't propose it, nor would I propose EMACS
16:52:25 <glb> Well, it sounds (and looks) like you have things well under control.
16:52:43 <RichardEngland[m> The way it was phrased it sounded like there was a WP alternative
16:52:51 <glb> So do you want me to update the workflow image on the documentation site?
16:52:52 <RichardEngland[m> Didn't want to lead anyone on.
16:53:16 <RichardEngland[m> Yes update the image would be good
16:53:24 <glb> OK.
16:53:45 <glb> #action: glb to update workflow image on mag docs
16:54:57 <glb> Be warned that if I start making changes, you will (might) start getting merge conflicts with your changes unless you remember to resync your local repo with the upstream master.
16:55:15 <RichardEngland[m> I've been resyncing like a fool
16:55:28 <glb> 👍️
16:55:47 <glb> Anything else?
16:56:01 <RichardEngland[m> Nope.  Time to go move some cards  🙂
16:56:15 <glb> Sounds great!
16:56:25 <RichardEngland[m> Have a good week.
16:56:31 <glb> You too!
16:56:35 <glb> #endmeeting