20:04:26 <ryanlerch> #startmeeting Magazine editorial board
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20:04:38 <ryanlerch> #topic roll call
20:04:47 <ryanlerch> .hello ryanlerch
20:04:49 <zodbot> ryanlerch: ryanlerch 'Ryan Lerch' <rlerch@redhat.com>
20:04:53 <cverna> hello o/
20:04:56 <sub_pop> .hello linkdupont
20:04:57 <zodbot> sub_pop: linkdupont 'Link Dupont' <link@sub-pop.net>
20:05:11 <ryanlerch> x3mboy: stickster: meeting time!
20:05:31 <stickster> ryanlerch: SO SORRY!
20:05:31 <x3mboy> .hello2
20:05:32 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
20:05:37 <stickster> .hello pfrields
20:05:38 <zodbot> stickster: pfrields 'Paul W. Frields' <stickster@gmail.com>
20:05:44 <ryanlerch> hey cverna sub_pop x3mboy
20:06:03 <cverna> morning ryanlerch :)
20:06:08 <x3mboy> ryanlerch, how are you man?
20:06:27 * stickster waves too... ryanlerch, if you chair me I'm still good to run the meeting.
20:06:27 <ryanlerch> stickster: :D all good! i know a little bit about meeting times :D
20:06:28 <x3mboy> cverna, o/
20:06:32 <x3mboy> stickster, o/
20:06:37 * ryanlerch hands the reigns over to stickster
20:06:41 <stickster> My apologies, everyone
20:06:59 <ryanlerch> #chair stickster
20:06:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: ryanlerch stickster
20:07:06 <stickster> #chair x3mboy cverna sub_pop
20:07:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: cverna ryanlerch stickster sub_pop x3mboy
20:07:09 <cverna> x3mboy: o/
20:07:19 <stickster> OK, let's hop into stats since I made us run late
20:07:29 <stickster> #topic Last week's stats
20:08:00 <stickster> #info Week of May 7: > 76.8K page views -- which is very good!
20:08:21 <stickster> Some of that is leftover from release week, surely. But still nice to ride the wave :-)
20:08:45 <stickster> We have a little kick this week from the DHCP vulnerability post I did yesterday
20:08:53 <sub_pop> That's great. I like having more release week content, like the Modularity article.
20:09:07 <ryanlerch> yeah, all weekdays are over 10K/DAY which is awesome
20:09:43 <ryanlerch> tis a release month, but may is already > april!
20:10:10 <stickster> Month of May 2018 is doing pretty well so far, but we need a real boost if we want to top the 389K from November 2017
20:10:16 <cverna> yes it is making up for april not being super good :)
20:10:54 <stickster> ryanlerch: we need to whip up fake news about GNOME, a new security vulnerability, and the Kardashians
20:10:56 <sub_pop> What's the total for May so far?
20:11:08 <stickster> sub_pop: So far, ~251.8K
20:11:08 <ryanlerch> 251K
20:11:24 <ryanlerch> average daily for the year is 9,666
20:11:37 <ryanlerch> last years was 8620
20:11:38 <sgallagh> Whenever the "pitch" topic comes up, we're planning on submitting another Modularity article sometime next week or the week after with a HOWTO for end-users.
20:11:51 <sgallagh> (I might not be around when you get there, so I figured I'd mention it now)
20:12:00 <sub_pop> Awesome
20:12:08 <x3mboy> That's super cool!
20:12:08 <stickster> sgallagh: Thanks, will ping when we get there just in case
20:12:14 <sgallagh> ack
20:12:15 <cverna> sgallagh++
20:12:15 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for sgallagh changed to 7 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:12:17 <stickster> sgallagh++
20:12:18 <zodbot> stickster: Karma for sgallagh changed to 8 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:12:22 <stickster> COOKIE PARTY
20:12:27 <ryanlerch> sgallagh: if you havent already, just post a picth artcile in the mag too
20:12:34 <x3mboy> sgallagh++
20:12:35 <ryanlerch> that way we will get to it :D
20:12:35 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for sgallagh changed to 9 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:12:44 <x3mboy> Cool!
20:12:48 <stickster> https://media3.giphy.com/media/xT0xeMA62E1XIlup68/giphy.gif
20:13:11 <stickster> So there's nothing in pending review, let's look at drafts
20:13:15 <stickster> #topic Drafts to review
20:13:24 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=draft&post_type=post
20:13:25 <ryanlerch> in Australia, he is the Bitcuit Monster
20:13:33 <ryanlerch> *Biscuit
20:13:49 <stickster> #info --- Cassandra ---
20:13:51 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21218&preview=1&_ppp=aecb5610d8
20:13:52 <sub_pop> o_O So he sings "B is for Biscuit"?
20:13:54 * cverna was wondering what was a Bitcuit :P
20:14:11 <stickster> At least the song still works
20:14:12 * ryanlerch jokes -- he is the cookie monster too :D
20:14:28 <sub_pop> Hahah thank goodness. Ok, we can continue.
20:14:30 <stickster> So this Cassandra article is a bit lengthy, but boy, is it GOOD
20:15:10 <sub_pop> Is there a place to split it into a two-parter?
20:15:25 <stickster> sub_pop: Yes
20:15:36 <x3mboy> I think the first link "Apache Cassandra" should point to the project page and not to wikipedia
20:15:38 <stickster> There's a natural divide partway through where it starts to cover a Cassandra *cluster*
20:15:43 <ryanlerch> the rest looks okay, but the first para is verbatum from the cassandra website
20:15:45 <stickster> x3mboy: sure, we can take care of that in editing
20:15:48 <x3mboy> http://cassandra.apache.org/
20:15:52 <stickster> ryanlerch: whoops, ugh
20:16:04 <x3mboy> But it's really good
20:16:05 <ryanlerch> we should get that rewritten, or attribute
20:16:46 <stickster> Yeah, taken from Wikipedia actually
20:17:00 <sub_pop> The end bit asking for feedback might need to be reworked to be less 2nd-person too.
20:17:02 <stickster> That actually means it's OK for us to use but we'd have to attribute it
20:17:07 <stickster> I'd like it to be original too :-)
20:17:36 <ryanlerch> stickster: you are right -- i assumed the forst google hit was the main website, sorry!
20:17:38 <stickster> sub_pop: I'm always iffy about asking for feedback or maintainers. That's not really a Magazine role
20:17:47 <stickster> sub_pop: So I agree with you, plus some
20:18:29 <ryanlerch> TBH, i think the length is ok on this one
20:18:31 <stickster> Also it usually results in people sending feedback to the Magazine and not the author/group... like "This dosn't work"
20:18:40 <stickster> ryanlerch: Would you rather keep as one article?
20:19:01 <sub_pop> It could work as one. Maybe cut the part about running cassandra in a container?
20:19:04 <ryanlerch> it'saimed at a smaller audience to begin with, so a percentage will probably not get past the into
20:19:21 <cverna> this feels like a 10 min read or so
20:19:25 <stickster> ryanlerch: sub_pop had suggested breaking it in two... it could be an intro, and then as a cluster/in a container
20:19:37 <stickster> ryanlerch: that's true
20:20:01 * stickster is OK either way, only +0.3 on splitting
20:20:11 <x3mboy> +1 in splitting
20:20:14 <x3mboy> It's really long
20:20:18 <stickster> what do you guys say? Split it? +1/-1
20:20:32 <ryanlerch> -1
20:20:41 * stickster can see the ryanlerch point about keeping it useful for the narrow audience it's aimed at
20:20:55 <cverna> I would -1 too, for the audience
20:20:56 <stickster> well "narrow" as in, people who are interested in a NoSQL db server
20:20:58 <sub_pop> What makes it long to you, x3mboy?
20:21:14 <ryanlerch> that and two artilces on the same topic adds extra weight to the topic too
20:21:45 <x3mboy> sub_pop, maybe the way headers weere used
20:21:54 <stickster> lol
20:22:00 <x3mboy> It really looks like Clustering is a completely different topic
20:22:19 <sub_pop> Hm. Maybe some heavy editing could make it a single article then.
20:22:33 <stickster> Yeah, there's some edits needed for that possibly, but there's enough language fixes needed it shouldn't be hard
20:22:50 <stickster> In general the content is GREAT though
20:22:56 <x3mboy> That's true
20:23:06 <stickster> who didn't vote? sub_pop
20:23:22 <sub_pop> lol ±1
20:23:25 <stickster> LOL
20:23:35 <ryanlerch> lolz
20:23:35 <cverna> sub_pop++
20:23:35 <zodbot> cverna: Karma for linkdupont changed to 4 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:23:49 <cverna> best vote ever :)
20:23:51 <stickster> OK, I was on the fence too. If neither of us cares, it's -2, +1 to split. So let's keep it together.
20:23:57 <sub_pop> I honestly could go either way.
20:24:00 <stickster> me too
20:24:09 <stickster> #agreed keep Cassandra article as one unit
20:24:21 <stickster> I'll take action to edit this, I missed last week and owe some work here ;-)
20:24:40 <stickster> #acton stickster edit the Cassandra article and set up for publishing
20:24:43 <stickster> oh crap
20:24:47 <stickster> #action stickster edit the Cassandra article and set up for publishing
20:24:56 <stickster> Then I'll go eat a bitcuit
20:25:03 <stickster> ;-D
20:25:37 <ryanlerch> lolz
20:25:56 <stickster> That's it for drafts :-\
20:26:06 <sub_pop> :(
20:26:08 <stickster> sub_pop: Should we talk about this GEGL placeholder?
20:26:19 <sub_pop> Wait, which one?
20:26:21 <stickster> Is that more of a pitch?
20:26:41 <stickster> #info --- GEGL ---
20:26:41 <sub_pop> Maybe that's another duplicate draft.
20:26:42 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21186&preview=1&_ppp=83ba567cb8
20:26:46 <ryanlerch> i can get the audacity one ready for this week too if we need it
20:27:03 <sub_pop> Oh yea sorry. That's a duplicate from my notes on GNOME Photos.
20:27:10 <sub_pop> I can't delete pitches.
20:27:18 <stickster> ryanlerch: Since we're dry, let's hold onto that for next week possibly
20:27:20 <ryanlerch> it's sitting in drafts, i just havent written it up get
20:27:33 <stickster> sub_pop: no worry, I'll trash it
20:27:53 <stickster> #info never mind, GEGL article is just errant duplicate... trashing
20:28:07 <stickster> #info --- zsh ---
20:28:22 <stickster> x3mboy: This zsh was the one you were going to write
20:28:49 <x3mboy> stickster, I'm on it. ETA May 25th
20:28:57 <stickster> x3mboy: awesome!
20:29:10 <stickster> #info x3mboy is on it, zsh article coming May 25
20:29:14 * ryanlerch can see this being a series!
20:29:20 <ryanlerch> alternative shells
20:29:25 <stickster> yeah, that would be pretty cool
20:29:35 <stickster> there are some very interesting shells out there, zsh is just one
20:29:41 <sub_pop> mmm yea. fish too
20:29:49 <ryanlerch> IMHO, we should explain at the top of this what a shell actaully is in this context
20:29:54 <x3mboy> Sure, I have zsh, dash, mosh, fish, maybe even csh
20:30:09 <ryanlerch> when i first started, it really confused me
20:30:10 <stickster> ryanlerch: good call
20:30:30 <x3mboy> Sure, it can be confusing for new users with "Gnome Shell"
20:30:38 <stickster> #idea x3mboy -- describe what a shell is at the top of the zsh article (vs. the GNOME Shell)
20:30:39 <ryanlerch> since i assumed that the commandline / terminal == bash
20:30:58 <x3mboy> stickster, added to the topic list
20:31:01 <stickster> nice!
20:31:33 <stickster> OK, moving along then
20:31:37 <stickster> #topic Pitches to review
20:31:45 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/wp-admin/edit.php?post_status=pitch&post_type=post
20:31:55 <stickster> Neat, there are some new ones!
20:32:32 <stickster> #info --- Simulate electronic circuits, parts I + II ---
20:32:51 <stickster> I love this idea. We haven't had a "hobby" type article in a while
20:33:08 <stickster> We got one submitted that used a not entirely open source thing, which was :-(
20:33:34 <sub_pop> Yea, this sounds neat (from the titles)
20:33:34 <stickster> These are both in Fedora :-)
20:33:46 * stickster +1 BIG TIME
20:33:48 <ryanlerch> yeah, these are +1 from me!
20:34:08 <sub_pop> +(uint) 1
20:34:11 <cverna> +1
20:35:01 <stickster> .fasinfo ronignc
20:35:03 <zodbot> stickster: User: ronignc, Name: None, email: ronignc@gmail.com, Creation: 2014-05-24, IRC Nick: None, Timezone: None, Locale: None, GPG key ID: None, Status: active
20:35:06 <zodbot> stickster: Approved Groups: cvsl10n cla_fpca cla_done fedora-br
20:35:33 <stickster> #action stickster email ronignc to approve draft, ask him to email Magazine list with info on ETA
20:36:14 <ryanlerch> #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Ronignc
20:37:14 <stickster> sub_pop: did you guys cover the color calibration one last week in the meeting?
20:37:19 <sub_pop> No
20:37:26 <stickster> #info --- Color calibration ---
20:37:37 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21192&preview=1&_ppp=938f5980ea
20:37:55 <sub_pop> This was just an idea that hit me while I was doing the Photos article
20:38:02 <stickster> sub_pop: I think there was a comment on the Photos article about this, too!
20:38:10 <stickster> great idea for follow up
20:38:21 * stickster is so +1 he can barely stand it
20:38:53 <cverna> +1 too
20:39:08 <x3mboy> Guys I'm a little distracted. Can you ping me on Open Floor?
20:39:08 <sub_pop> Oh cool. I'll need to really research this. The topic of color calibrations and displays is a deep and opinionated one.
20:39:17 <stickster> *nod
20:39:27 <sub_pop> And I'm neither a photographer nor a graphic designer.
20:39:53 <ryanlerch> sub_pop: hughsie might be able to help asa SME
20:40:00 <stickster> sub_pop: My understanding is even a non-expert can get an approved color card and then tune with a device
20:40:01 <cverna> sub_pop: ha ha yes you might have some savy comments :)
20:40:15 <sub_pop> But it's such a cool feature of the color settings stuff.
20:40:18 <stickster> indeed!
20:40:34 <stickster> er, s/tune/calibrate/
20:40:51 <stickster> I recall doing this with my laptop (at the time) and my Canon DSLR camera
20:41:01 <sub_pop> I'll start scoping out an actual article. I'm thinking half color theory, then half calibration tutorial.
20:41:02 <stickster> I still don't know how it works :-D
20:41:09 <sub_pop> haha
20:41:10 <stickster> sub_pop: that sounds like an excellent approach
20:41:21 <stickster> #agreed Color calibration article -- go for it!
20:42:28 <stickster> ryanlerch: I think we were already +1 on the 15 years of Fedora article, and fractal -- right?
20:43:04 <x3mboy> Do we have a link to the 15 years article?
20:43:14 <stickster> x3mboy: it's in the drafts list, hang on
20:43:28 <sub_pop> I pitched the 15 years article to the mailing list a while back, but I submitted an actual pitch just recently.
20:43:29 <stickster> https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21118&preview=true
20:43:41 <stickster> #info --- 15 years of Fedora ---
20:44:00 <stickster> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/?p=21118&preview=1&_ppp=b904aa4f6b
20:44:06 <stickster> insta +1
20:44:43 <ryanlerch> +1
20:44:50 <stickster> If each section here is a few paragraphs... this could be published as a series of articles, one each day during that week
20:44:56 <ryanlerch> stickster: yeah, i think we just need to move fractal to drafts :)
20:44:58 <stickster> I see no reason to keep it to just one on the day of
20:45:08 <sub_pop> I'll drive the article, but I was hoping to get some collaboration from others on different sections.
20:45:10 <stickster> ryanlerch: done!
20:45:14 <x3mboy> +1
20:45:15 <sub_pop> Oh that's a good idea
20:45:37 <x3mboy> I have a little thing that can help with this article
20:45:38 <sub_pop> Not sure if we could do a whole article on statistics though.
20:45:48 <stickster> sub_pop: sure thing, I know we can get mattdm, myself, and several others to participate. I'd love to get spot, mizmo, and some others who've been around from day
20:45:51 <stickster> oops, day 1
20:46:12 <x3mboy> The first question in the podcast was about the history of Fedora: https://x3mboy.fedorapeople.org/podcast/transcripts/transcriptFedoraPodcastEpisode01.html
20:46:15 <sub_pop> Yea, I kinda voluntold mattdm already on the list thread
20:46:20 <stickster> sub_pop: agreed -- maybe make each article have a bit of remembrance, plus one factoid from each collaborator
20:46:25 <stickster> sub_pop: good for you!!!
20:46:37 <sub_pop> x3mboy: yep! that's the summary that I really liked.
20:46:59 <x3mboy> Oh, it's linked there
20:47:00 <x3mboy> :D
20:47:01 <x3mboy> Cool!
20:47:03 <stickster> sub_pop: We have some time for this. But I definitely encourage you to hit people up early and often ;-)
20:47:08 <x3mboy> sub_pop, thanks :D
20:47:12 <x3mboy> sub_pop++
20:47:12 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for linkdupont changed to 5 (for the f28 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
20:47:14 <sub_pop> Yep. That's why I wanted to start it early
20:47:24 <stickster> +100
20:48:07 <stickster> Finally... there's a Raspberry Pi 3B+ article but it's not very meaty, and it ends up looking like a blog advertisement. I wonder if we could convince ksinny to help with it, I think she has one.
20:48:21 <stickster> #action sub_pop to continue shepherding 15 years article
20:49:02 <stickster> ryanlerch: should I asume you're +1 on 15 years article?
20:49:34 * stickster bets ryanlerch's bundle of cute woke up :-D ... we'll hit him back later
20:49:44 <cverna> this article is +1 by default :)
20:49:48 <sub_pop> he +1'd it earlier
20:49:48 <stickster> agreed!
20:49:55 * stickster moves it to draft
20:51:22 <ryanlerch> +1
20:51:32 <ryanlerch> stickster: spot on with the Bonnie status
20:51:36 <stickster> cverna: what do you say about the Docs CI/CD?
20:51:40 <stickster> ryanlerch: LOL!
20:52:32 <cverna> stickster: I need to ping bex about that, I did not follow the latest stuff in the doc CI effort
20:52:49 <cverna> I think there are evaluating another asciidoc builder
20:53:00 <cverna> s/there/they
20:53:07 <stickster> cverna: You know what, you're right... yeah, we're on hold here pending that to be up and working
20:53:14 <stickster> (it might be -- I don't know)
20:53:34 <stickster> #action cverna talk to bex to determine status of Docs-CI/CD as background for article
20:53:39 <cverna> I think we have something working but not 100% :)
20:53:59 <stickster> *nod... this will go to Drafts though, so we know it doesn't need another approval
20:54:13 <cverna> I can do a python article, after the interactive shell, I was thinking about debuggers
20:54:13 <ryanlerch> +1 -- thanks stickster cverna !
20:55:00 <stickster> So for right now we have a grand total of 2 articles that we think are ready this coming week
20:55:11 <stickster> Cassandra (me); Audacity (ryan)
20:55:28 <sub_pop> D:
20:55:53 <x3mboy> I can commit to the zsh to be ready on Friday
20:56:10 <stickster> x3mboy: you wouldn't need to do it this week, would the weekend help?
20:56:16 <x3mboy> Nope
20:56:20 <stickster> aha :-D
20:56:39 <x3mboy> That's why if we want it for next week, I need to finish it before Friday
20:57:02 <x3mboy> Or on Friday at most
20:57:07 <stickster> x3mboy: OK, what if we do this... I'll take care of Cassandra to publish Friday... we do your zsh on Monday... and Ryan's Audacity article on Wednesday
20:57:25 <x3mboy> Sure thing
20:57:40 <x3mboy> I just want to keep the 3 articles per week as we always have
20:57:41 <stickster> Maybe Ryan and I can brainstorm after this on a quick news article for later today
20:57:52 <stickster> x3mboy: Thanks, it will help a lot
20:58:55 <cverna> I can do a python debugger for next friday
20:59:20 <stickster> Awesome!
20:59:24 <stickster> So how about this...
20:59:27 <stickster> #proposed #agreed Publishing Schedule: Fri May 18 - Cassandra (stickster) -- Mon May 21 - zsh (x3mboy) -- Wed May 23 - Audacity (ryanlerch) -- Fri May 25 - Python debugger (cverna)
20:59:38 <cverna> +1
20:59:41 <x3mboy> +1
20:59:43 <sub_pop> +1
20:59:49 <ryanlerch> +1
20:59:51 <stickster> Also let's not forget our electronics article contributor Roní might show up with something next week
20:59:55 <stickster> #agreed Publishing Schedule: Fri May 18 - Cassandra (stickster) -- Mon May 21 - zsh (x3mboy) -- Wed May 23 - Audacity (ryanlerch) -- Fri May 25 - Python debugger (cverna)
21:00:12 <stickster> Let's go forth and conquer!
21:00:19 <stickster> Thanks for coming everyone :-)
21:00:27 <stickster> #endmeeting