12:59:22 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing meeting (2017-04-25)
12:59:22 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Apr 25 12:59:22 2017 UTC.  The chair is jwf. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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12:59:22 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing_meeting_(2017-04-25)'
12:59:23 <jwf> #meetingname marketing
12:59:23 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing'
12:59:24 * bexelbie lurks in a very non-menacing manner
12:59:25 <jwf> #topic Agenda
12:59:29 <jwf> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Marketing_meeting_2017-04-25
12:59:33 <jwf> #info (1) Roll call
12:59:38 <jwf> #info (2) Announcements
12:59:42 <jwf> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
12:59:46 <jwf> #info (4) Tickets
12:59:50 <jwf> #info (5) Upcoming tasks
12:59:53 <jwf> #info (6) Open floor
12:59:57 <jwf> #topic Roll call
13:00:00 <jwf> #info Name; Timezone; Other sub-projects / interest areas
13:00:23 <jwf> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC+2; CommOps, Marketing, Magazine, Ambassadors, Diversity, and more…
13:00:35 * jwf waves to a lurking bexelbie
13:00:37 <jwf> #chair bexelbie
13:00:37 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jwf
13:00:53 * bexelbie doesn't wave back ... because jwf can't see him :P
13:00:54 <bkp> #info Brian Proffitt; UTC-5; Marketing, Social Media
13:00:54 <bexelbie> j/k
13:01:17 <jwf> :)
13:01:22 <mailga> jwf: .fas mailga
13:01:34 <jwf> #chair bkp mailga
13:01:34 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie bkp jwf mailga
13:01:36 <mailga> sorry
13:01:40 * jwf waves again
13:01:45 <mailga> fas .mailga
13:02:01 <mailga> .fas mailga
13:02:01 <zodbot> mailga: mailga 'Gabriele Trombini' <g.trombini@gmail.com>
13:02:08 <mailga> I can make it!
13:02:16 <jwf> Heheh, there it is :)
13:02:41 <jwf> We'll wait a moment more before heading in.
13:02:56 <x3mboy> #info Eduard Lucena; UTC-3;CommOps, Marketing, Magazine, Social Media
13:03:21 <x3mboy> bexelbie, bkp, mailga, jwf o/
13:03:25 * mailga says in Italy is the Liberation day, so thanks to all the Americans (until 1946 :-D)
13:04:44 <jwf> #chair x3mboy
13:04:44 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie bkp jwf mailga x3mboy
13:04:54 * jwf might need to read back on some Italian history :)
13:05:13 <jwf> Okay, I think we're good to get started. Let's get into it…
13:05:30 <jwf> #topic Announcements
13:05:35 <jwf> #info === In the news: "Docker's Moby cast in same mold as Fedora's Red Hat" ===
13:05:40 <jwf> #link http://www.infoworld.com/article/3191591/open-source-tools/dockers-moby-cast-in-same-mold-as-fedoras-red-hat.html
13:05:46 <jwf> #info Not really focusing on Fedora, but covering the new emergence of Docker's Moby Project and how its role for a commercial product is similar to Fedora's own structure. Nothing critical for us, but an interesting view on what Fedora and Red Hat's relationship is by an outside viewer.
13:05:55 <jwf> #info === "Help translate the Fedora User Handbook" ===
13:06:00 <jwf> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/translate-fedora-user-handbook/
13:06:06 <jwf> #help Native English speakers are needed to help bring the Fedora user handbook to English. Check out this CommBlog post to see how you can help.
13:06:12 <jwf> #info === "Share Fedora: Difficult Conversations" ===
13:06:18 <jwf> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/share-fedora-difficult-conversations/
13:06:22 <jwf> #info The Opensource.com blogging challenge continues this week, asking for people like you to share your experience about open source communities. This week's topic are difficult conversations. Check it out on the Fedora Magazine.
13:06:25 <jwf> <eof>
13:06:33 <jwf> Anyone else have something they want to throw into the hat?
13:07:03 <x3mboy> Yes
13:07:09 <jwf> x3mboy: Go for it!
13:07:32 <x3mboy> This saturday was FLISoL at Latam region, maybe we should ask/collect results from Latam Ambassadors
13:08:32 <bkp> There's already at least one report online https://lleksah.wordpress.com/2017/04/23/about-the-fedora-and-gnome-workshop-at-flisol-lima-norte-2017/
13:08:34 <x3mboy> I ask at the ML for help about the ticket #70, but I didn't have feedback yet
13:08:54 <mailga> I think this is part of a bigger issue; we need a standard module to fill with interesting data (for mktg). IMO.
13:09:33 <jwf> x3mboy: CommOps or Marketing?
13:09:46 <x3mboy> CommOps
13:12:15 <jwf> Ahh, okay. We can pick up on how to collect some of this feedback later today during the CommOps meeting. :)
13:12:29 <x3mboy> I think that we need to start to work streching the bond between mktg and ambassadors
13:12:40 <x3mboy> <eof>
13:12:52 <jwf> +1
13:13:46 <jwf> #info FLISoL happened this past weekend across LATAM. There's some interesting feedback that was collected that should surface soon – might be helpful for finding ways to bridge gaps between Marketing and Ambassadors!
13:13:49 <jwf> Anything else to add?
13:14:00 <jwf> Going once…
13:14:09 <mailga> nope
13:14:11 <jwf> Going twice…
13:14:17 <jwf> And thrice…
13:14:25 <jwf> #topic Action items from last meetings
13:14:32 <jwf> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/marketing/marketing.2017-04-18-13.03.html
13:14:38 <jwf> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
13:14:46 <jwf> #info === x3mboy Reach out to the Design Team (IRC, mailing list, meeting, etc.) to solicit points for the Design Suite talking points ===
13:14:51 <jwf> Any updates here?
13:15:07 <x3mboy> No, that's still incomplete
13:15:18 * jwf will re-action
13:15:23 <x3mboy> Thanks
13:15:25 <jwf> #action x3mboy Reach out to the Design Team (IRC, mailing list, meeting, etc.) to solicit points for the Design Suite talking points
13:15:42 <jwf> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release ===
13:15:48 <jwf> #action jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release
13:16:06 <jwf> This really slipped off of my radar, but endeavoring to have this done by end of day tomorrow
13:16:17 <jwf> Have email drafts started, just need to finish them :)
13:16:23 <jwf> #info === x3mboy will finish work with atomic team, that is being work in atomic's Pagure ===
13:16:35 <jwf> To this, I think it's still on-going? Or has it finalized?
13:16:53 <x3mboy> It isn't done yet, There is a draft, but they ask for some days to finish it
13:17:03 <x3mboy> I will ping their channel today again
13:17:26 * jwf nods
13:17:47 <jwf> #action x3mboy Double-check with Atomic Team on if the talking points are finalized / ready to be published
13:17:57 * x3mboy feels like last meeting was yesterday
13:18:04 <jwf> Okay, and that's all the action items from last time!
13:18:05 * Amita is reading
13:18:11 <jwf> x3mboy: Heh, I know that feeling :P
13:18:22 <jwf> x3mboy: Also, thanks for chairing last week's meeting!! x3mboy++
13:18:28 <jwf> #topic Tickets
13:18:33 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issues?tags=meeting
13:18:39 <jwf> #info === Ticket #251:"Extend meeting time" ===
13:18:44 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/251
13:18:45 <Amita> I also helped a little :P
13:18:53 <jwf> Amita++ :)
13:18:57 <Amita> :) hehe
13:19:00 <jwf> This ticket is pretty straightforwar
13:19:04 <jwf> * straightforward
13:19:08 <x3mboy> Yes, thanks so much to Amita
13:19:12 <x3mboy> Amita++
13:19:18 <Amita> x3mboy++ it was you mostly
13:19:27 <Amita> x3mboy++
13:19:27 <x3mboy> Amita can't get more cookies :(
13:19:33 <Amita> x3mboy, like me
13:19:34 <Amita> lol
13:19:37 <jwf> It's just a 30 minute time increment to the meeting for times when we might need it for longer discussions. Ideally, we won't have to use the extra time, but it's there if we need it.
13:19:53 <jwf> Is this is a major time conflict for anyone?
13:20:06 <x3mboy> Not for me
13:20:11 <Amita> video calls help utilizing time more efficiently
13:20:43 <x3mboy> My concern about this ticket is if tha meeting channel will be used inmediately after us
13:20:58 <x3mboy> s/tha/the/g
13:21:00 <jwf> It's not an issue for me at the moment either, but I'm only going to be here for next week's meeting, and then I'll be away
13:21:37 <jwf> We can always move the channel easily if there's a conflict.
13:21:56 <jwf> We can take a quick vote if that would be helpful
13:22:11 <jwf> +1 from me to extending time by 30 minutes
13:22:21 <bkp> +1 from bkp
13:22:22 <x3mboy> +1
13:22:49 * mailga thinks we can use the extra-time only when we have the release shipping or when we have a unique long topic to cover. So we should announce it in the reminder.
13:23:21 <jwf> #agreed Future meetings will have another 30 minutes available if needed – meeting channel will likely have to change too, watch for more info in Fedocal announcement
13:23:33 <jwf> #action jwf Update Fedocal entry for Fedora Marketing meeting to reflect new time
13:24:13 <jwf> mailga: Ideally, we won't so long as the agenda isn't too heavy. But I also think it's hard to know when we might or might not use those extra 30 minutes in advance. They'll be there if we need them or have important topics to cover. :)
13:24:26 * jwf goes to close the ticket
13:25:56 <jwf> #info === Ticket #246: "Prepare report for Council sub-project report" ===
13:26:03 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/246
13:26:45 <x3mboy> I need to work with this, but I don't know where to start
13:27:04 <jwf> Okay, cool, so this would be a good time to figure that out
13:27:52 <jwf> So, we have a slide deck started, but what will probably be more helpful is to create an outline, figure out what we want to cover or say, and then put it together into the slides.
13:27:59 <jwf> Does that make sense?
13:28:40 <x3mboy> Yes. Slides should be the last thing to do, the important things are: content and order
13:29:08 * jwf nods
13:29:32 <Amita> like I did for diversity :)
13:29:44 <Amita> it is easy to get feedback on outline
13:29:49 <Amita> rather than on slides
13:29:50 <jwf> So I think what would be most helpful to get started with is creating that outline, covering the points of, "What Marketing has been up to", "What Marketing is doing", "What's on the horizon for Marketing".
13:29:57 <Amita> a google doc or etherpad will be good
13:31:04 <mailga> do we need a section like "what we need to reach targets"?
13:31:18 <jwf> I'd be interested in helping with this, but I'm not going to have the time to drive it. One idea I had in this past week is trying to help give an owner to this ticket (and the next ticket on the agenda) to help keep everyone updated and track progress on helping (as compared to the meeting chair doing this).
13:31:54 <jwf> I think what would be the best use of our time is to try to have an outline in time for next week to review, and then build the slides from the feedback after that.
13:31:54 <x3mboy> I will be glad to take it
13:32:25 <x3mboy> I think we agreed bkp and me will present the report
13:32:48 <x3mboy> So either him or me should take this one, no?
13:32:52 <bkp> x3mboy: Let me know where you are building the outline, and I can pitch in. I have some ideas I would like everyone to review.
13:33:05 <jwf> x3mboy: To this point, though, I was going to ask you about the talking points ticket, since you've been actively doing a lot of work there. If bkp was up for it and had the time, I was thinking it might helpful to have him prepare a draft of the outline.
13:33:30 <bkp> x3mboy jwf I can
13:33:32 <jwf> Yeah… we'll definitely all review this. :)
13:33:34 <x3mboy> +1 on that
13:33:59 <jwf> Okay, cool. So bkp, you mind if I assign this ticket to you and action you to have an outline of ideas for what we want to present in the report by next week's meeting?
13:34:38 <bkp> I have one question: the overall goal of this report is to say what we are doing, what we want to do, and any support we need from the main Fedora org?
13:34:53 <jwf> bkp: Yes, this is my understanding.
13:34:59 <jwf> bexelbie: Still at the keyboard?
13:35:02 <bkp> Toss it to me
13:35:06 <bexelbie> yes
13:35:11 * bexelbie starts reading back
13:35:22 <jwf> bexelbie: Could you just +1/-1 that about the goal of the sub-project report?
13:35:27 <jwf> From the Council perspective :)
13:35:41 <jwf> #action bkp Create an outline of ideas for what we want to present in the Fedora Council sub-project report for Marketing by next meeting (2 May)
13:35:42 <bexelbie> yes bkp that is the goal :)
13:35:56 <jwf> Okay, cool. :)
13:36:23 <jwf> Anything else we want to cover here right now?
13:36:34 <bkp> jwf: I will be at Summit next week, but should be able to join this meeting.
13:36:49 <bkp> jwf: This is for #246, right?
13:37:18 <x3mboy> bkp, yes for #246
13:37:26 <jwf> bkp: Ah, okay. If you can make it, that will be awesome. If not, if you can get the outline to us either on the mailing list or some other way, that will be awesome.
13:37:33 <bkp> x3mboy: Okey dokey
13:38:02 <jwf> Alright, sub-project report, going once…
13:38:09 <jwf> Going twice…
13:38:09 <bkp> jwf: I will add the outline/Google Doc link to the ticket. Worse comes to worst, you can put feedback in the doc.
13:38:30 <jwf> bkp: Yes, that will be perfect!
13:38:38 <jwf> .thank bkp
13:38:38 <zodbot> jwf thinks bkp is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to bkp++ also)
13:38:43 <jwf> #info === Ticket #249: "Create Fedora 26 talking points" ===
13:38:48 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/249
13:39:04 <x3mboy> bkp++
13:39:05 <zodbot> x3mboy: Karma for bproffit changed to 8 (for the f25 release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
13:39:30 <jwf> For this ticket, I think we're making steady progress, and a lot of the previous action items were follow-up points to this specifically
13:39:50 <jwf> As far as I know, there's not a whole lot of new info to report, but maybe x3mboy could prove me wrong on that. :)
13:40:37 <x3mboy> Well, like I mention on the ticket Workstation SIG/WG agreed that their points are ready, and the new LXQt Spin is ready too
13:40:51 * jwf nods
13:40:52 <jwf> Awesome!
13:41:07 <x3mboy> As I mention before, atomic/cloud is workning on accept the text, I will update when is ready
13:41:13 <jwf> I did want to propose finding an owner for this ticket to help take lead on making sure we're on target for the beta release. Since x3mboy has already done a lot of work on the talking points for this release, I was going to suggest that x3mboy be the owner of this ticket.
13:41:29 <x3mboy> I'm ok with that
13:41:30 <jwf> x3mboy: Do you think this is something you can take lead on?
13:41:35 <jwf> Okay, cool :)
13:42:01 <jwf> #info Workstation WG and LXQt Spin agreed their points are ready, Atomic / Cloud WG is in progress, more info to come
13:42:01 <x3mboy> Also, I can follow up your emails if you reach server SIG and other teams
13:42:20 <jwf> #info x3mboy is taking lead on this ticket
13:42:43 <x3mboy> FYI KDE SIG said they have nothing to report
13:42:44 <jwf> x3mboy: You mean to send those out?
13:42:54 <jwf> Ahh, okay, good to know
13:43:05 <jwf> #info No new major information for KDE this release
13:43:30 <x3mboy> jwf, no, if you have a draft for the email, better, just put me on CC to follow up
13:43:38 <jwf> Ahh, okay, I will CC you then :)
13:44:11 * jwf isn't sure if we have anything else for talking points to cover now?
13:44:23 <x3mboy> Nothing more from me
13:44:29 * jwf is also trying to help mailga get back to his holiday :)
13:44:34 <jwf> Nothing from me either
13:44:54 <jwf> F26 talking points, going once…
13:45:01 <jwf> Going twice…
13:45:05 <jwf> And thrice…
13:45:10 <jwf> #topic Upcoming Tasks
13:45:14 <jwf> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-marketing-tasks.html
13:45:19 <jwf> #info (1) Beta Freeze (Tue 2017-05-16, 00:00 UTC)
13:45:25 <jwf> #info (2) Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline (Tue 2017-05-16)
13:45:30 <jwf> #info (3) Email WGs to solicit bullet points for Beta release announcement (due: Fri 2017-05-19)
13:45:41 <jwf> #topic Open Floor
13:45:55 <jwf> One thing I'd like to mention for open floor—
13:46:40 <jwf> Next week will likely be my last Marketing meeting for a while. I was going to see if anyone would want to take meeting chair for next week even though I'm here, and continue chairing after next week too.
13:46:44 <mailga> jwf: I'm following, there's not any problem. :-D I have nothing to say, I like how our group is involved. Seems you don't need me anymore :-D
13:47:42 <jwf> It's mostly just going through things to cover before the meeting for the agenda and running the meeting commands. I've used the wiki template for meetings, but that's not canon and anyone is welcome to use something that's easier for them if that works, so long as it's communicated with other team members.
13:48:01 <x3mboy> I can take some, but not sure if all of them. I will be working on the council report and after that I will take vacations with my family
13:49:03 <jwf> mailga: Nah, we'll always need your Italian pizzazz in Marketing, whenever you have the time to add it :)
13:49:34 <jwf> x3mboy: Okay, cool. Maybe for those off-times, you could coordinate with bkp / mailga on the dates you'll be away?
13:50:13 <x3mboy> Okay
13:50:24 <x3mboy> Sounds like a plan
13:50:50 <mailga> x3mboy jwf If I'm not afk I can take care of the chair, you know these are the days in which my job brings me out of office rather often.
13:51:04 <jwf> x3mboy: Do you want to chair next week too then?
13:51:29 <jwf> mailga: Yeah, I understand that very much, heheh. Lots of heat means lots of failing air conditioners!
13:51:57 <x3mboy> jwf, yes, next one while you still here, so you can give me some feedback
13:52:16 <mailga> jwf: correct, that doesn't mean lots of money :-(
13:52:27 <jwf> x3mboy: Okay, cool. We can coordinate on this via Telegram or IRC later. :)
13:53:07 <jwf> mailga: Heh, yeah, true… well, hopefully this will just be a good season then.
13:53:16 <jwf> Alrighty… anything else we want to cover here?
13:53:36 <jwf> Or we can all gain five minutes back to our day :)
13:54:00 <jwf> Going once…
13:54:03 <x3mboy> Nothing from me
13:54:10 <jwf> Going twice…
13:54:16 <jwf> And thrice…
13:54:24 <jwf> Okay, thanks for coming out today everyone! See you all next week. :)
13:54:30 <jwf> mailga: Enjoy the holiday too!
13:54:32 <jwf> #endmeeting