13:16:52 <x3mboy> #startmeeting Fedora Marketing meeting (2017-05-02)
13:16:52 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue May  2 13:16:52 2017 UTC.  The chair is x3mboy. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
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13:16:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_marketing_meeting_(2017-05-02)'
13:17:09 <x3mboy> #meetingname Marketing Team
13:17:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing_team'
13:17:24 <x3mboy> #topic Agenda
13:18:01 <x3mboy> #info No link yet
13:18:25 <jwf> That's alright, we can just jump into the normal topics :)
13:18:26 <x3mboy> #info (1) Roll call
13:18:32 <x3mboy> #info (2) Announcements
13:18:38 <x3mboy> #info (3) Action items from last meeting
13:18:43 <x3mboy> #info (4) Tickets
13:18:49 <x3mboy> #info (5) Upcoming tasks
13:18:53 <x3mboy> #info (6) Open floor
13:19:02 <x3mboy> #topic Roll call
13:19:21 <jwf> x3mboy: Also, as a quick note, #meetingname is what sets the URL for the Marketing team in Meetbot, so we want to make sure it's consistent across meetings. For the past year or two, it's been just 'marketing', so using `#meetingname marketing` will sort it properly with all of the others in Meetbot. :)
13:19:22 <x3mboy> #info Name; Timezone; Other sub-projects / interest areas
13:19:41 <x3mboy> jwf, noted!
13:19:56 <jwf> #info Justin W. Flory; UTC+2; Marketing, Magazine, CommOps, Ambassadors, Diversity Team, and more…
13:20:10 <x3mboy> #info Eduard Lucena; UTC-3; Marketing, Magazine, CommOps, Ambassadors
13:20:35 <x3mboy> #chair jwf
13:20:35 <zodbot> Current chairs: jwf x3mboy
13:21:13 <jwf> #meetingname marketing
13:21:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing'
13:21:23 <x3mboy> I'm not sure if there is somebody else here?
13:22:28 <jwf> I know bkp had a tough schedule because of Red Hat Summit, and if he's in California, it's 6:30am for him or so. :)
13:22:38 <x3mboy> Oh ok
13:22:42 <jwf> Might just be us today, but we can put a call out in #fedora-mktg
13:22:55 <x3mboy> Ok
13:25:02 <x3mboy> Well, we can continue, if someone jump in, can ask about the current topic. What do you think?
13:25:14 <jwf> +1. We can move on to the action items for any follow-up.
13:25:26 <Amita> I am here, just keeping an eye
13:25:42 <x3mboy> Amita, o/
13:25:47 <x3mboy> #chair Amita
13:25:47 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita jwf x3mboy
13:25:55 <Amita> hello x3mboy
13:26:05 <x3mboy> #topic Announcements
13:26:18 <x3mboy> Something to highlight here?
13:26:38 * jwf has one thing
13:26:47 <x3mboy> Go for it
13:26:53 * jwf is digging for the link
13:27:35 <jwf> #info === Fedora Mission: Recap, reflections, next steps ===
13:27:39 <jwf> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/council-discuss@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/OH3MKWIVRETSOPL2FKSE6YK4YIF5SZAD/
13:27:56 <jwf> #info Some updates about the recent Fedora mission statement discussion and what's next to move forward.
13:28:09 <jwf> And one more, actually :)
13:28:17 <jwf> #info === "Share Fedora: Measuring Success" ===
13:28:21 <jwf> #link https://fedoramagazine.org/share-fedora-measuring-success/
13:29:04 <jwf> #info This week's blogging challenge is about how to measure success and finding the right statistics to help guide Fedora forward. Add your voice to the mix for this week's blogging challenge!
13:29:07 <jwf> <eof>
13:29:14 <linuxmodder> .fas linuxmodder
13:29:16 <zodbot> linuxmodder: linuxmodder 'Corey W Sheldon' <sheldon.corey@openmailbox.org>
13:29:21 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, o/
13:29:26 <x3mboy> #chait linuxmodder
13:29:32 <x3mboy> Oh cool
13:29:49 <linuxmodder> x3mboy,  it's #chair not #chait  :P
13:29:55 <x3mboy> #chair linuxmodder
13:29:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita jwf linuxmodder x3mboy
13:30:04 <linuxmodder> o/ all
13:30:19 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, yes, i fail the key for 1 position to my left
13:30:19 * jwf waves to linuxmodder
13:30:49 <x3mboy> Ok, move on
13:31:02 <x3mboy> #topic Action items from last meeting
13:32:04 <x3mboy> #link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-meeting/2017-04-25/marketing.2017-04-25-12.59.log.html
13:32:31 <x3mboy> #info How This Works: We look at past #action items from the last meeting for quick follow-up. If a task is completed, we move on to the next one. If it isn't, we get an update and re-action it if needed. If no status, we'll try to get a quick update and move forward.
13:32:46 <x3mboy> #info === [INCOMPLETE] x3mboy Reach out to the Design Team (IRC, mailing list, meeting, etc.) to solicit points for the Design Suite talking points ===
13:33:23 <x3mboy> I need to reach them yet. My last week was a little messy, but now I'm up to work with this.
13:33:45 * jwf understands that :)
13:33:48 <x3mboy> #info === jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking
13:33:48 <x3mboy> point additions to the wiki page before beta release ===
13:34:10 <jwf> So, this is incomplete, but I'm typing up the emails now… since I'm not chairing, I'll get them sent during this meeting. :)
13:34:34 <x3mboy> #info === [INCOMPLETE] jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release ===
13:34:46 <x3mboy> #action x3mboy Reach out to the Design Team (IRC, mailing list, meeting, etc.) to solicit points for the Design Suite talking points
13:34:59 <x3mboy> #action jwf Reach out to the Server WG / Spins mailing list to ask for talking point additions to the wiki page before beta release
13:35:23 <x3mboy> #info === jwf Update Fedocal entry for Fedora Marketing meeting to reflect new time ===
13:35:34 <jwf> x3mboy: Since I'm typing these up now, do you want to hit the Design Team up and CC you there?
13:35:39 <jwf> x3mboy: This should be done. :)
13:35:54 <x3mboy> "Ok", and "ok, cool!"
13:35:55 <x3mboy> :D
13:35:56 <x3mboy> xD
13:36:02 <jwf> :)
13:36:09 <x3mboy> #info === [COMPLETE] jwf Update Fedocal entry for Fedora Marketing meeting to reflect new time ===
13:36:46 <x3mboy> #info === [COMPLETE] bkp Create an outline of ideas for what we want to present in the  Fedora Council sub-project report for Marketing by next meeting (2  May) ===
13:36:58 <x3mboy> This was made last week. Let me look for the link
13:37:18 <jwf> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B3bxBxFx2qtpNyVPQGJJs2Fla4kRlFlVVh8vS9LjM3E/edit?usp=sharing
13:38:15 <x3mboy> .thank jwf
13:38:15 <zodbot> x3mboy thinks jwf is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to jwf++ also)
13:38:34 <x3mboy> That was all the action items left last week
13:38:53 <x3mboy> Any comments here???
13:39:34 <x3mboy> OK, moving on
13:39:38 <x3mboy> #topic Tickets
13:39:46 <x3mboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issues?tags=meeting
13:39:48 <jwf> We can cover this one more fully in the ticket :)
13:39:56 <jwf> (with regards to the outline)
13:41:01 <x3mboy> #info === Ticket #249: "Create Fedora 26 talking points" ===
13:41:11 <x3mboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/249
13:41:29 <x3mboy> Well, this is still in progress
13:42:00 <x3mboy> #info jwf will send email to reach WG and SIG that are missing
13:42:16 <x3mboy> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_26_talking_points
13:42:18 <jwf> Spins are done, Server WG is next. :)
13:42:30 <jwf> I will also grab the Design Team list too
13:43:09 <x3mboy> #action jwf will take the Design Team to send email too
13:43:39 <x3mboy> Anything else
13:44:01 <x3mboy> I know this ticket is mine from now on, so, remember to copy me in emails please...
13:44:38 * jwf nods
13:44:53 <x3mboy> Atomic team is still discussing their focus on the TPs, but hopefully they will be ready today or tomorrow
13:45:48 * jwf adds one more quick #info
13:45:55 <x3mboy> They have problems because is hard to set a point were new features are added because the release new versions weekly or bi-weekly
13:46:16 <jwf> #info Spins, Server, and Design Team have all been contacted today about talking points (2017-05-02)
13:46:24 <x3mboy> Cool!
13:46:38 <jwf> x3mboy: Ah, okay, so I see how that is tricky. So long as they're on track for the beta, we should be in good shape.
13:46:39 <x3mboy> That's why my phone is jumping
13:46:48 <jwf> lolol :P
13:47:09 <x3mboy> Ok, next ticket
13:47:36 <x3mboy> #info === Ticket #246: "Prepare report for Council sub-project report" ===
13:48:14 <x3mboy> Well, I was waiting for bproffit to put the outline. Now that's ready, so I will start editing that
13:48:25 <x3mboy> #link https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B3bxBxFx2qtpNyVPQGJJs2Fla4kRlFlVVh8vS9LjM3E/edit
13:48:43 <jwf> We can take a quick look together now.
13:48:52 <x3mboy> Yes
13:49:03 <x3mboy> First point here is 2017 Goals
13:49:30 <x3mboy> Increase awareness of Fedora releases
13:49:53 <jwf> I feel like the goals are mostly along the right lines, although…
13:50:02 <jwf> I want to cross-reference the new mission statement for a moment
13:50:12 <linuxmodder> x3mboy,  I can help more with spins T?P tahn server if needed
13:50:13 <x3mboy> I have a question here
13:50:17 <linuxmodder> sorry got sidelined
13:50:27 <jwf> x3mboy: Sure!
13:50:48 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, np. Yes if you can, please goes on. We want to have the final version before beta release
13:51:11 <linuxmodder> I am part of both but regrettably  recently absent form server stuff
13:51:22 <x3mboy> We, as Marketing team, works with internal customers and external customers???
13:51:23 <linuxmodder> x3mboy,  your ? was?
13:51:48 <x3mboy> Or for Internal Customer we have commops???
13:51:53 <linuxmodder> technically yes even if using the internal ones to promote to externals ( or gain more externals)
13:52:12 <jwf> x3mboy: Internal customers and external customers… how do you mean? Is this mentioned somewhere on the doc?
13:52:17 <linuxmodder> internal customers as I am referring are users
13:53:02 <jwf> I think "customers" isn't the best word for the kind of work we'
13:53:07 <jwf> * we're doing.
13:53:29 <jwf> We aren't selling software as much as trying to market ideas. :)
13:53:43 <x3mboy> jwf, it's not mentioned. Internal customers = users and project. External Customers = Non-users and people outside the project
13:54:20 <x3mboy> Customer is a wide word, normally in my industry we use to define the target of our work
13:54:30 <x3mboy> use it*
13:54:44 <jwf> Ah, okay, I understand a little better now.
13:55:05 <x3mboy> So external = put of the projcet, internal = inside the project
13:55:12 <x3mboy> That's a better approach
13:55:12 <linuxmodder> using customers to mean target audience then yes x3mboy
13:55:29 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, exactly
13:55:31 * linuxmodder has a hard stop in 30 mins
13:55:48 <jwf> x3mboy: For "internal customer", I would consider that more of a CommOps area. :)
13:56:07 <x3mboy> jwf, that was what I was thinking
13:56:14 * jwf also has a hard stop in about 5-10 minutes today for class too, today ended up being a faster schedule than expected
13:56:36 <x3mboy> Ok, so we can discuss this in the ticket
13:56:41 <x3mboy> Agreed???
13:57:07 <jwf> x3mboy: +1 from me. :)
13:57:15 * jwf is going to switch to phone in a bit
13:57:33 <x3mboy> A quick note, I think we can focus our goals to help teams that need us. For example Diversity and there project Fedora Women
13:58:16 <Amita> collaboration should be every sub projects goal
13:58:20 <Rhea> Just my understandingto the above terminology, as i would understand it: internal customer == contributor; external customer == user
13:59:22 <x3mboy> Amita, of course, but I mean to define a clear line on "How to help". We should be willing to help every sub-project/contributor that ask for the help
14:00:04 <linuxmodder> +1 from me too
14:00:05 <x3mboy> And a good example is the Fedora User Handbook. In first instance was commented in the Ambassadors List, and now a lots of team are helping
14:00:18 <Amita> sounds good
14:00:21 <Amita> +1
14:00:36 <linuxmodder> Rhea,  yup
14:00:40 <x3mboy> Rhea, kind of. We can extend external customer to "anything else"
14:01:06 <linuxmodder> user/prospective user
14:01:09 <x3mboy> Becase we should market to people that don't use Fedora or even linux
14:01:21 <x3mboy> Ok
14:01:31 <x3mboy> Any other comments?
14:01:42 <linuxmodder> user to me always includes those we may run into at a con / hackathon but that is just me maybe
14:02:05 <x3mboy> Remember, we are working on the Council sub-project Report
14:02:34 <x3mboy> Any help, comment or hint is welcome
14:02:58 <x3mboy> We have the ticket: https://pagure.io/fedora-marketing/issue/246 and the document with the outline: https://docs.google.com/document/d/1B3bxBxFx2qtpNyVPQGJJs2Fla4kRlFlVVh8vS9LjM3E/edit#
14:04:05 <x3mboy> The date is May 24
14:04:17 <x3mboy> So, we have still a little time to shape the report
14:04:46 <x3mboy> #chair Rhea
14:04:46 <zodbot> Current chairs: Amita Rhea jwf linuxmodder x3mboy
14:04:49 <x3mboy> :D
14:05:12 <linuxmodder> x3mboy,  one might think you are enjoying chairing a little much :P
14:05:16 <jwf|matrix> I'm planning on adding comments to the Google Doc soon.
14:05:23 <jwf|matrix> Sorry for the delay there
14:05:42 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, xD something like that xD
14:05:51 <linuxmodder> been tutoring and doing startup/respins stuff hence my absence/delays
14:05:57 <x3mboy> jwf|matrix, +1, me too
14:06:18 <linuxmodder> and stuff with mozilla land
14:06:45 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, cool! Please ask for support of pentium again! Please! Please!
14:06:53 <x3mboy> sorry, That was off-topic
14:06:56 <linuxmodder> in ff ?
14:07:02 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, yes
14:07:06 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: If you want to action me and you for leaving comments, we can follow up on that next week
14:07:20 <x3mboy> jwf|matrix, ok
14:07:20 <jwf|matrix> I'll make sure to get comments into the document, although I don't think I'll be here for future meetings
14:07:31 <linuxmodder> use < ff52 :P sadly not seeing that come back that was a heated change
14:07:53 <x3mboy> #action jwf will add comments to the documment to follow up next week
14:08:14 <x3mboy> Ok
14:08:19 <x3mboy> Moving on
14:08:26 <x3mboy> #topic Upcoming Tasks
14:08:31 <x3mboy> #link https://fedorapeople.org/groups/schedule/f-26/f-26-marketing-tasks.html
14:08:55 <x3mboy> #info (1) Beta Freeze (Tue 2017-05-16, 00:00 UTC)
14:09:03 <x3mboy> #info (2) Change Checkpoint: 100% Code Complete Deadline (Tue 2017-05-16)
14:09:11 <x3mboy> #info (3) Email WGs to solicit bullet points for Beta release announcement (due: Fri 2017-05-19)
14:09:16 <x3mboy> #topic Open Floor
14:09:40 <x3mboy> Sorry for my poor chairing of the meeting, I will try to improve to next time
14:10:18 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: Practice makes perfect, it's really not a big issue :)
14:10:23 <linuxmodder> x3mboy,  poor chairing ? don't be so hard on yoursef chairing is made to look eay peasy by veterans we all start somewhere
14:10:42 <jwf|matrix> linuxmodder++
14:11:01 <x3mboy> Thanks
14:12:15 <x3mboy> I have a question
14:12:33 <jwf|matrix> x3mboy: Sure!
14:13:33 <x3mboy> Dates are really close, we have Sub-Project Report @ 2017-05-24 and Fedora 26 Beta Release Readiness meeting @ 2017-05-25
14:14:04 <jwf|matrix> Oh, phew
14:14:13 <linuxmodder> welcome to cram life :P
14:14:14 <jwf|matrix> I hadn't realized how close the dates were there
14:14:33 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, LOL
14:14:52 <x3mboy> Ok, So we should work with both points at the same time
14:14:57 <linuxmodder> they have been same day before
14:14:58 * jwf|matrix has a hard stop now, though – need to head out!
14:15:02 <jwf|matrix> Thanks x3mboy for chairing :)
14:15:04 <jwf|matrix> .thank x3mboy
14:15:04 <zodbot> jwf|matrix thinks x3mboy is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please don't forget to x3mboy++ also)
14:15:24 <x3mboy> jwf|matrix, ok, see ya! I will end soon
14:15:46 * linuxmodder has to head out in 5 mins too so d/c now
14:15:48 <x3mboy> Well, I have nothing else for Open Floor
14:15:50 <x3mboy> ???
14:15:56 <x3mboy> If no I will close
14:16:38 <x3mboy> Going once...
14:16:51 <x3mboy> Going twice...
14:17:03 <x3mboy> Going thrice
14:17:10 <x3mboy> And thanks for coming
14:17:27 <x3mboy> linuxmodder, Rhea, Amita, jwf, jwf|matrix
14:17:33 <x3mboy> #endmeeting