21:13:42 <mchua> #startmeeting
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21:13:52 <mchua> #meetingname Marketing leadership transition
21:13:52 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'marketing_leadership_transition'
21:13:55 <mchua> #chair rbergeron
21:13:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: mchua rbergeron
21:13:57 <mchua> Hooyah!
21:14:01 <rbergeron> sweet.
21:14:03 <mchua> #info Switchover date: June 1st
21:14:17 <rbergeron> that's one week from today. :)
21:14:17 <mchua> So... let's see. I know we need to get Trac ready for F14.
21:14:21 <mchua> Yeah!
21:14:37 <rbergeron> indeed. that's fairly simple - I was just waiting to see on a final schedule
21:14:44 <rbergeron> of all the milestone dates for alpha, beta, etc.
21:14:47 <rbergeron> do we have that yet?
21:14:50 <mchua> And I know I need to follow up on our remaining F13 deliverables - basically, "press kit" - rbergeron, do you want to run postmortem as part of the "prep for f14" stuff, or do you want me to do that?
21:14:57 <mchua> rbergeron: Yes, for the f14 general schedule. lemme pull that up.
21:15:06 <mchua> let's tackle that one first
21:15:13 <mchua> #topic F14 scheduling and trac-readiness
21:15:18 <rbergeron> i can run postmortem next week
21:15:41 <mchua> #link http://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Releases/14/Schedule
21:15:49 <mchua> rbergeron: Ok - I will come with a report on F13 as best as I can gather it.
21:15:58 <mchua> #action mchua show up to f13 postmortem with f13 recap
21:16:07 <mchua> I'll write that up publicly and the usual. :)
21:16:13 <rbergeron> cooool.
21:16:24 <mchua> #action mchua make sure F13 press kit gets done for stickster in time for the Summit
21:16:49 <rbergeron> indeed. if we can just prod people along on their assigned items - that would help
21:16:54 <rbergeron> also - i filed a ticket with design team
21:17:00 <rbergeron> for a template, just as a reference
21:17:04 * rbergeron will see if she can find that
21:17:08 <mchua> #action mchua make sure F13 deliverables are all SOP-updated
21:18:48 <mchua> rbergeron: anything else, or shall we commence with the trac-sprintin'?
21:18:53 <mchua> or... questions? or whatnot?
21:19:27 <rbergeron> https://fedorahosted.org/design-team/ticket/133
21:19:37 <rbergeron> so - i can't remember if i sent a mail to the design list in conjunction with that ticket
21:19:47 <rbergeron> which i'm pretty sure i was supposed to do, but don't know offhand if i actually did
21:20:41 <rbergeron> we can trac-sprint.
21:20:47 * rbergeron goes a lookin at trac
21:21:07 <mchua> hooyah.
21:21:08 * mchua too
21:22:14 <rbergeron> shall i start adding them in?
21:22:56 <mchua> rbergeron: Go for it! I'm updating our current tickets.
21:23:05 <rbergeron> oyy
21:25:34 <mchua> Our queue has gotten mildly crufty. :)
21:26:39 <rbergeron> crufty ;) lol
21:26:46 * rbergeron added the milestones and dates in
21:28:59 <mchua> rbergeron: awesome. I wonder at what point we want to remove the older milestones (or make them not-available-via-dropdown, or if there's even a way to do that)
21:29:14 <mchua> (not important, just thinking out loud about... say, F26, when the drop-down becomes several miles long.)
21:30:10 <rbergeron> yeah, i'm looking at the list - i can click selected items to remove them.
21:31:03 * rbergeron looks to see if there is anything left in the F12 milestones to do
21:31:04 <rbergeron> lol
21:31:35 <rbergeron> oh, but i don't want to delete the old tickets - i wonder what happens to them, what their milestone shows up as.
21:31:44 <rbergeron> i guess it would be better to make them not available by dropdown
21:31:46 * rbergeron ponders
21:32:09 <mchua> Yea, we want to keep the milestones but maybe make the not-accessible-by-dropdown...
21:32:16 <mchua> rbergeron: it's not the most important thing in the world right now :)
21:32:23 <rbergeron> yeah
21:32:25 * mchua looking at https://fedorahosted.org/marketing-team/report/3 and headdesking about f12 tix
21:32:31 <rbergeron> i just hate giant drop-downs
21:32:34 <mchua> I will... close them all and/or forward as appropriate.
21:33:38 <rbergeron> well - we can proably move the FI ones to ... teh F13 milestones.
21:33:44 <rbergeron> if we want to do them, or if they're still valid.
21:33:55 <rbergeron> "prepare blurbs for fedora fun projects rotation on fp.o"
21:34:04 <rbergeron> I think they're good things.
21:36:37 <mchua> Yep.
21:37:00 <mchua> rbergeron: speaking of FI... I don't know how much of your energies you want to focus on that (also, survey software)
21:37:17 <rbergeron> lol
21:37:21 * mchua can pick up on engineering/infra type stuff again now that she's not riding herd on the release deliverables, if that would be of use.
21:37:26 <rbergeron> so - i've been in the meetings for the FI stuff
21:37:31 <mchua> Yeah, more so than me :)
21:37:32 <rbergeron> it's... going
21:37:35 <mchua> you're far more up to date
21:37:51 <rbergeron> i'm basically waiting for them to get to a point where i can help test and do documentation on how to use it
21:38:23 <rbergeron> the Fedora_Insight page has the meeting minutes / info on it, of course - stickster has been more or less driving it lately
21:38:26 <mchua> actually - have you given any thought to what you want to focus on for the f14 round? There are the deliverables, you said you had some thoughts for those... but then other projects like research, fi, etc, reaching out to groups of marketers (schools, industry, etc)
21:38:30 <mchua> w00t for stickster!
21:39:02 <rbergeron> wrt research - i've basically been waiting for FI to finish before embarking on any more infrastructure stuff.
21:39:18 <mchua> Yep.
21:39:20 <rbergeron> actually, i think i pretty much actually said just that.
21:39:23 * mchua grins
21:39:26 <rbergeron> sooo... i hope it finishes
21:39:28 <rbergeron> soooooon
21:40:27 <rbergeron> but at the same time - i don't want to set really aggressive goals - once we're done with FI, i'll start figuring out what we can reasonably do
21:40:39 * mchua nods.
21:40:55 <mchua> rbergeron: where would my minionhood be most useful, o wise one?
21:41:25 <rbergeron> We have a lot of people coming in who also want to do infrastructure-type projects - I think long-term, over the next release or two, I'd like to see us making sure those people can get what they need to do what they want to do.
21:41:46 <rbergeron> So things like fedora buzz, and ... wow, i just lost my train of thought
21:41:48 * mchua is engineer!
21:41:52 <rbergeron> right
21:41:53 * mchua can haz be engineer again!
21:42:03 * mchua probably better at that than marketing, tbh
21:42:05 <rbergeron> so basically - we have all these projects that people want to do that are somewhat interconnected
21:42:15 <rbergeron> tracking social media statistics
21:42:23 <rbergeron> the ... indentigator stuff
21:42:30 <rbergeron> link tracking in and out
21:42:43 * rbergeron talked with max about this a bit over the weekend iirc
21:43:02 <rbergeron> anyway - it would be nice to (a) let people run with this stuff - scratch their itch and do it
21:43:23 <rbergeron> and (2) - actually make those things (along with, you know, LIMESURVEY) available as .. sort of value-add for people who use fedorahosted
21:43:39 <rbergeron> ie: we don't just provide you a repository space, we provide you with toolz.
21:43:45 <rbergeron> marketing toolz.
21:43:47 <rbergeron> that we designed!
21:44:11 <mchua> \o/
21:44:26 <rbergeron> but we'd have to make sure they worked for us, first, and stuff.
21:44:40 <mchua> Right-o.
21:45:03 <rbergeron> and actually, a fad about... trying to start planning all those things came up
21:45:07 <rbergeron> at ambassadors fad, of all place
21:45:08 <rbergeron> lol
21:45:13 <rbergeron> well, i think we talked about it in mktg meeting too
21:45:15 <rbergeron> maybe last week
21:45:21 * rbergeron notes that everything is running together lately
21:45:35 <mchua> Yep.
21:45:38 <rbergeron> but it's a lot of people with good ideas - who are going and actually making plans in the wiki
21:45:54 <mchua> I think we need to figure out what individuals want to focus on, beyond deliverables.
21:46:02 <rbergeron> so frankly - if that's the direction we are going - i'm going to just follow those guys and say, how can we enable you to be successful
21:46:23 <mchua> I'm personally interested in coming up with a good way of getting infrastructure-for-nontech-teams infra off the ground, with FI as the first example I would like to see up.
21:46:24 <rbergeron> right
21:46:45 <rbergeron> yeah - i think we need some guidance around "what is the best way to make this stuff happen"
21:46:48 <rbergeron> aka process
21:47:07 <rbergeron> and not only from a "do it from a package" perspective
21:47:18 <rbergeron> but also from a "do it a bit more custom from a package" - which is how zikula has gone
21:47:25 <rbergeron> ie - we have to have patches, and repos, and stuff
21:48:02 <rbergeron> and even - build your own thing from scratch
21:48:07 <rbergeron> Fedora-tour comes to mind there
21:48:39 <mchua> Ayup.
21:48:43 * mchua nudges rrix ;)
21:49:18 * mchua wants tracbot up and running, btw. mass triage: it takes too long.
21:50:01 <ke4qqq> tracbot?? link?
21:50:08 <rbergeron> i have some additional deliverable-type stuff from the ambassadors fad i would like to add
21:50:18 <rbergeron> but i need to write it up a bit
21:51:05 <rbergeron> but it's mostly remixes of stuff we have - nothing really terribly new.
21:51:26 <rbergeron> i think tracbot is some sort of vaporware :)
21:51:28 <rbergeron> unless i'm mistaken
21:51:43 <ke4qqq> isn't their a trac supybot plugin?? ianweller ??
21:52:10 * ke4qqq thought several groups were using zod's tracbot stuff - but don't know that it's anything other than read only
21:52:34 <rbergeron> I'd like for us to have far more continuous content / interviews / etc.
21:52:52 <rbergeron> Not just to feed FI - but because we have a bad habit of just having content at the end game
21:53:06 <mchua> +1
21:53:08 <rbergeron> And really - we have a zillion contributors, developers, people in general we could interview
21:53:20 <ke4qqq> hmmmm think we have some messaging differences 'Fedora 13, has been released to its final release and it has a full of features for enterprise use.'
21:53:20 <rbergeron> and it really isn't that much effort, particularly when you do it by email and cut and paste.
21:53:36 <rbergeron> released to its final release?
21:53:54 <ke4qqq> thats what the Fedora group from facebook just sent me.
21:54:06 * ke4qqq likes the 'enterprise use' comment too
21:54:08 <rbergeron> you read facebook?
21:54:10 <rbergeron> :)
21:54:18 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: this was sent to my email, and no,actually I don't.
21:54:22 <rbergeron> oh, wait
21:54:30 <rbergeron> that's like... a direct quote from the Fedora group?
21:54:33 <ke4qqq> I did look to see GDK become Lord of the Plow, but that's about it
21:54:35 <ke4qqq> rbergeron: yes
21:54:36 <rbergeron> not just a repaste of an article or something?
21:55:20 <ke4qqq> http://www.facebook.com/n/?inbox%2Freadmessage.php&t=1302498038655&mid=26641a8G43950814G1ac4692G0&n
21:55:44 <ke4qqq> don't know, that might not work for people other than me
21:55:57 <rbergeron> it worked
21:55:58 <rbergeron> amazingly
21:56:02 <rbergeron> i guess i'm in that group
21:56:07 * rbergeron thinks there are lots of fedora groups
21:56:21 <rbergeron> oh, i got that mailalso.
21:56:26 <rbergeron> so... yeah
21:56:44 <rbergeron> Another thing on that list is to try and figure out how to standardize our message a bit amongst all the social media stuff
21:56:52 <rbergeron> but ... obviously without usurping power from people
21:57:34 <ke4qqq> yeah - don't want to make people feel unwanted or like they can't do things, but at least a chorus of similar messages
21:57:35 <rbergeron> the social media stuff is just ... soooo vast.
21:57:51 <rbergeron> well - i think part of it is
21:58:05 <rbergeron> that generally - if you're, say, wanting to join a group on facebook
21:58:10 <rbergeron> you would type in fedora
21:58:23 <rbergeron> you're going to likely join either the biggest one, or the most official one
21:58:38 <rbergeron> so if we can get those folks to be more in line, that is good.
21:58:59 <rbergeron> alternately, we make an effort to help someone out who is working in the right ways to send the appropriate messaging
21:59:04 <rbergeron> and start growing their numbers
21:59:42 * rbergeron doesn't really have the magic answer here, obviously
22:00:04 <rbergeron> mchua: is there some point in time when i should expect to hear from poelcat about scheduling things?
22:00:56 <mchua> rbergeron: Probably within the next few weeks? I'm not sure, actually. I'll drop him a quick email now and ask.
22:01:52 <mchua> sent.
22:03:08 * mchua still triaging tickets, sigh
22:04:36 <rbergeron> lol
22:05:13 <mchua> the queue is starting to look less deathful, though.
22:05:29 <mchua> I'm dumping everything to f14 pre-alpha (if I'm not closing it) but rbergeron feel free to move to different spots in f14.
22:09:22 <rbergeron> cool.
22:09:43 * rbergeron has to go to the busstop here and then has to go to fax shiz because her fax machine is broked
22:11:15 <mchua> rbergeron: ok - I'll finish triaging tickets but otherwise it seems like we're pretty set.
22:11:21 <mchua> postmortem next tuesday, w00t
22:11:26 <mchua> thanks!
22:11:37 * mchua closes these logs and sends to list for postmortem meeting reference
22:12:36 <mchua> #endmeeting