17:41:09 <nb> #startmeeting mindshare 17:41:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jan 23 17:41:09 2019 UTC. 17:41:09 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:41:09 <zodbot> The chair is nb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:41:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:41:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:41:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me is between meetings and devconf prep 17:41:19 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> but I'd like to see us address the open tickets 17:41:38 <nb> .mindshare 81 17:41:47 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/81 17:41:50 <nb> OSCAL sponsorship 17:41:53 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/81 17:42:21 <nb> I don't really see a budget here 17:42:29 <nb> are they just asking for a sponsorship and no other funding? 17:43:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> for now yes 17:43:25 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> there may be some travel tickets later as we get closer and identify 17:43:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> last year we had a booth 17:43:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> looks like we get that for 6000 unless they do us a deal 17:44:09 * nb thinks $6000 is a lot 17:44:20 <nb> I think we should ask them to figure out if we can get some other sort of deal 17:44:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> How about we vote for 3000 and see if they can get us a similar deal as last year? 17:44:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> they've sometimes considered our travel funding as part of hte sponsorship as it helps them get speakers 17:45:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> or do you think less? 17:45:25 <nb> how much did we sponsor last year? 17:45:29 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I like the idea of having the session 17:45:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me see if he can find it 17:46:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I am not seeing it 17:46:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I feel like it was 1500 or 3000 17:46:43 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> it must have been a cross-year effort like now :P 17:47:26 * nb would feel more comfortable with 1500, but is not totally opposed to 3000 17:47:35 <nb> especially if they count our travel funding as part of it 17:48:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> how about we see if we can get @marianb to comment on the ability to achieve our goals with the 1500 level + travel and if she can coordinate with them on it 17:48:09 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> WDYT? 17:48:17 <nb> +1 17:48:24 <bt0> +1 too 17:48:40 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> ok, I'll update hte ticket right quick -- we can leave the ticket open for other viewpoints from the committee too 17:49:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> updated 17:49:39 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/82 17:49:44 <nb> SCALE funding 17:50:13 * nb thinks it appears reasonable 17:50:36 <nb> although they might could elaborate on what specifically they want to do at their booth 17:51:19 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> that's what I'd like to hear 17:51:49 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I am not opposed, but the idea would help me be +2 :D 17:52:04 <nb> proposed: defer, ask for more information about what they want to do at the booth 17:52:12 <nb> they have good info on why to attend the conference 17:52:29 <nb> but not specifics on what our goals are 17:53:00 <nb> there's not anything really we can pre-pay there, so i don't think we are in a really big time constraint with that 17:53:08 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> can you update that ticket? I now have someone talking to me about harddrives in person :D 17:53:26 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> exactly re: time crunch 17:53:53 <nb> I can update it 17:54:01 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/83 SouthEast LinuxFest 17:54:05 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> ty 17:54:18 * nb would like to get this approved ASAP so we can pay the $500 sponsorship out of this year's budget 17:54:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm here 17:54:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me reads 17:55:11 <nb> Southern_Gentlem, is here also and is one of the other ambassadors attending 17:55:46 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> +1 to bronze sponsorship 17:55:50 <nb> requesting $1,450 budget, but will probably come in under that, they haven't announced the exact hotel cost yet other than that it will be "similar to last year" 17:55:57 <Southern_Gentlem> we will have workstation demos 17:56:06 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> if it gets approved we need an invoice ASAP 17:56:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> +1 to all of the 1450 budget imho 17:56:23 <nb> there is a possibility that I will need funding as well, which will be another ~$750 total 17:56:24 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I'd like to know who is taking point on server just so we know it is covered 17:56:27 <nb> but i don't think that will happen 17:56:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm +1 too 17:56:48 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I am happy to revisit that if it happens 17:56:53 <nb> ok 17:57:07 <Southern_Gentlem> if mattd doesnt make it andrew ward can cover server 17:57:09 * nb is pretty sure my employer will pay 17:57:20 * nb is +1 of course 17:57:27 <bt0> yes +1 17:57:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> sounds like we need to make sure these demos are rolling now - and the awesome bit is we can offer them to others for reuse :D :D 17:57:43 <nb> bexelbie, how many votes do we need to #approved? 17:57:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I suggest we record these two +1s and that @nb not vote :D -- but leave open for a week to get any other opinons 17:57:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I think we are good otherwise 17:58:04 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> since you're in the event, I think you should recuse @nb 17:58:15 <nb> it's already been open for a week, so does it have to be open for another week since we have +3? 17:58:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> It isn't a doubt about your sincerity - but we have other active membes who just are busy tonight 17:58:18 * nb will recuse 17:58:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I see +2 with your recuse - who'd I miss? 17:58:44 <nb> bt0, x3mboy, bex 17:58:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> also, I'd argue the vote wasn't called for 17:58:49 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> ahh 17:58:50 <nb> true 17:58:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> up to you all - if you feel it is long enough 17:59:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I'd like to put the others on "record" 17:59:12 <nb> jsmith had mentioned he wasn't opposed, but just wanted to see more info 17:59:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> and I think we will be fine on time even with a week as the only expense today is the sponsorshp 17:59:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> and we expect it to pass so they can get it to me asap 17:59:24 <nb> and mleonova i don't see on much 17:59:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I'd like to give @jaredsmith a chance 17:59:41 <nb> yeah 17:59:56 <Southern_Gentlem> jsmith ping vote 18:00:07 <nb> @bexelbie I'll go ahead and ask for the invoice with the condition that it isn't formally approved yet 18:00:14 <nb> then it can be ready to pay after he votes 18:00:35 <nb> and sumantro 18:00:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I suspect by the time it is ready we'll be approved 18:00:56 <nb> yeah 18:01:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> and it won't happen before my next processing window 18:01:10 <Southern_Gentlem> bex x3boy and bt0 were +1 plus nb 18:01:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I think we are going to be good here and I stoked about a server and desktop demo side-by-side 18:01:24 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I hope we can get those demos shared out so others can use them 18:01:39 <nb> @bexelbie ok. 18:01:43 <nb> I will update the ticket 18:02:29 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> +1 :) 18:02:40 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/84 18:02:55 <nb> LinuxFest NorthWest 18:03:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I really like that this probably has a talk with it. I'd love to collaborate on that talk and see if we can use that content again and again 18:04:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I am +1 to the budget as proposed with just Jeff and very open to adding more if we identify other parties 18:04:07 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I'd love to see that server demo show up too :D 18:04:55 <nb> @bexelbie just to clarify, the $750 sponsorship one, or the free table one? 18:05:15 * nb thinks 750 sponsorship is ok. 18:05:22 <bt0> me too 18:05:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I didn't see it as an either/or - I thought we needed to sponsor to get the table 18:05:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I think we need the booth 18:05:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm looking what silver covers 18:05:46 <nb> @bexelbie they generally will give us a free booth AFAIK 18:05:53 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> But yeah, we need the booth 18:06:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I'd like Jeff to clarify then because his opening line says we pay 750 for the booth 18:06:47 <tg-fedmindshare> 'Untitled Image' uploaded by x3mboy: https://i.imgur.com/iX6zlgl.jpg 18:07:12 <nb> We provide free exhibit hall space to our not-for-profit, open source projects. In addition to a 5' table, your logo will be 18:07:12 <nb> shown on the LFNW web site. If you need more space, consider applying for a 10' booth sponsorship or contact us 18:07:12 <nb> about other opportunities. 18:07:20 <nb> AFAIK LFNW has considered us a open source project 18:07:28 <nb> even though we aren't really a not-for-profit 18:07:34 <nb> but I think supporting the conference is good 18:07:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I think they already pay for Silver, because the Fedora logo is already in the website 18:08:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> If the sponsorship will help us be more successful, I am +1 as we have hte money right now 18:08:19 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> in another situation I might be wanting to balance that against other requests - but we dont' have those now :( 18:09:40 <nb> yeah 18:10:18 <nb> last year we only paid for the supporting attendee pass 18:10:27 <nb> but /me is +1 to silver sponsor this year 18:11:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm +1 18:11:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> It looks pretty good, to be honest 18:12:48 <nb> bt0, ping 18:12:48 <zodbot> nb: Ping with data, please: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/No_naked_pings 18:13:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> let's move forward like with SELF, leave it open for more votes and ask for the invoice? 18:13:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> wdyt? 18:13:20 <nb> ok 18:13:23 <bt0> ok, +1 to silver too 18:13:29 <bt0> ok 18:13:46 <nb> #agreed tentatively approved, leave open for more votes from absent members, go ahead and ask for invoice 18:14:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> can you do these updates too /me is now full on pulled into an AV conversation on the side 18:14:36 * nb will 18:14:55 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/85 linux in edinburgh 18:15:13 <nb> +1 18:15:33 <bt0> +1 too sounds like a big RP for me 18:15:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> +1 18:15:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I am +1 but I'd like to remind that in the future these events would typically be $150 events. I look forward to the event report 18:16:07 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> $150 events in my opinion 18:16:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> missed those words 18:16:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> sorry 18:16:58 * nb will update ticket 18:17:01 <nb> #topic open floor 18:17:03 <nb> any other topics? 18:17:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me will miss this meeting next week as I'll be on a train, iirc 18:17:25 <bt0> thanks nb 18:17:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> thank you for running this meeting @nb 18:17:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> nb++ 18:17:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me has no other topics 18:17:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> /me neither 18:18:50 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Well I have a topic 18:19:08 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me listens 18:19:21 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> People is adding wiki pages to their events= 18:19:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> ? 18:19:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Also, Can we do something to encourage the use of the Event's calendar on fedocal 18:19:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> iirc the advocate process doesn't require it 18:20:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I think we have htat in the advocate process 18:20:19 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> we need to get the amby version done (hint hint :D) 18:20:20 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Sure, yulytas for sure is not an advocate 18:20:26 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me looks at @nb :P 18:20:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I don't see how the process will differ much - but hte amounts will 18:20:38 * nb needs to get that done 18:20:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> we need the same basic data 18:20:52 * nb was supposed to be making the emeritus proposal 18:20:58 * nb will try to write up something this week 18:20:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I think we should be able to almost have one process with different value notes 18:21:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Ok 18:21:22 <nb> @x3mboy NA used to require every event to have a wiki page 18:21:25 <nb> now we don't 18:21:31 <nb> so some of the ambassadors still have been making oen 18:21:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I mean, in Latam we have a process to create tickets that includes the wiki page 18:21:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> nb, Do you have a clear reason to not do it anymore? 18:22:20 <nb> @x3mboy our processes do not require it 18:22:28 <nb> Mindshare has not said it is required AFAIK 18:22:39 * nb is not sure what the benefit of it is 18:22:41 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I wonder why we need it - if we can capture the decisoin data in the ticket 18:22:51 * nb agrees with bexelbie 18:22:55 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I'd rather see wiki pages created because someone uses them to move their event forward where they need it 18:22:58 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> not just to check a box 18:23:09 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Mmmm ok 18:23:25 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I think you're right, it's just the way we used to work 18:23:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I think that is why they are in these tickets 18:23:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Like I said, we required it in latam 18:23:50 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> if it breaks stuff , lets require it 18:24:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> but I'd love to see this process be as friction free as possible for ambys too :D 18:24:07 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Now that is in our hands as Minshare, we never say we need it 18:24:25 <nb> @bexelbie yeah, i think it is less friction to just create a ticket and put everything there 18:24:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm +1 18:24:40 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> But we should document it 18:24:50 <nb> @x3mboy what is to document? it was never required by mindshare 18:24:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Do you follow me? 18:24:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> @x3mboy can you help craeete the new doc? 18:25:08 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> the one for ambys? 18:25:09 <nb> maybe send a email to the mailing list saying FYI you don't have to have a wiki page anymore 18:25:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> Sure, but it was required I think in both EMEA and LATAM 18:25:21 <nb> it was required in NA as well 18:25:38 <nb> but I think just sending out a email would be good enough 18:25:42 <nb> for documenting that it is no longer required 18:25:46 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I suggest we start from this https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare-committee/advocate/ 18:25:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> @bexelbie sure 18:26:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> But it will take me probably 2 weeks 18:26:18 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> I'm in several things, both personal and Fedora related 18:26:42 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I respect 18:26:49 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I can't even pretend I will help for at least 2 weeks 18:26:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <x3mboy> (Y) 18:26:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> I have 2 conferences in a row with serious responsibilites at them 18:29:07 <nb> @bexelbie does award still have a working credit card? I know he was having trouble with it at one point 18:29:25 <nb> or is it too late to have him use it for this FY? 18:29:37 * nb was not sure whether to send invoice to you or to award when I get it 18:29:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> please send the invoice to me 18:30:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> Award's credit card should work but he'll need to halt soon 18:30:06 <nb> ok 18:30:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> to prevent slip 18:30:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> and I can push larger charges easier 18:30:44 <nb> ok 18:30:49 <nb> anything else before I endmeeting? 18:31:19 <tg-fedmindshare> <bexelbie> /me is still good 18:31:28 <nb> #endmeeting