17:32:39 <bt0> #startmeeting Fedora Mindshare (2020-06-17) 17:32:39 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Jun 17 17:32:39 2020 UTC. 17:32:39 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:32:39 <zodbot> The chair is bt0. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:32:39 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:32:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'fedora_mindshare_(2020-06-17)' 17:32:39 <bt0> #meetingname Mindshare 17:32:39 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 17:32:39 <bt0> #chair bt0 codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica siddharthvipul 17:32:39 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0 codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor siddharthvipul tatica x3mboy 17:33:00 <bt0> #topic Agenda 17:33:00 <bt0> #info (1) Roll call / Q&A 17:33:00 <bt0> #info (2) Announcements 17:33:00 <bt0> #info (3) Welcome tatica @tatica 17:33:00 <bt0> #info (4) Tickets 17:33:00 <bt0> #info (5) Open floor 17:33:22 <bt0> #topic Roll Call / Q&A 17:33:39 * siddharthvipul is here :) 17:33:47 * bt0 too 17:33:56 * hhlp too 17:34:52 * jwf waves 17:34:52 <bt0> super 17:35:22 <bt0> #topic Announcements 17:35:31 * nasirhm waves 17:35:35 <bt0> #info Orphaned packages seeking maintainers 17:35:36 <bt0> #link https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/devel-announce@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/RBS7L7LTKRINWPNA7ZX2PKILABK7EKJB/ 17:35:46 <bt0> #info The GNOME Community Engagement Challenge is accepting applications through 1 July. 17:35:46 <bt0> #link https://www.gnome.org/challenge/ 17:35:56 <bt0> #info The Modularity team published the results of the Modularity survey 17:35:57 <bt0> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-survey-results/ 17:36:08 <bt0> (this is old but good to read) 17:36:16 <jwf> It was a good read 17:36:18 <bt0> #info The Fedora Council is considering a proposal on the process of withdrawing sponsorship from events. 17:36:18 <bt0> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/council-policy-proposal-withdrawing-support-from-events/ 17:36:34 <bt0> #info The Fedora 32 election results are now available. 17:36:34 <bt0> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-32-elections-results/ 17:37:25 <bt0> Thanks to bcotton++ for his amazing work in the weekly reports 17:38:05 <bt0> #topic Welcome tatica @tatica 17:38:20 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, welcome :) 17:38:24 <bt0> #info tatica win the elections Welcome @tatica !!! 17:38:34 <nasirhm> Welcome to Mindshare @tatica 17:38:37 <jwf> Welcome tatica++ and a warm thank-you to @sumantro93 for his time and contributions :) 17:38:47 <hhlp> Welcome to the cloud @tatica 17:39:06 <bt0> I highly appreciate sumantrom's work on Mindshare 17:39:21 <bt0> thanks sumantrom :) 17:39:33 <nasirhm> Thank you sumantro for your awesome contributions within Mindshare and Summer Coding things. 17:40:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> thank you al! 17:40:25 <bt0> Hi tatica :) 17:40:36 <bt0> Some words? 17:40:42 <bt0> any doubts? 17:40:44 <nasirhm> Heya @tatica :) 17:42:28 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> none yet. lets start :) 17:43:07 <bt0> ok 17:43:16 <bt0> #topic Tickets 17:43:25 <bt0> #info Update Mindshare Pagure group 17:43:39 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/222 17:43:58 <bt0> this is one easy one 17:44:09 <siddharthvipul> bt0: yeah, I guess I am to be added there as well 17:44:24 <bt0> let me check the status 17:44:43 <siddharthvipul> .members mindshare 17:44:44 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: Members of mindshare: bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc @riecatnor sumantrom x3mboy 17:45:04 <siddharthvipul> seems just riecatnor can do it 17:45:32 <bt0> I forgot that command :) thank vipul 17:45:47 <siddharthvipul> :) 17:47:06 <bt0> ok next one 17:47:29 <bt0> #info New Mindshare rep to Fedora Council needed 17:47:29 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/221 17:48:21 <bt0> anyone is volunteer? 17:48:41 <siddharthvipul> do we have any volunteer for this? I just want to emphasis that this would be a rather active work. Since we are in a similar issue where the communication was the issue. would be good to ensure that whoever it is.. will attend council meetings and also do the communication here 17:49:14 <bt0> it's right 17:49:25 <siddharthvipul> I was thinking if we need 2 reps in council (since riecatnor is already one) but I guess it would be putting more work on her.. so if we are to select one.. we better think of that :) 17:50:40 <bt0> ok, we need comment in the ticket our doubts and ideas, is more easy 17:50:48 <bt0> to track 17:50:55 <siddharthvipul> do we have any written responsibilities? 17:51:03 <nasirhm> I agree. 17:51:58 <jwf> siddharthvipul: If not, it is a great opportunity to begin writing them :) 17:52:08 <bt0> about our representation on Council? I don't know but if we don't we need document it 17:52:14 <bt0> sure :) 17:52:28 <siddharthvipul> jwf: fair.. I will see if I can think of roles that makes sense for mindshare rep in council 17:52:40 <nasirhm> Having the responsibilities documented can help in the future too. 17:52:40 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> I could help with it (documenting), that would be a good way for me to know how everything works 17:52:42 <siddharthvipul> I can also discuss with Sumantro from his experience to see what he sees of it 17:52:57 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, okay if I ping you separately and we can hack on it? 17:53:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> sure 17:53:04 <siddharthvipul> # later 17:53:10 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, great 17:53:15 <nasirhm> siddharthvipul++ for asking with sumantro to share his experience on it :) 17:53:25 <jwf> We could use some of this here :) https://devrel.net/developer-experience/an-introduction-to-friction-logging 17:53:46 <jwf> Except replace "tools" with "the experience of Mindshare" :P 17:53:49 <siddharthvipul> jwf: starred.. :D thank you kind sir.. I am sure that will make life easier 17:54:21 <bt0> tatica++ 17:54:21 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for tatica changed to 3 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:55:17 <siddharthvipul> oh btw @tatica, I forgot to say.. looking forward to your involvement in ambassadors revamp program (context from your mindshare interview).. I am sure you will be amazing 17:55:18 <nasirhm> tatica++ :) 17:55:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> hope so! lot of preasure there :) 17:56:01 <siddharthvipul> @tatica.. oh of course not.. not like there is a fire or something ;) :P 17:56:26 <bt0> the revamp ticket is the next one 17:56:34 <siddharthvipul> smooth transaction 17:57:00 <bt0> next ticket00? 17:57:08 <siddharthvipul> bt0: please :) 17:57:35 <hhlp> go ahead bt0... 17:57:50 <bt0> #info Fedora Ambassadors Revamp 2020 2.0 17:57:50 <bt0> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/218 17:57:50 <bt0> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Ambassadors_Revamp_2020 17:58:18 <jwf> We are all in that revamp together :) I am confident in folks here to pull it off. 17:58:29 <siddharthvipul> so I guess we are at the end of timeline where we can consider this a go? 17:59:11 <bt0> ok, the wiki has the version with the Join sig (now just fedora-join) comments and yes we have a deadline 17:59:24 <bt0> but i don't remember it 17:59:27 <bt0> :P 17:59:31 <bt0> let me search 17:59:44 <siddharthvipul> bt0: I thought it was this meeting.. but yeah, good idea to confirm it 18:00:19 <bt0> :( 18:00:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> I wasn't sure there was a deadline 18:01:01 <bt0> yeah - Publish the proposal on June 3rd in a Mindshare Ticket and then send it out to various mailing lists. Gather community feedback over the period of two weeks until June 17th 18:01:01 <nasirhm> I believe it's in the past meeting. 18:01:12 <bt0> today 18:01:42 <bt0> Make adjustments to the plan for a week and shoot for a start day of work for the new program on June 24th. 18:02:09 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, we timeboxed it(iirc) so that we can plan ahead and look to creating the "task force" :) 18:02:16 <siddharthvipul> I think** important to add this 18:02:33 <bt0> I see feedback but not enough I think 18:03:56 <bt0> Do you think than we have enough feedback from the community to proceed? 18:04:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> oh, you mean deadline for the proposal! fantastic then 18:04:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> I think there has been plenty of feedback 18:04:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> I was part of the feedback before being mindshare :D 18:05:10 <siddharthvipul> hehe, yeah! 18:05:21 <siddharthvipul> no fire means all good? or I am to naive to assume that? 18:05:55 <bt0> cool, so we have a week to make adjustments (if any) to the plan 18:06:55 <nasirhm> bt0: A week sounds good and then moving it to action. 18:08:06 <bt0> so the one million question, What adjustments we need to do? 18:08:30 <bt0> *one million dolars 18:08:53 <siddharthvipul> I think the only issue was join part, already fixed.. I am not sure if waiting for the fix (1 more week) is needed.. but what's needed is our FCAIC to see the next step haha 18:09:18 <bt0> right 18:10:48 <bt0> Do you have another ticket than you want to discuss? 18:10:55 <bt0> hi 3xmboy :) 18:11:16 * nasirhm waves to x3mboy 18:11:19 <x3mboy> .hello2 18:11:19 <zodbot> x3mboy: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com> 18:11:23 <x3mboy> Sorry I'm late 18:11:27 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: howdy :D 18:13:46 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> does the hello works through the bridge? 18:13:59 <siddharthvipul> @tatica, unfortunately not 18:14:06 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> oka 18:14:25 <tg-fedmindshare> <SiddharthVipul> .hello test in case I am missing something 18:14:27 <nasirhm> .hello tatica 18:14:27 <zodbot> nasirhm: tatica 'Maria Gracia Leandro Lombardo' <tatadbb@gmail.com> 18:14:38 <siddharthvipul> yeah, it doesn't work across bridge 18:14:42 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> pure love! I was opening xirc :D 18:14:43 <nasirhm> here @tatica :) 18:14:55 <bt0> :) 18:17:07 <x3mboy> Well, it looks like the discussed tickets doesn't require my attention RN 18:17:32 <x3mboy> So I will continue thinking about the Ambassadors and reading everything 18:18:01 <bt0> ok, please share us your ideas in the ticket :) 18:18:10 <bt0> openfloor? 18:19:08 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> Just wanted to say that I'm really thankfull for the trust, and will try as always to do my best 18:19:14 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> team work rox 18:19:23 <siddharthvipul> O:) 18:19:46 <nasirhm> @Tatica: :) 18:20:50 <bt0> <3 :) 18:21:13 <x3mboy> https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/221#comment-658855 18:21:31 <x3mboy> Also, @Tatica welcome ma'm 18:22:32 <bt0> Cool 18:22:46 <bt0> #topic openfloor 18:23:09 <bt0> any topic for the openfloor? 18:24:20 <x3mboy> There is a call in D&I to Fedora Leadership to make a statement 18:24:47 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: yes, thank you 18:24:54 <siddharthvipul> diversity seat in council needs some attention 18:25:27 <x3mboy> #link https://pagure.io/fedora-diversity/issue/135 18:25:50 <siddharthvipul> oh wrong point.. 18:25:57 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: thank you for this 18:26:34 <x3mboy> So, I think we should open a ticket to brainstorm ideas about it 18:26:48 <bt0> cool 18:27:38 <x3mboy> I became aware that my position about racism is weird. I'm trying to understand several POVs. For me, everything that divide people into gropus can be consider racism 18:28:39 <x3mboy> I'm also aware that All live matters is a political phrase, but in the strict sense of the words, it makes more sense for me. Not only BLM, but every human being matters 18:29:05 <x3mboy> So, I'm not equiped to involve myself into this, but we definitely need to address it 18:29:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> there has been a nice discussion about it at the diversity group 18:30:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> once I finish my work shift I will jump on the ticket and comment. 18:30:14 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> goes quite close to what @x3mboy says about it 18:30:45 <bt0> I'm more like the princess bubblegum "People get built different. We don't need to figure it out, we just need to respect it." 18:31:16 <x3mboy> @Tatica Do you think it makes sense to open a ticket into mindshare to discuss it? Or should we just jump into the D&I ticket 18:32:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> I do believe is still a Diversity task, that once gets to a consensus can be reenforced by mindshare 18:32:34 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy: ticket to discuss a ticket doesn't make too much sense to me.. but whatever you all think :) 18:32:43 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> but, isn't this type of things the reason why we have a diversity team? 18:33:01 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> if not, then we are overtaking their tasks, they need to do their job 18:33:07 <nasirhm> ++ for discussing it in the diversity ticket. 18:33:12 <bt0> I'm think in more in the D&I umbrella and you just point us to the ticket 18:33:21 <bt0> that is fine 18:33:52 <x3mboy> Sure, but my point is that in the ticket their are calling to "Fedora Leadership" (I just knew that was a thing and we are part of it), that's what I though about an internal ticket to settle our position 18:34:15 <x3mboy> Nothing prevent us as individuals to go to the D&I ticket and comment 18:34:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> awareness isn't bad. it's nice to see the ticket and leave feedback there. that's what mindshare should do 18:35:04 <x3mboy> Agree 18:35:06 <bt0> right 18:35:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> is not like "their tickets and ours", we are a team, and we all should comment when people asks opinions 18:35:48 <siddharthvipul> if fedora releases a statement, won't it from all mindshare, council, D&I etc? I don't see this as mindshare and D&I thing separately 18:35:55 <siddharthvipul> so might as well continue on 1 ticket? 18:36:13 <bt0> +1 18:36:16 <x3mboy> +1 18:36:18 <hhlp> +1 18:36:26 <nasirhm> +1 18:36:27 <bt0> cool 18:36:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> I'm actually commenting at the ticket, do you want me to add that part? 18:36:44 <x3mboy> So, please all, let's try to do our work and read and comment the ticket 18:36:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> This might be really important —> @siddharthvipul if fedora releases a statement, won't it from all mindshare, council, D&I etc? I don't see this as mindshare and D&I thing separately 18:37:29 <x3mboy> I think you can comment that we took the point in the Mindshare Committee meeting and we should add our opinions there 18:38:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> thank you 18:38:52 <siddharthvipul> mindshare stands with #BLM <- anything other than this is needed? 18:39:09 <siddharthvipul> I mean I don't mean to take everyone's speech but I don't see anyone questioning this statement 18:40:03 <siddharthvipul> once council, fesco and mindshare all agree to this, D&I can work on the blog/statement on social media etc what they see apt 18:40:29 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> Saddly, I disagree. Things are never one-sided <siddharthvipul> mindshare stands with #BLM <- anything other than this is needed? 18:40:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> as I stated at the diversity channel, personally I'm in favor of protesting for BLM rights, but I'm against the wave of violence that has started. 18:41:07 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> but again, that's a very personal opinion on that matter 18:42:23 * nb looks 18:42:41 * bt0 waves nb 18:42:57 * nasirhm wave to nb 18:43:00 <bt0> T.T.. Can I close the meeting? (We ran out of time) 18:43:15 <hhlp> please... 18:43:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <Tatica> sure 18:43:33 <nasirhm> Have a Good Day/Night Guys. 18:43:38 <bt0> #endmeeting