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17:33:48 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica siddharthvipul1
17:33:48 <riecatnor> #info Agenda is at: https://board.net/p/fedora-mindshare
17:33:48 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
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17:33:48 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor siddharthvipul1 tatica x3mboy
17:33:49 <riecatnor> #topic Hello
17:34:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I am pretty sleepy
17:34:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Could definitely use a cup of coffee haha
17:34:02 <pbokoc> 'sup
17:34:09 <nb> hi
17:34:11 <nb> I am here
17:34:25 <riecatnor> lol, or just sleep siddharthvipul !
17:34:34 <riecatnor> what is everyone's favorite way to make coffee?
17:34:52 <riecatnor> I have been making single cups with pour over and it is SO good
17:35:16 * nb does not drink coffee
17:35:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I have been into French press and cold brew...
17:35:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I am definitely interested in pour over but also know that it can be painful to maintain
17:36:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> /me checks some v60 options on Amazon
17:36:14 <riecatnor> well, every time you want a cup making it is a little annoying
17:36:32 <riecatnor> nb, how about tea?
17:36:49 <riecatnor> hey pbokoc !
17:36:59 <riecatnor> hi bt0 !
17:37:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I enjoy the process tbh
17:37:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Grinding beans, taking a break and just waiting :p
17:37:18 <bt0> Hi
17:37:25 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> o/
17:37:35 <hhlp> o/
17:37:36 <riecatnor> yes! one of my favorite parts is pouring the hot water over the grinds for the first time, the aroma is just great
17:37:58 <x3mboy[m]> .hello2
17:37:59 <zodbot> x3mboy[m]: Sorry, but you don't exist
17:37:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Yeah French press doesn't do that😂
17:38:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> x3mboy: o/
17:38:18 <x3mboy[m]> .hello x3mboy
17:38:19 <zodbot> x3mboy[m]: x3mboy 'Eduard Lucena' <eduardlucena@gmail.com>
17:38:44 <riecatnor> hi x3mboy[m] !
17:38:45 <x3mboy[m]> SiddharthVipul Hi o/
17:38:50 <nb> riecatnor I like Passion Tea (or Passion Tea Lemonade) from Starbucks
17:39:05 <bt0> .hello bt0dotninja
17:39:06 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
17:39:11 <riecatnor> yum :D tea & lemonade were made for each other
17:39:28 <riecatnor> #topic tickets
17:39:33 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/235
17:39:37 <x3mboy[m]> I do coffee with a filter
17:40:19 <riecatnor> x3mboy[m], I do like to make a drip pot of coffee when I know it's a big day :P
17:40:26 <bt0> i use an italian style coffee maker
17:40:40 <riecatnor> the espresso maker, bt0?
17:40:47 <bt0> yep
17:41:18 <riecatnor> that makes amazing coffee. I have a friend in Rochester who is an immigrant from Italy, and she makes me the best espresso of my life!!
17:41:24 <x3mboy[m]> We called 'manga' not sure how is called out there
17:41:54 <riecatnor> so for ticket 235, I opened this to further our Mindshare visibility efforts
17:42:38 <riecatnor> I would like us to work on a survey to understand what the community knows, and improve our effort
17:42:48 <bt0> It's a great idea :P
17:42:59 <x3mboy[m]> I agreed with that
17:43:19 <pbokoc> hey, how about we explain what we do in a paragraph inside the survey asking if people know what we do! :)
17:43:23 <x3mboy[m]> I think we did a good thing with the podcast episode, but we need to go further
17:43:28 <riecatnor> since we are still in the process of formalizing the survey use, no need to rush this one
17:43:58 <riecatnor> pbokoc, also a good idea. That makes me think it would be cool to make some short educational thing people can watch, and then the survey comes after sort of like a quiz
17:44:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Love the idea
17:44:29 <pbokoc> hmm yeah
17:44:48 <riecatnor> I am thinking moving graphics, but hey, that is a lot of work. I do think including a short description in the survey as is would be beneficial
17:45:37 <riecatnor> I will comment on the ticket with some notes
17:45:38 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/234
17:46:22 <x3mboy[m]> I will comment on that
17:46:57 <riecatnor> I have an update on 234 !!
17:47:03 <pbokoc> nice
17:47:08 * nb hopes it is a good update ;)
17:47:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> :p
17:47:26 * bt0 is waiting a good notice
17:47:55 <riecatnor> yesss, we have access, and as I described, we are sharing that with OSPO. So, there is an request form for dates with some other info. I will adapt this and put it in the ticket. We can use that to create a template
17:48:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Awesome
17:48:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> :D
17:48:14 <bt0> amazing
17:48:26 <nb> riecatnor great! I am willing to help with hopin stuff, if needed
17:48:31 <riecatnor> Basically, we do need to request for dates, but it is not a limitation of the platform. It is a limitation of the administrative spots
17:49:06 <riecatnor> There are 10 spots for organizers in there, and one-two will always be taken by our OSPO events people
17:50:03 <riecatnor> How I envision this is getting it all set up on the platform in advance, and then only 2-4 of us really needing to admin per event.
17:50:24 <nb> yeah
17:50:58 <riecatnor> So I am putting on my to do list to get the info that they will need and we can do what we need to do on our end to make that understandable
17:51:49 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/233
17:53:13 <riecatnor> bt0, siddharthvipul this looks great so far
17:53:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> bt0 did a great job :)
17:53:39 <riecatnor> curious, is there somewhere I can view this where it is a bit more readable?
17:53:42 <bt0> I pushed the pagure template, we only need formalice the of the privacy/content policy
17:53:48 <riecatnor> ah, i see
17:54:37 <riecatnor> So, there is GDPR and CCPA. And there is also another factor which I forgot to mention last week that does not allow us to ask for PII (personally identifying information)
17:54:49 <bt0> I can propose one (using the the planet/wiki example)
17:55:38 <riecatnor> The other factor is if we did ask for all kinds of personal info, it could potentially identify people. For example what if we only have one contributor who is black and also lives in Spain and is bisexual? (picking random out of a hat for this lol)
17:56:11 <riecatnor> so this could in essence out people
17:56:17 <bt0> sure correlate that dara can give us the contributor name
17:56:23 <bt0> *data
17:56:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> We could keep such things case by case basis
17:56:36 <riecatnor> for various personal things that could potentially risk their well being, or even their life
17:56:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> ++
17:57:18 <riecatnor> I forgot to add this part last week, but it is very important aspect to structuring the surveys
17:57:54 <riecatnor> bt0, that sounds great
17:58:02 <riecatnor> for proposal :)
17:58:19 <riecatnor> and yeah, we have some stuff to build on so that is good
17:58:23 <x3mboy[m]> Sorry, I'm back}
17:58:27 <x3mboy[m]> * Sorry, I'm back
17:58:28 <bt0> we need to be careful, let me make the proposal as a draft and then ask for your revire
17:58:34 <bt0> review*
17:58:34 <riecatnor> bt0, sounds good
17:59:03 <bt0> cool
17:59:12 <riecatnor> for content policy, this is a paragraph guiding people on how to approach writing the surveys?
17:59:19 <bt0> I will update the ticket asap
17:59:27 <riecatnor> or is privacy/content policy one and the same?
17:59:47 <bt0> separate
18:00:16 <bt0> both are independent
18:00:18 <riecatnor> right
18:00:36 <riecatnor> ok, so am I correct? It is to guide people to write a good survey so we don't have to edit much? :P
18:02:57 <bt0> right
18:03:14 <riecatnor> siddharthvipul, is this something you can work on?
18:03:21 <riecatnor> You are the resident survey expert ;)
18:03:49 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> On "how to write a good survey"?
18:03:49 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I can give it a try :)
18:03:59 <riecatnor> Content Policy :P
18:04:11 <bt0> :) siddharthvipul++
18:04:21 <x3mboy[m]> What kind of surveys will/can be done with this?
18:04:32 <x3mboy[m]> Anyone can request the use of the platform?
18:04:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I am not sure what exactly that means
18:04:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> But I guess I just need to explore more (what I am not sleepy) :p
18:04:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Sure
18:04:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I will do it
18:04:45 <riecatnor> things like, keep your questions short, do not only do open response, here are the different structures you can use
18:04:54 <bt0> not yet x3mboy
18:05:04 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> x3mboy, anyone fedora community member should be able to request as long as it's relevant
18:05:13 <riecatnor> x3mboy[m], yep, what siddharthvipul said :)
18:05:26 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> riecatnor, got it
18:05:28 <riecatnor> so it should benefit the project in some way
18:06:24 <x3mboy[m]> I see the value of doing a survey, but I find a little hard to see as a need for the whole project
18:06:35 <x3mboy[m]> I mean, how frequent surveys are?
18:06:44 <riecatnor> I don't foresee that many people asking to use it
18:07:09 <x3mboy[m]> But, I think is a good thing to have a tool to use when is needed
18:07:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> x3mboy, see it this way
18:07:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Mindshare/d&I/CPE/Infra needs it
18:07:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Now we have an account
18:07:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Might as well offer it to others
18:07:12 <riecatnor> What I do foresee is people saying "we had a subscription to a survey account and I didn't know or have access?"
18:07:42 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Those groups are just examples btw :)
18:08:10 <x3mboy[m]> siddharthvipul, riecantor, I got that. Well, let's see, hopefully people that need to do a survey can reach us
18:08:33 <riecatnor> That is why we will document it well, and I think when its all set we can do a comm blog post
18:08:53 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> And about frequency: it's not that.. the issue is even when it's just once a year, the bike shedding of what tool to use because people don't like gforms.. this is cleari those pain points
18:09:10 <bt0> :) i think is a great tool we need give a opportunity and promote it
18:09:22 <riecatnor> Another point to add is we can say no to a survey request, nothing says we have to go through with each idea. Just like we help people to organize an event, same thing, we help them make a useful survey or we say no
18:09:53 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> yep
18:09:53 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> That's where mindshare steps in :) riecatnor++
18:10:07 <riecatnor> I don't expect to get that many requests tbh
18:10:14 <riecatnor> ok, so.. anything else on surveys?
18:10:18 <x3mboy[m]> Sure, It's not like we are going to do a survey on best text editor
18:10:21 <x3mboy[m]> :-D
18:10:25 <riecatnor> hahahahaha
18:10:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Err... That was my first proposal.. let me remove that
18:10:46 <x3mboy[m]> LOL
18:10:48 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Next is.. tabs vs spaces
18:10:49 <bt0> hehehehe :wq!
18:10:57 <riecatnor> :P
18:11:00 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/217
18:11:23 <riecatnor> Is this on me to do something?
18:11:28 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Riecatnor, we can do a similar thing like FWD idea
18:11:31 <riecatnor> I need to take those dates and email that out?
18:11:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> For f33 that is
18:11:35 <x3mboy[m]> I think is waiting for hopin
18:11:36 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> On hopin
18:11:59 <riecatnor> mm, yep, ok, we have hopin! we can request dates asap, so I will circulate those and we can gather feedback
18:12:13 <x3mboy[m]> +1
18:12:14 <riecatnor> I think giving one week is enough time for feedback? I want to make sure we get the dates
18:12:48 * x3mboy[m] notices that his last RP was F26 and that makes him sad
18:13:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Mm
18:13:00 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> For dates, won't it be better to do after the release
18:13:17 <riecatnor> So, I had an idea to do a fun social event for Nest, but honestly had to much *critical* things to do that I didn't get to it.
18:13:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> I mean event and not the planning and survey
18:13:41 <riecatnor> the dates are after the release siddharthvipul ?
18:13:58 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> They are release party
18:13:58 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> So that makes sense to me
18:14:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Let me confirm I am talking the right ticket
18:14:17 <riecatnor> siddharthvipul, you confuse me me..
18:14:18 <riecatnor> lol
18:14:35 <riecatnor> What does the team think of doing a fun social event during the release party weekend?
18:14:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Yep, now this should be for f33
18:14:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Release party for f32 is too late now
18:14:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> So let's do f33
18:14:50 <riecatnor> Yes, but we did discuss on that ticket F33 :D
18:15:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Right right.. f33 releases in November, right?
18:16:24 <riecatnor> I was thinking of this activity: https://teambuilding.com/events/war-of-the-wizards
18:16:59 <bt0> looks amazinq!!!
18:17:37 <riecatnor> I went to a demo from the company, seems like a lot of fun
18:18:47 <riecatnor> I think we will need to create a signup wiki or something with dates and times
18:19:35 <riecatnor> I will add that onto the ticket
18:19:43 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
18:20:08 <riecatnor> anything for open floor?
18:21:17 <x3mboy[m]> Yes
18:21:33 * nb thinks riecatnor did a great job with the swag packets
18:21:42 <nb> I love the bags, and I had never gotten a lapel pin before
18:21:59 <hhlp> can we update ticket name #217 -> Virtual Release party plans and Idea not only for F32? WDYT?
18:22:16 <riecatnor> the enamel pins are new!
18:22:21 <nb> oh nice
18:22:22 <riecatnor> yes hhlp that is a good idea
18:22:29 <x3mboy[m]> As you probably know, me and nb are the members of the committee
18:22:47 <hhlp> done fix it
18:22:58 <riecatnor> thanks :)
18:23:15 <x3mboy[m]> I'm planning to step out of the committee at the end of my Council rep, that should be at the end of F34
18:24:11 <x3mboy[m]> And I think it's time to restructure the positions that form the committee
18:24:21 <riecatnor> x3mboy[m], agreed!
18:24:29 <x3mboy[m]> Not sure if you agreed, but we have some "dead sits" and also some "dead teams"
18:24:29 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Whao, actually I am in as well.. I think everyone should get a chance to be in the leadership committee and thus, would like to open my seat for re-election as well. If someone is interested in having the mindshare seat, I will open a ticket and we can track it there.. I am thinking when the current release goes out
18:24:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Seat rotation++
18:24:56 <nb> I thought Vipul was elected?
18:25:08 <nb> so won't we have elections anyway? or am I mistaken
18:25:14 <x3mboy[m]> So, I will put a ticket to propose this and hopefully we/you can come up with a better structure in terms of sits
18:25:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> s/mindshare/mentored-project seat
18:25:19 <riecatnor> I think Vipul was the only candidate?
18:25:49 <nb> oh, vipul was mentored projects
18:25:50 <nb> ok
18:25:52 <riecatnor> x3mboy[m], sounds good. I think it would make sense for us to have a good process in place for this as a committee and not leave it on individual teams
18:26:00 <riecatnor> that has worked just OK, not great.
18:26:54 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> :)
18:27:00 <bt0> I'm waiting for the commops revamp to (re)start the internal commops election process
18:27:22 <x3mboy[m]> And it was ok to form the committee, now that's working, it makes sense to re form it
18:27:24 <riecatnor> bt0, how does commops structure it?
18:27:29 <nb> I think a lot of the teams have had a hard time finding people who were interested
18:27:45 <riecatnor> nb, could have to do with people not understanding what we do as well
18:28:18 <nb> riecatnor is swag currently being shipped? i.e. could I request some more pins to give to some people locally?
18:28:38 <bt0> easy we call for candidates and then we vote
18:28:56 <bt0> the last time I was the only candidate :P
18:29:06 <riecatnor> nb, that would be a separate request
18:29:16 <riecatnor> lol, gotcha bt0
18:29:17 <x3mboy[m]> A lot of people saw us as a replacement of FAmA and with the mission to erase the ambassadors program
18:29:29 <nb> x3mboy[m] famsco
18:29:35 <riecatnor> I think people thought the same about Mindshare and commops?
18:29:41 <riecatnor> like, mindshare came to replace that?
18:29:46 <nb> FAmA kinda still exists (FAmA is just the Admins of the ambassadors group)
18:29:46 <x3mboy[m]> That one, I always forgot the name
18:30:19 <nb> but fama doesn't really do anything anymore either, since the mentors are sponsors
18:31:09 <bt0> I will love look CommOps more active (and I writting more and more metric scripts :))
18:31:11 <riecatnor> well, in the end, seems we are all on board to update this structure
18:31:35 <riecatnor> bt0, CommOps is part of the revamp so YES this is in it's near future :
18:31:36 <riecatnor> :)
18:32:01 <bt0> that make me happy
18:32:06 <riecatnor> anything else? (we are a bit over time)
18:32:18 <bt0> nothing from me
18:32:23 <nb> not i
18:32:28 <tg-fedmindshare> <S​iddharthVipul> Good night y'all
18:32:33 <riecatnor> night siddharthvipul
18:32:41 <riecatnor> have a great day everyone :D
18:32:42 <riecatnor> thanks!
18:32:44 <riecatnor> #endmeeting