16:32:10 <riecatnor> #startmeeting Mindshare
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16:32:10 <riecatnor> #meetingname Mindshare
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16:32:10 <riecatnor> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll nb pbokoc riecatnor @tatica siddharthvipul mizmo
16:32:11 <riecatnor> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
16:32:11 <riecatnor> #topic Hello
16:32:11 <zodbot> Current chairs: @tatica bt0dotninja codeblock mizmo nb pbokoc riecatnor siddharthvipul tyll
16:32:16 <riecatnor> bad copypasta!
16:32:20 <riecatnor> :D hi folks
16:32:24 <riecatnor> .hello riecatnor
16:32:25 <zodbot> riecatnor: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
16:32:27 <bt0> .hello bt0dotninja
16:32:29 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
16:32:32 <bt0> Hi Marie :)
16:32:43 <riecatnor> Hello, Alberto! How are you today?
16:33:04 <bt0> I'm good :)
16:34:22 <mizmo> o/
16:34:49 <riecatnor> heya mizmo
16:34:53 <nb> hi
16:34:59 <riecatnor> hullo nb!
16:35:39 <riecatnor> #topic announcements and information
16:35:45 <riecatnor> anyone have announcements?
16:36:20 <riecatnor> #info Register for the upcoming Fedora Linux 34 Release Party, April 30th & May 1st
16:36:22 <riecatnor> #link https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-34-release-party
16:36:49 <riecatnor> I think that is all I have for today :)
16:36:51 <nb> riecatnor do you need me to help build the schedule?
16:36:56 <riecatnor> #topic tickets
16:37:35 <riecatnor> nb, I haven't gotten all the availability back yet. i was planning to put it together end of this week, then I need to confirm with speakers. At that point, it would be great if you could move the sessions into hopin
16:37:38 <riecatnor> I will be sure to keep you updated
16:37:57 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/262
16:38:09 <nb> riecatnor sure!
16:38:38 <riecatnor> bt0, the changes look good
16:38:55 <bt0> :)
16:39:07 <riecatnor> some of the comments seem resolved, others not
16:39:22 <riecatnor> for example, in the event of two nominees
16:39:30 <bt0> the others need some discussion
16:40:14 <riecatnor> ok, so, about this part
16:40:15 <riecatnor> In the event that more than two nominees are both interested in the representative role, Mindshare will coordinate with the Fedora Program Manager to run an election.
16:40:50 <riecatnor> I think we can say "In the unlikely event that more than two nominees are interested in the representative role, we will allow for additional time to discuss and come to a resolution as a Committee.:
16:40:59 <osezer> .hello thunderbirdtr
16:41:00 <zodbot> osezer: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com>
16:41:03 <riecatnor> hiya osezer
16:41:06 <bt0> yeah, the comments says this is very complicated and maybe a simple voting is better
16:41:23 <riecatnor> I am going to change it, one sec
16:41:25 <bt0> I like that too
16:41:28 <bt0> +1
16:42:28 <riecatnor> changing too "an additional week"
16:43:08 <computerkid> .hello computerkid
16:43:08 <zodbot> computerkid: computerkid 'Grayson Penland' <gpenland06@gmail.com>
16:43:33 <bt0> hi computerkid++ :)
16:43:33 <zodbot> bt0: Karma for computerkid changed to 9 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
16:44:27 <riecatnor> under duration of service:
16:44:28 <riecatnor> In the event that one of the three involved parties wishes to make a change in representative, sufficient reason should be given, and then a new representative will be chosen by Mindshare.
16:44:35 <riecatnor> what is "sufficient reason"
16:44:55 <nb> what is three involved parties?
16:45:07 <nb> and if that includes the representative, I don't think they should have to provide a reason to resign
16:45:20 <bt0> nb Mindshare, Counsil and the representative
16:45:29 <riecatnor> yes, rep should not have to give a reason
16:45:35 <bt0> nb, right
16:46:13 <riecatnor> I am going to write something up, one sec
16:46:26 <bt0> cool
16:48:57 <riecatnor> In the event that the representative to Mindshare needs to step down, they should make the Committee aware and the process to choose a new rep will begin. In the event that the Mindshare Committee or the Council wish to make a change in representative, a thorough explanation of why will be required, and each situation handled on a case by case basis.
16:49:11 <riecatnor> how's that?
16:50:48 <bt0> better
16:50:50 <bt0> +1
16:51:28 <riecatnor> ok, changing it
16:51:34 <nb> +1
16:51:55 <riecatnor> I don't like how hackmd is deleting the comments when I delete the text
16:51:59 <riecatnor> does it save a history of them?
16:52:29 <nb> riecatnor only thing i can think of is: who is the final decision on if the reason why is good enough
16:53:00 <riecatnor> hmmm, i guess the opposing body (so if its mindshare, council gives the yay or nay? and vice versa?
16:54:13 <nb> I am fine with that
16:54:31 <riecatnor> "In the event that the Council wants to change the rep, Mindshare Committee will review and make a final decision, and vice versa. "
16:54:53 <nb> riecatnor I would also be ok with "The council or the mindshare commitee can change the rep if they deem necessary, however, a reason must be given"
16:55:04 <riecatnor> I see Ususal nomination period for other elections is two weeks: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/program_management/elections/#_nominations_for_elected_positions and is already very short considering that people might be on vacation.
16:55:20 <riecatnor> this is the next note, our nomination period is a week, I am fine to extend to two
16:55:46 <nb> I think I would prefer 2
16:55:59 <riecatnor> i see bt0 also agreed in the comment, I am changing it
16:58:18 <riecatnor> ok, those look like all the notes
16:59:02 <riecatnor> I can leave a note on the ticket, but I think that's ready to go now?
16:59:36 <riecatnor> are we ready to push?
17:00:37 <bt0> yes
17:01:01 <riecatnor> since we are on the topic
17:01:02 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/257
17:01:21 <riecatnor> this has now been open for two weeks, with one nominee
17:01:44 <riecatnor> I have an implied +1 as I nominated ;)
17:01:52 <riecatnor> siddharthvipul also provided +1
17:02:14 <nb> +1
17:02:28 <riecatnor> any -1's?
17:02:40 <osezer> +1
17:03:43 <bt0> :)
17:04:47 <riecatnor> seems like we have a new rep :)
17:05:44 <riecatnor> I can close this ticket, yea? we will open new ones to deal with website updates, or do we want to handle those here as well
17:06:12 <riecatnor> (or maybe they are more simple PR's and we don't need a ticket at all)
17:06:25 <bt0> +1 for PR
17:06:43 <osezer> PR +1
17:07:04 <riecatnor> ok that is set
17:07:38 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/111
17:07:50 <riecatnor> ok so here, I think this is on me to make sense of, and look at what we can spend :)
17:08:07 <riecatnor> coasters are a rad idea!
17:08:27 <riecatnor> 6 piece coaster set, 4 freedoms, new logo, old logo
17:08:28 <nb> those coasters were nice
17:08:36 <nb> riecatnor whatever happened to the budget site?
17:08:48 <riecatnor> nb, bex was manually updating it because it never really worked
17:08:53 <nb> oh
17:09:08 <nb> it was nice to be able to see how much budget we had left
17:09:11 <riecatnor> I have a budget report template, but I have to admit i did not do one for 2020. I am happy to say that we spent almost the entirety of our budget :D
17:09:58 <riecatnor> I can tell approx where we are at right now, but its more a matter of what *else* do we need to spend money on this year
17:10:06 <nb> yeah
17:10:07 <riecatnor> to see how much we can drop on swa
17:10:09 <riecatnor> swag*
17:10:39 <bt0> right
17:10:58 <riecatnor> I assigned it to myself, and I am adding it to my to do list to organize the new logo swag project
17:11:41 <riecatnor> (it was still assigned to bex :P )
17:12:01 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/135
17:12:27 <riecatnor> I am +1 to close this
17:12:49 <bt0> +1 too
17:13:17 <riecatnor> but I am curious if folks have comments on the updated design, if so, please add them here:
17:13:18 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/360
17:14:11 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/197
17:14:26 <osezer> <riecatnor "#link https://pagure.io/Fedora-C"> Tree of Fedora :)
17:14:53 <bt0> I like the new design.
17:17:19 <riecatnor> thanks bt0 :)
17:17:31 <riecatnor> ok for 197, wow thats a big one. Not sure we have the time to fully address that rn
17:18:01 <riecatnor> but, i do think its interesting that community things seem to still happen without something like this.
17:18:22 <riecatnor> Like, new CoC is going through policy change process. and the revamps just happened and then turned to objectives
17:19:09 <riecatnor> I guess I would like a concrete example of what a "community change" is.. maybe this ticket really wants to have a promotion process to run community things through for better visibility, which I am all about
17:20:13 <riecatnor> any thoughts on 197?
17:20:44 <bt0> not from me
17:21:44 <riecatnor> yeah, I think we did enough today :P
17:21:47 <riecatnor> #topic open floor
17:23:16 <bt0> I have some time now, I can help making the PR for the Council Mindshare Rep docs
17:25:10 <riecatnor> cool, thanks bt0 :)
17:25:35 <riecatnor> I am working on the release party, behind the scenes stuff to get work adventure set up
17:25:46 <riecatnor> arranging speakers etc :)
17:26:19 <riecatnor> Also started reaching out to sponsors for Nest, if anyone has an organization in mind, feel free to send me an email or message
17:26:24 <bt0> Awesome
17:27:14 <riecatnor> Element onboarding is also still moving, albeit a snail pace
17:27:47 <osezer> riecatnor:  I heard that payment done but rest will be handle by matrix right *
17:27:49 <osezer> * riecatnor:  I heard that payment done but rest will be handle by matrix right ?
17:28:08 <osezer> migration and stuff**
17:28:16 <riecatnor> osezer, I dont know where you heard that :P
17:28:30 <riecatnor> you are sort of right
17:28:36 <osezer> riecatnor:  👼 :))
17:29:10 <riecatnor> it's complex to get it all set up. But bringing element on as a vendor to red hat was a good thing for them.. it helped them improve their process and what to expect with larger corporations
17:29:20 <riecatnor> oh this
17:29:22 <riecatnor> #link https://pagure.io/Fedora-Council/tickets/issue/145#comment-726938
17:29:37 <riecatnor> there is a new draft of the CoC being reviewed by the Fedora Council
17:29:45 <riecatnor> commentary is happening here
17:29:47 <riecatnor> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/policy-proposal-new-code-of-conduct/28822/32
17:30:16 <bt0> I read it, more comprehensive than the current one
17:30:31 <riecatnor> cool :)
17:30:47 <riecatnor> if folks can comment or interact on the discussion page, would be great!
17:31:02 <riecatnor> ok that's all my friends
17:31:11 <riecatnor> hope everyone is having a good week :D
17:31:15 <riecatnor> thanks for being here!
17:31:17 <bt0> thanks Marie :)
17:31:20 <riecatnor> #endmeeting