16:32:08 <siddharthvipul> #startmeeting Mindshare
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16:32:17 <bt0> :)
16:32:26 <siddharthvipul> oh, Marie, can you send me the link? will help me with agenda. Meeting commands are fine
16:32:26 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> https://hackmd.io/pYt805UiQ4ug02Nsbe1Oqw
16:32:43 <siddharthvipul> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll hhlp nb pbokoc riecatnor x3mboy tatica siddharthvipul1
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16:32:43 <siddharthvipul> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
16:32:55 <siddharthvipul> #chair mizmo
16:32:55 <zodbot> Current chairs: bt0dotninja codeblock hhlp mizmo nb pbokoc riecatnor siddharthvipul siddharthvipul1 tatica tyll x3mboy
16:33:17 <siddharthvipul> #topic Hello
16:33:30 <siddharthvipul> .hello siddharthvipul1
16:33:31 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com>
16:33:49 <nb> .hi
16:33:50 <zodbot> nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' <nick@bebout.net>
16:33:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I am here from tg :)
16:34:54 <siddharthvipul> let's wait for a minute or 2 before next agenda announcements and information
16:35:11 <bt0> .hello bt0dotninja
16:35:11 <zodbot> bt0: bt0dotninja 'Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez' <hotgalan@gmail.com>
16:35:12 <siddharthvipul> if you have an announcement, time to fetch the link :)
16:36:16 <computerkid> .hello computerkid
16:36:17 <zodbot> computerkid: computerkid 'Grayson Penland' <gpenland06@gmail.com>
16:36:29 <siddharthvipul> let's move to next, I have a piece of information
16:36:59 <siddharthvipul> #topic announcements and information
16:37:09 <siddharthvipul> copying things from hackmd took longer than expected :P
16:37:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I don't think I have anything new
16:37:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> lol
16:37:23 <siddharthvipul> #info Fedora 34 go/no-go meeting tomorrow
16:37:32 <siddharthvipul> @marie, release party this weekend? :P
16:37:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-34-release-party
16:37:46 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> next weekend!
16:37:50 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> fri/sat
16:38:05 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> if folks want a preview of the schedule: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_34_Release_Party_Schedule#
16:38:10 <siddharthvipul> #info Fedora 34 release party https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-34-release-party
16:38:21 <siddharthvipul> #info schedule at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_34_Release_Party_Schedule#
16:38:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I am just waiting to confirm times with 2 people
16:39:26 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> Websites & Apps Team is proposing an objective for a revamp
16:39:26 <siddharthvipul> this time it seems we might slip the schedule :(
16:39:32 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> oh no
16:39:59 <siddharthvipul> was talking to Release engineer and turns out he hasn't received a RC request yet.. waiting on new signed shim
16:40:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> also there is a discussion around the new program management team here: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/help-wanted-program-management-team/28715
16:40:43 <siddharthvipul> #info catch up with the new program management team discussion here: https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/help-wanted-program-management-team/28715
16:40:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> that's all I have for announcements :)
16:41:03 <siddharthvipul> yeah same here.. we can wait for a minute if someone else has something.. else we can move on
16:41:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <x​3mboy> I have a question
16:41:24 <tg-fedmindshare> <x​3mboy> Sorry to interrupt the meeting
16:41:26 <siddharthvipul> #info our friends at CentOS are also proposing new CoC - https://blog.centos.org/2021/04/code-of-conduct/
16:41:34 <bt0> I'm crossing my fingers for a go tomorrow :)
16:41:49 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> hey Eduard, sure
16:41:58 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy, let's jump to next topic then :) we can discuss it there
16:42:04 <siddharthvipul> #topic tickets and discussions
16:42:15 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy, please go ahead
16:42:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <x​3mboy> If the release is slip one week, the RP is still on time?
16:42:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> yes :)
16:42:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <x​3mboy> I mean, the RP shouldn't be before the release
16:42:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <x​3mboy> Excellent!!!
16:42:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <x​3mboy> That's it
16:42:49 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> lol, either way it is next weekend
16:43:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> too many plans have been made :P and I guess we can talk about what failed lol
16:43:36 <siddharthvipul> yeah, I see release party to be more than just an event after the release.. Understanding changes, appreciating efforts, meeting people etc etc
16:43:53 <siddharthvipul> 1-2 week range shouldn't be an issue
16:44:09 <siddharthvipul> maybe from next time we can keep a buffer of 2-3 week
16:44:11 <bt0> right
16:44:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> good idea
16:45:45 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> a release party related thing
16:45:53 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> we are going to test work adventure at the social hour this thursday
16:46:04 <bt0> wow
16:46:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> Using outreachy intern applicants customized designs :)
16:47:06 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> everyone is welcome to come thursday if you are able to help test
16:47:16 <siddharthvipul> Marie, if you need extra feedback or just want to have more testers, I can join!
16:47:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> 2pm utc
16:47:31 <siddharthvipul> tomorrow, right?
16:47:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> https://app.element.io/#/room/#fedora-social-hour:matrix.org
16:47:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> yep
16:47:41 <bt0> count with me too :)
16:48:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> https://apps.fedoraproject.org/calendar/meeting/9743/
16:48:09 <siddharthvipul> Marie, If you have an event on calendar, could you extend it to me? :P if not, I can create and share it with you haha
16:48:24 <siddharthvipul> oh, this! okay!
16:48:29 <siddharthvipul> thank you :)
16:49:03 <nb> cool
16:49:06 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> siddharthvipul, I also added you to my calendar invite
16:49:15 <siddharthvipul> thank you :")
16:49:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> hopefully it goes well, if not, we have the next social hour to test as well :P
16:50:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> can we talk about https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/261 next
16:50:47 <siddharthvipul> sure
16:50:55 <siddharthvipul> #info https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/261
16:51:42 <siddharthvipul> Do we know someone (we as in mindshare) from Workstation team? I can't think of anyone
16:52:15 <nb> so now bcotton is not interested anymore?
16:52:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> mmm, no, but I don't see why we couldn't drive it. All that seems to be required is to staff a 45 minute booth session
16:52:38 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> the event is may 13-15 (thurs,fri,sat)
16:52:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> https://linuxappsummit.org/assets/2021LAS-Brochure.pdf
16:52:50 <siddharthvipul> If the timezone is India or even EU friendly, I can be available for 45 minutes
16:53:08 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I was looking for a sponsorship deadline, couldn't find one
16:53:24 <nb> depending on time, i could try to help
16:53:30 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> it seems like most folks are +1, is till here
16:54:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I would also be happy to staff a 45 minute office hour session
16:54:55 <bt0> yeah, +1 even if it's an exploratory sponsorship, I can help too
16:55:35 <siddharthvipul> looks like we have good number of volunteers.. if needed, we can reach out to someone from FESCo to ensure technical presence as well
16:55:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I think we could try out using some completed designs from : https://pagure.io/design/issue/745
16:56:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> this one is nice: https://pagure.io/design/issue/raw/files/209f927a8628b6a43438d888d39c44200671cbe004e37502d91dab50a02a8778-draft_5.png
16:56:52 <siddharthvipul> yes, we can do a call to brainstorm on how to utilize the 45 hours with right materials.
16:56:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I was also thinking about having this asset translated
16:56:59 <siddharthvipul> very nice
16:57:18 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> needs the new logo, and a couple small changes, I have the source file
16:58:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> ok, so should I comment there that we are going to view this as somewhat exploratory, to foster new connections, to engage folks with new materials
16:58:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> and that we are moving forward with it? Because I need to get that moving.. the event is in May :)
16:58:52 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> (there is a chance they may say no?)
16:59:02 <siddharthvipul> Marie, let's do that
16:59:18 <siddharthvipul> we have 0 -1s and all concerns seem to be answered?
16:59:37 <siddharthvipul> oh, and a lot of +1 and volunteer interests
16:59:37 <bt0> right
17:00:26 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> cool, I will comment now, and on my priority to do list is send an email to the address provided
17:01:01 <siddharthvipul> Can I interrupt and just say that I am very happy to get a new vps and will be moving from znc to old weechat running in tmux for IRC again :P
17:01:12 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> ok, next one? https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/262
17:01:16 <siddharthvipul> sorry, now we can continue
17:01:24 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> absolutely, Vipul :P
17:01:29 <siddharthvipul> #info https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/262
17:01:34 <siddharthvipul> #undo
17:01:34 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by siddharthvipul at 17:01:29 : https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/262
17:02:03 <siddharthvipul> #info ^, we agree to move forward with sponsorship and have enough volunteers to help with presence
17:02:05 <siddharthvipul> #info https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/262
17:02:53 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> hmmm
17:02:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> one thought
17:03:01 <siddharthvipul> oh nooo, I totally missed the tag.. bt0 sorry
17:03:07 <bt0> :P
17:03:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> should we invite someone from workstation?
17:03:23 <bt0> don't worry
17:03:25 <bt0> yes
17:03:34 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> this is something I can ask Matthew
17:03:36 <bt0> <r​iecatnor> should we invite someone from workstation? Yes
17:03:37 <siddharthvipul> I will review it and comment, adding it to todo list so I don't forget
17:03:51 <siddharthvipul> @riecatnor, for the conference?
17:05:02 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> yeah, it would be good to have an expert in the conference topic
17:05:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> unless folks are feeling fine about that
17:05:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I just reached out to Matthew, I will see what he says before commenting
17:05:43 <siddharthvipul> no no, I think it's good to have expertise or technical member there.. that's why I proposed the idea to reaching out to fesco
17:05:52 <siddharthvipul> someone from workstation team would be great
17:06:06 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> sorry to backtrack
17:06:47 <siddharthvipul> we are all wanderers in mind :)
17:08:14 <siddharthvipul> which next ticket do we talk about?
17:08:32 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> this one, https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/262
17:08:35 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> is it good to close?
17:08:58 <siddharthvipul> I have not reviewed it but if you feel it's good, I have no reasons to think otherwise
17:09:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I wasn't tracking if it got pushed out to the docs
17:09:21 <bt0> not yet
17:09:31 <siddharthvipul> don't see a pr
17:09:34 <siddharthvipul> right, not yet
17:09:51 <pbokoc> I can do that real quick - the text in the hackmd link is final, right?
17:09:57 <bt0> yes
17:09:59 <tyll> to me it seems that the discussion about making it a limited time of service got lost
17:10:43 <bt0> please take a look pbokoc
17:10:51 <siddharthvipul> checking
17:10:57 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> So it needs to say, two release cycles?
17:11:08 <siddharthvipul> yep, bt0 In duration of service, should we mention 2 release cycles?
17:11:10 <bt0> tyll OMG, right maybe we can discuss taht
17:11:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> https://hackmd.io/@ZBDPuu-UTnWdVWbWwAl6qg/SksTnQsr_
17:11:16 <bt0> sure
17:11:22 <siddharthvipul> @riecatnor, yes, that's what I understand
17:11:26 <bt0> sounds good and fair
17:12:01 <tyll> yes, instead of "The representative will serve in this role until they wish to step down or the Council or Mindshare wish to replace them." it should be something like for two release cycles or until...
17:12:55 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> ok, I made a change
17:13:15 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> The representative will serve in this role for two release cycles. They may also step down before that time or the Council or Mindshare may wish to replace them.
17:13:38 <bt0> +1
17:13:40 <tyll> +1
17:13:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> ok, pbokoc, good to go now :)
17:14:13 <siddharthvipul> pbokoc++ for docs work on #262
17:14:13 <zodbot> siddharthvipul: Karma for pbokoc changed to 8 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
17:14:30 <siddharthvipul> and of course, bt0++ and riecatnor++ :)
17:15:05 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> next: https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/31
17:15:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I think we can close this??
17:15:49 <siddharthvipul> bt0, I see you already have a PR for issue 262 up, is it a different thing?
17:15:50 <bt0> yes, I think the revamp handle this one
17:18:01 <bt0> ohh right, close without merge please :) it's the same content of the hackmd but don't have the last correction
17:18:18 <siddharthvipul> done
17:18:32 <siddharthvipul> okay, as Marie said, let's jump to another ticket
17:18:41 <siddharthvipul> #info https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/31
17:19:26 <tyll> +1 to closing
17:20:13 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> cool, I will go ahead and close then?
17:20:27 <bt0> yes
17:20:31 <bt0> +1 to close
17:20:40 <siddharthvipul> let's do it.. always +1 to close tickets
17:20:46 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> lol
17:20:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> i think we can move to open floor
17:21:11 <siddharthvipul> #topic open floor
17:21:34 <siddharthvipul> I had a thing to ask (consider me a CPE liaison for a second)
17:21:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I wanted to propose a monthly/bimonthly video call for mindshare- thoughts??
17:21:59 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> We could use work adventure (free version) to make it more fun
17:22:01 <siddharthvipul> let's go with Marie's question first
17:22:08 <siddharthvipul> +1 for a monthly call
17:22:24 <bt0> +1 for monthly call too
17:22:39 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> If we weren't dealing with covid, we would have def gotten together by now, and I miss everyones face!
17:22:42 <siddharthvipul> about work adventure, if the experience is nice, +1 (I was facing some issues with audoio last time)
17:22:44 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> faces*;)
17:23:04 <siddharthvipul> my face alone is enough to be called faces
17:23:10 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> lol
17:23:10 <siddharthvipul> I can say it, no one else can XD
17:23:14 <bt0> :p
17:23:19 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> the many faces of Vipul
17:23:24 <siddharthvipul> haha
17:24:04 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> ok, so let's wait until after the release party :) how about may 5th?
17:24:27 <bt0> sounds fine for me
17:24:31 <siddharthvipul> Marie, I think monthly video call is great, to find date and time, should we do a whenisgood? or are you thinking of using one of these slots?
17:24:39 <tyll> would this be to replace one of the IRC meetings?
17:24:56 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> tyll, that was my thought
17:25:18 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> we can take notes in irc and publish our log as usual
17:25:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> that is why I said bi-monthly, I wasn't sure if once a month was too much
17:26:03 <siddharthvipul> wait, with bi-monthly you meant once in 2 months?
17:26:11 <siddharthvipul> I thought twice per month.. always confuses me :P
17:26:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> yep
17:26:22 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> that would be fortnightly
17:26:23 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> :P
17:26:33 <siddharthvipul> yeah, that's true!
17:26:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> or bi-weekly
17:26:41 <tyll> for me, having an IRC meeting instead of a video meeting is quite relaxing
17:27:06 <siddharthvipul> I agree.. every 2 months it is
17:27:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> tyll, I am with you, it is less pressure generally
17:27:19 <siddharthvipul> for me too (hit enter too soon)
17:27:27 <bt0> :P
17:27:27 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I think it is nice to connect with faces and voices on occasion
17:27:58 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> ok, different idea. What if we organize a fun event for the team?
17:28:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> (like the ones we do with teambuilidng, but not those :)
17:28:23 * tyll is wondering if there would be value (at least for some topics) to do an audio meeting while everyone is walking, maybe for discussing ideas etc
17:28:30 <siddharthvipul> maybe we could use social hours for those?
17:28:39 <tyll> would be for something that does not require access to pagure
17:28:47 <siddharthvipul> interesting
17:29:11 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> thats tough, the area i live in isn't really for walking around
17:29:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> so, there are a lot of ideas, maybe not enough time to agree on anything today
17:29:42 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I can open a ticket
17:29:48 <siddharthvipul> yep, let's do that (or a thread)
17:29:51 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> Vipul, go ahead with your CPE thing :)
17:29:52 <bt0> better
17:29:56 <siddharthvipul> right
17:30:14 <x3mboy> Can I get a ping on open floor?
17:30:26 <bt0> sure
17:30:35 <siddharthvipul> today someone brought up the idea to have a social media account for CPE (to engage with community more).. and I think we very much consider CPE as a part of community. Could we use fedora-community for those?
17:30:56 <siddharthvipul> x3mboy, we are already in open floor
17:31:03 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> Vipul, so this is for twitter?
17:31:05 <siddharthvipul> also, just noticed, out of time
17:31:10 <siddharthvipul> marie, yes!
17:31:30 <siddharthvipul> @fedoracommunity.. sorry! I thought you all would be able to read my mind and get the context
17:31:33 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> I think this is a good idea, but I would like to work out the details on who has access
17:31:55 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> and I think it should be documented somehow, a ticket? ;)
17:31:57 <tyll> https://twitter.com/fedoracommunity ?
17:31:59 <siddharthvipul> Once I see that mindshare is happy with this, I can take it on ticket
17:32:16 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> well, I dont think we will come to an answer today,
17:32:19 <siddharthvipul> tyll, right, that's the one
17:32:32 <siddharthvipul> I don't think we even need access.. just a proxy to whom we can send things if needed
17:32:53 <siddharthvipul> Marie, oh sure, we can discuss later.. I didn't expect an answer today.. just wanted to bring this to knowledge
17:33:29 <tyll> what kind of engagement do you expect there? Would it be with contributors or users?
17:34:29 <bt0> We need a ticket for follow up this.
17:34:29 <siddharthvipul> tyll, so I imagine a couple of things.. what CPE is upto, once in a while sharing the work progress. definitely not high traffic (or even medium traffic).  I don't see a lot of things
17:34:34 <siddharthvipul> fair
17:34:51 <siddharthvipul> let's close the meeting? we can continue the discussion though
17:35:17 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> sure
17:35:31 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> i can send an email to the list once you close th emeeting
17:35:37 <tg-fedmindshare> <r​iecatnor> thanks for chairing Vipul :)
17:35:42 <siddharthvipul> #endmeeting