16:31:04 #startmeeting Mindshare 16:31:04 Meeting started Wed Jun 2 16:31:04 2021 UTC. 16:31:04 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 16:31:04 The chair is riecatnor. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 16:31:04 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 16:31:04 The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 16:31:04 #meetingname Mindshare 16:31:04 The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 16:31:04 #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll nb pbokoc riecatnor @tatica siddharthvipul relrod mizmo 16:31:04 #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/ 16:31:04 #topic Hello 16:31:04 Current chairs: @tatica bt0dotninja codeblock mizmo nb pbokoc relrod riecatnor siddharthvipul tyll 16:31:25 .hello till 16:31:26 tyll: till 'Till Maas' 16:31:26 hey peeps, sorry if I did a confuse.. meeting is starting now :) 16:31:37 .hello thunderirdtr 16:31:38 thunderbirdtr: Sorry, but you don't exist 16:31:43 .hello thunderbirdtr 16:31:44 thunderbirdtr: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' 16:31:45 heya tyll thunderbirdtr computerkid x3mboy[m] nb 16:31:55 bt0 too :) 16:31:56 .hello2 16:31:56 <p​bokoc> haha every time 16:31:56 computerkid: computerkid 'Grayson Penland' 16:32:08 hello hello 16:32:14 hey pbokoc! 16:32:16 It's okay riecatnor, we all do a confuse sometimes 16:32:52 I feel excitement in the air? I think its the libera chat move + community survey 16:32:56 :) 16:32:59 how's everybody today? 16:33:23 hungry thanks to some people in air :) 16:33:32 .hi 16:33:33 nb: nb 'Nick Bebout' 16:33:34 <p​bokoc> I was going to say "hey riecatnor how are you" but then you said so before I sent it :)) 16:33:38 Tired, a little bit 16:34:18 oh, I am hungry for lunch too! 16:34:34 computerkid, i so feel that feel lol 16:34:57 #topic announcements and information 16:35:40 #info take Fedora's first annual contributor survey and earn a badge! open for the month of June 16:35:42 #link https://fedoraproject.limequery.com/2021 16:36:25 #info voting in Fedora elections is open for one more day, don't forget to vote! 16:36:27 #info Fedora elections almost end as well 16:36:27 <p​bokoc> we have a banner for the survey at docs.fp.o 16:36:28 #link https://elections.fedoraproject.org/ 16:36:52 pbokoc :D yessss we tried to get those all over the place 16:36:59 so far we have 120+ responses 16:37:07 <p​bokoc> nice :) 16:37:08 Yay! I have proposed and the Fedora Podcast team has agreed, we're going to talk about this in the next episode, on the 8th. Hopefully I can get a hold of bookwar to interview. 16:37:08 maybe siddharthvipul has an up to date number for us ;) 16:37:40 computerkid, can you drop the podcast ticket link for that? 16:37:42 161 16:37:53 WOOOOO thanks siddharthvipul :) 16:37:58 https://pagure.io/fedora-podcast/issue/44 16:38:06 :D 16:38:23 hello :) 16:38:29 thanks computerkid I am going to send that to bookwar through DM right now, as we have been discussing survey promotion all morning :) 16:38:31 it's a great number for day 2 16:38:39 computerkid++ 16:38:46 siddharthvipul: you mean 1610 right ? :) 😇 16:38:55 I'm here 16:39:00 thunderbirdtr: haha, maybe that by the end 16:39:16 hi x3mboy[m] glad to have you :) 16:39:18 x3mboy[m]: hello o/ 16:39:20 riecatnor++ Thank you! 16:39:33 hey x3mboy[m]. speak of the podcast and Eduard appears 16:39:47 #info official irc channels have moved to libera.chat 16:39:49 #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/irc-announcement/ 16:39:53 You know 16:39:54 xD 16:40:10 <p​bokoc> oh yeah, I should move there as well 16:41:03 I had a few people assist, in the end it was jflory7[m] to my IRC rescue :D 16:41:21 jwf and nb have been amazing helping us move 16:41:29 I am over on Libera chat now.. nb I do want a cloak, but I think I need to complete all the steps on that cloak wiki page 16:41:40 yeah, she never knew until I told her , (oh , do I already have I account, me : yea =? ) 16:41:54 lol 16:42:02 :D peeps were helping me out before I even know it 16:42:09 one of the reasons i <3 fedora 16:42:13 :)) 16:42:36 nb++ 16:42:38 jwf++ 16:42:38 thunderbirdtr: Karma for jflory7 changed to 9 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:42:43 jwf++ 16:42:43 riecatnor: Karma for jflory7 changed to 10 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:42:47 jwf++ nb++ 16:42:47 computerkid: Karma for jflory7 changed to 11 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 16:42:48 nb++ 16:43:14 I've nb++ -ed like 5 times this cycle 16:43:16 ok, that's all I have for info & announcements 16:43:20 anyone have more? 16:44:10 Old news, but the Fedora podcast is finally officially partnered with DLN. 16:44:11 not from me 16:44:22 riecatnor meh, you don't really have to have an alternate nick and stuff 16:44:25 as long as you have registered 16:44:48 computerkid, the news that keeps on newsin' 16:45:09 nb, cool, I should drop my name onto the wiki then? 16:45:26 riecatnor yep 16:45:32 riecatnor do you want your shiny fcaic cloak? 16:45:44 OHHHH yus :D 16:45:59 now I want a _real_ fcaic cloak 16:46:07 also add "fedorable" as well :) 16:46:20 * nb requests fedora/fedorable-fcaic/riecatnor for riecatnor 16:46:28 YES ! 16:46:49 https://i.ebayimg.com/thumbs/images/g/T80AAOSwPdNdWEff/s-l300.jpg 16:46:55 thank youuuuuu 16:47:16 that, But it's in the lighter new Fedora blue with a giant logo, and says FCAIC 16:47:26 <p​bokoc> wait wait wait, I don't follow 16:47:32 fcaic in gothic handlettering lol 16:48:04 https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/LiberaCloaks 16:48:08 pbokoc ^ 16:48:23 #topic tickets 16:48:24 <p​bokoc> right 16:48:39 <p​bokoc> yeah we should probably cover that in contributor docs 16:48:51 <p​bokoc> at some point :) 16:48:57 thunderbirdtr I really wnat to give mattdm fedora/shiny-fpl/mattdm since he asked for his special shiny fpl cloak 16:49:02 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/273 16:49:11 nb, should I be on that page? 16:49:26 nb please do it and I'll post it on twitter :) 16:49:27 computerkid I thought I already cloaked you? 16:49:35 so real quick on 273, bt0_ & x3mboy[m] either of you have a chance to upload F34 release party videos? 16:49:38 you did, but I'm not in the wiki 16:49:39 or do you need access? 16:49:51 I have time 16:49:57 I do 16:50:00 But I don't have the videos 16:50:05 I have access to _everything_ 16:50:11 are in the ticket 16:50:24 Oh! 16:50:32 computerkid you don't have to be on the wiki if I already did you anyway 16:50:35 x3mboy[m]: I upload the video share ? 16:50:39 they all there 16:50:48 Thank nb 16:51:00 x3mboy[m]: https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/videos/2021/F34%20Release%20Party/FinishedVideos/ 16:51:02 I give you more imaginary cookies that zodbot doesn't accept 16:51:11 x3mboy[m]: and covers : https://dl.fedoraproject.org/pub/alt/videos/2021/F34%20Release%20Party/Cover%20Slides/PNG/ 16:51:13 thank you x3mboy[m] 16:51:20 and thunderbirdtr too :) 16:51:26 11:51 *** riecatnor has changed hostname to fedora/fedorable-fcaic/riecatnor 16:51:27 Is someone editing those? 16:51:28 I'm downloading them now 16:51:34 11:51 *** mattdm has changed hostname to fedora/shiny-fpl/mattdm 16:51:38 If they aren't edited, and need to be, I can edit 16:51:39 computerkid: I did all 16:51:39 Probably will be up this night or tomorrow morning 16:51:44 Okay, thanks thunderbirdtr 16:51:48 np 16:51:53 cool! 16:51:55 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/277 16:52:17 it seems like we have almost a full consensus here 16:52:19 ping Eighth_Doctor 16:52:26 pong 16:52:34 Ticket ^ 16:52:40 Awesome! 16:52:44 sweetness 16:52:46 thunderbirdtr mattdm is shiny now 16:52:51 I would like to attend Akadamy 2021 16:52:57 Are we ready to approve the request on 277? 16:53:00 it'll be great to sponsor Akademy at the platinum tier 16:53:08 nb: RT please : https://twitter.com/thunderbirdtr/status/1400133293601927168 :) 16:53:15 Once we do I can get the sponsor process rolling 16:53:16 nb, can you help me to migrate the i3 channel to the Fedora Space 16:53:21 I thought we were doing Gold? 16:53:37 computerkid, see https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/277#comment-734775 16:54:05 Oh, sorry 16:54:16 no worries :) 16:54:23 x3mboy[m] what is needed? 16:54:30 x3mboy[m] I thought I already added you as an op 16:54:32 and bridge 16:54:40 <p​bokoc> I'd like to see Platinum; KDE is a seriously underappreciated desktop environment and GNOME could use some competition 16:54:47 I appreciate the need for the irc coordination, but seems offtopic for the moment 16:54:52 x3mboy[m] the fedora space on matrix is not official, we wish people wouldn't have set it up. we are working on matrix stuff already 16:54:55 riecatnor good point, sorry 16:54:59 no worries :) 16:55:55 We have wiggle room in our budget based on the needs I have forecasted for the rest of the year. This is after earmarking 40k for new swag as well. 16:56:01 * x3mboy[m] uploaded an image: (31KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/DvpKpzvsUUdNtLcMOWTibRzu/image.png > 16:56:08 nb: got it, but still: 16:56:22 x3mboy: don't do that 16:56:23 x3mboy[m] oh, you are talking about the regular room, i thought you were talking about the "space" 16:56:30 x3mboy[m] but lets go to #fedora-i3 16:56:35 or somewhere to not takeover this meeting 16:56:38 x3mboy: we had to tombstone the workstation matrix room because of that 16:56:41 riecatnor: wow 16:56:43 so, approved right? 16:56:45 nb: agreed 16:56:46 Sorry for interrupting 16:57:16 as long as no one raises any -1's right now, we are ready to approve and I will contact the akademy folks later today 16:57:21 x3mboy[m], it happens! :) 16:57:24 +1 approve 16:57:34 nice 16:57:39 +1 16:57:42 <p​bokoc> riecatnor, 40k? How much are we paying per t-shirt? :)) 16:57:47 LOL 16:58:02 how much budget do we have, if we can spend that much on shirts lol 16:58:10 so, we are looking to set up a different way for folks to get fedora swag 16:58:37 which will include some different kinds of fees. Fees for taking in our existing swag, creating swag kits (for something like nest) 16:58:43 Carrier pandas. Send them out wearing Fedoras to deliver swag. 16:58:45 :D 16:59:09 other long lasting swag over tshirt (of course tshirts) but mugs, umbrellas, caps etc will last a long time :D 16:59:11 <p​bokoc> well it's not just t-shirts, I was just joking. It's all kind of stuff - but still, being from a post-communist country, 40k USD seems like a ton of money to me 16:59:14 I think it is fine to support the conference. To make an impact I would prefer to see more engagement, though. 16:59:23 https://hackmd.io/awPM9FP3RoqT9TVwMCMNoQ 16:59:43 tyll, great idea. I think we could use a badge & commblog post 17:00:13 Eighth_Doctor's plans for who should be there seem good, though I think promoting the event to Fedorans is a great idea 17:00:24 Absolutely! 17:00:32 We should go big on this :D 17:00:48 I can help with the badge! 17:00:51 riecatnor: I was also thinking about content that explains why Fedora is the best choice when someone would like to use KDE 17:00:51 pbokoc, if you check out the hackmd, you can see there are many different ideas including re-do's of current swag with the new logo 17:01:08 Maybe I can even design it, if it would help 17:01:24 tyll, seems like a cool idea. where do you envision that? 17:01:28 where/what format 17:01:37 riecatnor we have power banks? 17:02:08 nb a limited supply. end of year last year I put in a swag order with remaining budget 17:02:12 oh 17:02:27 riecatnor: https://fedoralovespython.org/ is a good example about how to do this - but since there is not so much time for something that big, the wiki might also be a good initial place 17:02:50 tyll, oh yea that would be really nice 17:02:53 wiki then docs (once is become a thing) 17:03:06 Is this something the KDE people might already have? 17:03:13 Currently https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/KDE only explains what KDE exists and that it is packaged but not sure what the benefits 17:03:17 mm 17:03:25 that's old 17:03:26 yeah, we need a better splash page 17:03:27 need to change 17:03:43 probably something like it is the latest and greatest in Fedora 17:03:50 there's a couple of folks working on the new Kinoite site, maybe I can talk to them about making a fedoraloveskde.org site? 17:04:10 Eighth_Doctor, is this something you can go to the fedora KDE folks to help improve? If only to add in a "benefits of using KDE" section to the wiki? 17:04:14 or that Fedora makes it easy to try it using a live image 17:04:17 I've been knocking around the idea from Eighth_Doctor of a Fedora DEs live stream, we could get that scheduled in with it! 17:04:40 riecatnor: sure, if someone could file an issue on the kde-sig issue tracker, that'd way we can prioritize it 17:04:48 https://pagure.io/fedora-kde/SIG/issues 17:04:49 FYI I will have to leave soon, have to go over to pick up food and get back before a meeting in 56 minutes 17:04:52 yep, also Workstation takes advantage of use the last vanilla gnome version, without modifications, the same can happen for kde, it's a great marketing have the latest version 17:04:56 Maybe a KDE centered stream 17:04:58 #link https://pagure.io/fedora-kde/SIG 17:05:40 Eighth_Doctor: I'll file an issue 17:05:47 :) 17:05:51 nb, ok! no prob. the only other thing I planned to cover today was the Mindshare F2F, I chose times based on the feedback I was given 17:05:55 tyll: awesome, thanks! 17:06:30 thank you tyll ! 17:06:35 (as an aside, someone needs to update workstation edition screenshots on getfp.o, they're still from F23!!!) 17:06:41 We also have a FPP(Fedora project podcast) episode about KDE spin and Kinoite ready to ship 17:07:12 So I would be happy to help with the media push either with streams, podcast, or both. I could do a live interview with Eighth_Doctor and Rex 17:07:14 Eighth_Doctor: I'll update pictures 17:07:23 awesome! 17:07:29 ok, I am commenting on #277 and I will contact Akademy 17:07:41 computerkid: that sounds like a great idea 17:07:48 riecatnor: 🎉 17:09:32 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/238 17:09:51 KDE issue: https://pagure.io/fedora-kde/SIG/issue/85 17:10:00 #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/269 17:10:44 ok so based on the feedback provided to the whenisgood, i have tentatively chose these dates/times: 17:11:26 Monday May 7th 11AM-1PM EDT (3PM-5PM UTC) 17:11:35 May 7th? 17:11:39 lol 17:11:40 2022? 17:11:41 JUNE 17:11:47 <p​bokoc> hehehe 17:11:50 cool 17:11:58 where is the 2022? lol 17:12:07 doing great with numbers rn 17:12:10 we passed may 7 th :) 17:12:18 5pm UTC is not too bad 17:12:21 works for me 17:12:31 +1 to me 17:12:37 ok the other is Monday June 14th 10am-12pm EDT (2PM-4PM UTC) 17:12:40 works for me 17:12:51 both work.. so +1 17:13:03 woo! ok, I will make calendar invites and send them out 17:13:12 riecatnor send mine to nb@usi.edu please 17:13:20 or if not, I can forward it, no big deal 17:13:57 so, we had talked about doing some work on repos, and some hang out time. How do we want to organize the 4 hours? 17:14:45 My thought is either break it out, hang time one session, repos the other session. Or we could do a half and half both days 17:14:53 preferences? 17:15:01 fun time in second half so that I don't miss important discussion (in case I am tired or sleepy) :P 17:15:17 right 17:15:20 they say that teams work better after they bond siddharthvipul :P 17:15:22 I can take 4h but "when" is the Q to me 17:15:56 I need something like 6pm UTC or weekend any time 17:16:17 do the times I mentioned above work? 17:16:25 riecatnor: yeah but after 10pm can sometimes be challenging :( I am usually up but focused on something important takes more energy 17:16:33 first yes 17:16:38 I totally get that siddharthvipul 17:17:03 others are "%50" because of IRL work* 17:17:17 but I'll manage it. 17:17:20 hopefully. 17:17:27 there were no times that *every* person was available. the times I chose I think only had one person unable to attend, that is the best we can hope for 17:17:38 yup +1 17:17:46 go for it. 17:18:15 any other thoughts on how we should organize the time? Otherwise I will take siddharthvipul request and figure something out for us :) 17:18:20 riecatnor: half/half regarding the activity split sounds most appealing to me and will allow everyone to attend all activities even if they can only do one of the days 17:18:35 tyll, cool, thanks for that feedback. I was leaning towards that as well 17:18:45 I agree with tyll :D 17:18:48 that's fine too 2h/2h 17:18:53 +1 too 17:18:54 so vipul can sleep as well 17:18:55 :) 17:19:20 I would hate to miss the fun hour.. but atleast I can choose to be less attentive if I am a bit sleepy :) 17:19:54 coollll, seems good! 17:19:58 #topic open floor 17:20:08 <p​bokoc> nonsense, we can't do a fun hour without Vipul! 17:20:11 anyone have topics they would like to bring? 17:20:15 :P 17:20:17 :P 17:20:22 @pbokoc :") 17:21:06 so I said 161 ~30 minutes agi 17:21:08 ago* 17:21:15 any guesses how many survey takers so far? 17:21:20 <p​bokoc> Jesus, I had something I wanted to bring up but I can't for the life of me remember what it was 17:21:25 I mean in last 30-40 minutes? 17:21:35 <p​bokoc> it's incredibly frustrating 17:21:38 did we hit 200? 17:21:51 riecatnor: very close.. 193 17:21:56 oh dang NICE 17:22:23 <p​bokoc> that's actually a good N-number! Well, potentially, anyway 17:22:30 pbokoc, you should feel free to drop topics in the channel as you think of it and we can discuss at our next meeting :) 17:23:53 <p​bokoc> OH! I remember: we have a CI system for docs now, thanks to @richardgreg :) It's, uh, wonky, but sometimes it works! 17:24:04 cool :D 17:24:17 what does that mean for the docs team? 17:24:45 riecatnor: that PRs built link in comment to see if the PR builds as expected :D 17:25:37 we need to fix a few things.. I have it on list but unfortunately too many things are there too 17:25:56 sounds rad! 17:26:00 I will work with Richard soon to have it properly set up (especially automated deployment) 17:26:11 <p​bokoc> it means that, when someone submits a PR to one of the docs repos, they get a preview of the changes they made integrated into the whole docs site 17:26:20 I would encourage someone on the team to write up a short comm blog post :) 17:26:25 doesn't have to be long 17:26:47 <p​bokoc> as opposed to getting only a preview of a single repo 17:27:20 <p​bokoc> which you had to run locally and plenty of people didn't do it anyway :D 17:27:41 seems more effective and like people will be more likely to do the checking 17:29:08 riecatnor: if we wait for a few minutes, we will hit 200 XD 17:29:43 also, I am excited for my long weekend 17:29:48 ok mindshare friends! I have a lovely grilled cheese sandwich waiting for me :) 17:30:06 enjoy and cya ! 17:30:08 siddharthvipul, oh me too :D I took friday off bc last weekend I spent helping someone move 17:30:09 thanks everody 17:30:11 riecatnor: so it seems that we might be able to make a splash site 17:30:21 <p​bokoc> riecatnor, no way, I was going to make one after the meeting ended :) 17:30:22 everybody** 17:30:23 Eighth_Doctor, cool!! 17:30:29 where do I ask for fedoraloveskde.org? 17:30:37 thats a good question 17:30:48 Eighth_Doctor: ask miro ? since he already got one ? 17:30:55 Eighth_Doctor: fedora infrastructure 17:30:57 Eighth_Doctor: for these I default to Infra ticket 17:31:05 or infra yeah 17:31:07 okay, I'll file an infra ticket for it 17:31:35 awesome :) 17:31:37 we made it to 200 y'all 🎉🎉 Good night :P 17:31:42 ngompa++ 17:31:42 riecatnor: Karma for ngompa changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 17:31:47 siddharthvipul++ 17:31:48 siddharthvipul++ 17:31:57 Eighth_Doctor++ 17:32:00 thanks, everyone! very productive meeting today :) 17:32:03 #endmeeting