13:00:28 <riecatnor[m]> #startmeeting Mindshare Committee 13:00:29 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Nov 9 13:00:28 2021 UTC. 13:00:29 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 13:00:29 <zodbot> The chair is riecatnor[m]. Information about MeetBot at https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Zodbot#Meeting_Functions. 13:00:29 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:00:29 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare_committee' 13:00:45 <riecatnor[m]> #meetingname Mindshare 13:00:45 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare' 13:00:51 <riecatnor[m]> #chair bt0dotninja codeblock tyll nb pbokoc riecatnor thunderbirdtr siddharthvipul relrod mizmo @OnuralpSezer[m] @PetrBokoc[m] 13:00:51 <zodbot> Current chairs: @OnuralpSezer[m] @PetrBokoc[m] bt0dotninja codeblock mizmo nb pbokoc relrod riecatnor riecatnor[m] siddharthvipul thunderbirdtr tyll 13:00:57 <riecatnor[m]> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/ 13:01:04 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Hello 13:01:07 <OnuralpSezer[m]> .hello thunderbirdtr 13:01:08 <zodbot> OnuralpSezer[m]: thunderbirdtr 'Onuralp SEZER' <thunderbirdtr@gmail.com> 13:01:12 <riecatnor[m]> .hello riecatnor 13:01:13 <zodbot> riecatnor[m]: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com> 13:01:14 <VipulSiddharth[m> .hello siddharthvipul1 13:01:15 <zodbot> VipulSiddharth[m: siddharthvipul1 'Vipul Siddharth' <siddharthvipul1@gmail.com> 13:01:28 <riecatnor[m]> hiii Onuralp Sezer & Vipul Siddharth ! 13:01:34 <VipulSiddharth[m> \o :D 13:01:39 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Helloooooooooooo Marie :) 13:01:49 <OnuralpSezer[m]> and welcome back Vipul ? 13:02:01 <VipulSiddharth[m> where was I? :P 13:02:08 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Hiiiii 13:02:14 <pbokoc> Hello 13:02:19 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I don't know you were misssing somewhere in our universe :) 13:02:28 <riecatnor[m]> hey Alberto Rodríguez Sánchez & pbokoc :) 13:02:34 <OnuralpSezer[m]> anyway hello again Vipul Siddharth :) 13:02:36 <riecatnor[m]> (pto?) 13:02:40 <VipulSiddharth[m> I just attend this early meeting ^-^ 13:02:48 <VipulSiddharth[m> yess, right! 13:02:54 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Already blushing :) 13:02:58 <VipulSiddharth[m> lol 13:02:58 <riecatnor[m]> lol 13:03:10 <riecatnor[m]> I just had breakfast pizza, it was great 13:03:15 <tyll> .hello till 13:03:16 <zodbot> tyll: till 'Till Maas' <opensource@till.name> 13:03:27 <riecatnor[m]> but, ordered a latte that was just, not good.. how do you mess up a latte? thats classi 13:03:29 <riecatnor[m]> classic* 13:03:46 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I made a cake and herb tea plus I'm sick and try to recover until party day 13:04:16 <tyll> get well, soon OnuralpSezer[m] 13:04:17 <riecatnor[m]> ohhh no :( sorry to hear you are sick 13:04:17 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Just a hot coffee here :) 13:04:23 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor[m]: I can make a better latte then that person over there :P 13:04:27 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Get well 13:04:32 <riecatnor[m]> #topic info and announcements 13:04:33 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Thank you everbody 13:04:38 <riecatnor[m]> I bet Onuralp Sezer lol 13:05:10 <riecatnor[m]> #info the Release Party for Fedora Linux 35 is this week! Don't forget to register and pass the link along to friends :) 13:05:12 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-35-release-party/registration 13:05:20 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Fedora_Linux_35_Release_Party_Schedule#Schedule 13:06:21 <riecatnor[m]> #info Elections are now open, seats on FESCo, Council, & Mindshare 13:06:25 <riecatnor[m]> #undo 13:06:25 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by riecatnor[m] at 13:06:21 : Elections are now open, seats on FESCo, Council, & Mindshare 13:06:38 <riecatnor[m]> #info nominations for elections are now open, seats on FESCo, Council, & Mindshare 13:06:49 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/f35-elections-nominations-now-open/ 13:07:30 <riecatnor[m]> #info to help promote engagement in the Mindshare Committee elections overall, we published a post to the community blog. Feel free to promote! 13:07:31 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/upcoming-mindshare-committee-election-what-to-know/ 13:08:04 <VipulSiddharth[m> great, other than tweets, can we do something else 13:08:21 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Me is promoting :p 13:08:32 <riecatnor[m]> ask folks who you think would be a good fit to run for the seat, or when elections happen, lets remind people to vote for Mindshare too 13:08:47 <riecatnor[m]> its on the same exact page as the FESCo & Council votes I believe 13:09:19 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Yes it is 13:09:25 <riecatnor[m]> Vipul Siddharth: you could share that with CPE somehow? Like, here is a quick article that helps bring a lot of understanding 13:09:27 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Marie can we ask for magazine people to link up commblog in front side of their page as well ? in order to promote more ? 13:09:32 <riecatnor[m]> (some informal chat or something?) 13:09:38 <VipulSiddharth[m> riecatnor: definitely 13:10:06 <riecatnor[m]> I am not sure about the Magazine, that is user-focused 13:10:35 <OnuralpSezer[m]> it is user and our contributor focused plus there are more people looking over there compare to comm blog 13:11:00 <riecatnor[m]> #info our Taiga instances are retiring on December 17th 13:11:00 <OnuralpSezer[m]> s/it is user and our contributor focused plus there are more people looking over there compare to comm blog/Yes it is our users and our contributors focused plus there are more people looking over there compare to comm blog / 13:11:00 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/retiring-taiga-instance-on-teams-fedoraproject-org/ 13:12:03 <riecatnor[m]> aiui, Magazine = users Commblog = contributors 13:12:21 <OnuralpSezer[m]> okay 13:12:36 <riecatnor[m]> I wonder if we have ever promoted elections on the magazine before? 13:12:55 <OnuralpSezer[m]> https://fedoramagazine.org/?s=election 13:13:01 <OnuralpSezer[m]> yes we did 13:13:25 <VipulSiddharth[m> since magazine is more focused on users and not community, we don't do that there nowadays from what I remember 13:13:56 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Vipul Siddharth: and since we have "commblog" they just left out election and move on I think 13:13:59 <riecatnor[m]> I see we haven't done something sine 2017 13:14:16 <VipulSiddharth[m> yes, we do those on commblog now 13:14:31 <riecatnor[m]> #topic tickets 13:14:44 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/302 13:15:07 <riecatnor[m]> the thursday meeting had a chance to look a this, we suggested a replacement question 13:15:18 <riecatnor[m]> if everyone here is fine with the change, we can give bcotton the ok 13:15:27 <OnuralpSezer[m]> +1 13:15:31 <AlbertoRodrguezS> +1 too 13:16:00 <VipulSiddharth[m> I am okay with the change.. brainstorm: can we ask how they would improve mindshare visibility? 13:16:09 <VipulSiddharth[m> just discussing with y'all, not suggesting yet 13:16:14 <tyll> +1 13:16:28 <riecatnor[m]> ohh, I like that question 13:16:33 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Yeah 13:16:52 <riecatnor[m]> I think that one could be in addition? 13:17:01 <OnuralpSezer[m]> yes It should be 13:17:14 <VipulSiddharth[m> I would like to see what interesting answers we get 13:17:45 <riecatnor[m]> "How would you improve Mindshare Committee visibility and awareness in the Fedora community?" 13:18:01 <VipulSiddharth[m> +1 13:18:13 <AlbertoRodrguezS> +1 13:19:54 <OnuralpSezer[m]> +1 13:20:02 <riecatnor[m]> cool, I commented 13:20:07 <tyll> 0 13:20:25 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/297 13:20:38 <riecatnor[m]> thank you Vipul Siddharth ! 13:20:51 <tyll> not sure if this is a good goal, it seems like an intermediate step since the idea for Mindshare would be to improve Fedora's visibility and awareness 13:20:56 <VipulSiddharth[m> This is done, we are waiting on communication on their part 13:20:56 <VipulSiddharth[m> I passed the link last week and had a call today as well 13:21:02 <VipulSiddharth[m> this will be going out today 13:21:14 <riecatnor[m]> Do you think Clement needs some assistance with promotion? 13:21:24 <riecatnor[m]> tyll: i apologize, I think I moved too quick 13:21:28 <VipulSiddharth[m> riecatnor: I don't think so 13:21:29 <VipulSiddharth[m> it's all in place 13:21:31 <riecatnor[m]> Is this for the questions? 13:21:45 <tyll> my comment was about the election questions 13:21:57 <VipulSiddharth[m> yes, should we move to the last topic? Till Maas has points on the question 13:22:20 <riecatnor[m]> right, tyll, can you explain a bit more? do you think we should reduce the questions? 13:22:49 <tyll> yes, usually there are not many candidates, so too many questions can be an additional barrier 13:23:33 <AlbertoRodrguezS> We are changing one, adding one 13:23:36 <tyll> and regarding the question about how toimprovie Mindshare visibility, I am not sure that is a good fit for candidates - it kind of seems like the candidate interview will be used as a single survey 13:24:23 <riecatnor[m]> I mean, we will only have a couple people answering them.. its something we are trying to do.. I am not sure I would count it as a survey 13:24:43 <riecatnor[m]> I do see the point about too many questions being a barrier 13:24:52 <riecatnor[m]> I am curious how many questions are used for Council & FESCo 13:24:54 <tyll> I mean the questions are more like you would ask as a survey not to identify good candidates 13:25:11 <riecatnor[m]> which questions? the ones we have used historically as well? 13:25:24 <tyll> The question about increasing visibility for Mindshare 13:25:45 <riecatnor[m]> FESCo has 4 questions 13:26:08 <riecatnor[m]> council also has 4 13:26:18 <tyll> For example, the open ended question about what Mindshare should do allows to understand more about the candidate - and they can mention that Mindshare needs to be promoted, more 13:27:15 <tyll> Council started with 3 when we made the questions mandatory IIRC 13:27:25 <tyll> So it is moving in the wrong direction IMHO 13:27:39 <tyll> uh, maybe it was 4 13:28:00 <AlbertoRodrguezS> I like it because makes the candidate needs to think outside the box but too many questions can be a bad idea 13:28:28 <riecatnor[m]> I think 4 is ok, I also like the new question, personally. And if we don't get anything good back, we can just remove it next time? 13:28:29 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Well we only have 4 too so it is not much either ? 13:28:34 <AlbertoRodrguezS> s/needs to// 13:29:29 <riecatnor[m]> please add your votes to the ticket, we should move to the next topic 13:29:45 <riecatnor[m]> votes and/or opinions :) 13:30:13 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Right, thanks for your comments tyll 13:30:14 <tyll> I guess if visibility is an important topic, it should have its own ticket in our system so we work on that 13:30:43 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/282 13:30:47 <tyll> Currently I see one ticket without updates which does not imply it being important 13:30:54 <riecatnor[m]> a proposal I made, but no time to progress that 13:31:21 <riecatnor[m]> I also just wrote the blog post for the election 13:32:19 <riecatnor[m]> I would like to move back to the CoreOS survey 13:32:32 <riecatnor[m]> Vipul Siddharth: you mentioned you think promotion is covered? 13:32:40 <tyll> ok, I will add my comments to the ticket or in my answer for the elecctions interview 13:32:47 <riecatnor[m]> thank you tyll! 13:33:06 <VipulSiddharth[m> riecatnor: yes 13:33:06 <VipulSiddharth[m> They will send emails/tweets today 13:33:20 <riecatnor[m]> how about a short blog post? 13:33:24 <riecatnor[m]> can be derived from the email 13:33:28 <riecatnor[m]> we can pin that on disussion 13:33:32 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Vipul is link active ? (I can't opened it ?) 13:33:39 <OnuralpSezer[m]> * Vipul, is 13:33:40 <VipulSiddharth[m> I can pass that on 13:33:40 <VipulSiddharth[m> let me see what they think 13:33:53 <riecatnor[m]> ok cool :) just trying to make sure all the bases get covered 13:34:04 <VipulSiddharth[m> OnuralpSezer[m]: no, Limesurvey is in update progress for now and I have suspended it 13:34:04 <VipulSiddharth[m> I am to ping Clement once it's ready to go 13:34:13 <OnuralpSezer[m]> thank you 13:34:40 <riecatnor[m]> oh also, I will note to promote that during the release party 13:37:02 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/301 13:37:17 <riecatnor[m]> the alternate meeting reviewed this, please take a look 13:37:27 <riecatnor[m]> if everyone is fine, I think we can close that? 13:37:44 <riecatnor[m]> or, I can ask Mizmo if she needs anything more 13:38:12 <VipulSiddharth[m> yeah, since it was not really asking if we should or not but asking for design inspirations, I didn't comment anything 13:38:12 <VipulSiddharth[m> I am fine with going ahead with it 13:38:37 <riecatnor[m]> I think its asking if they have prioritized things correctly 13:38:51 <riecatnor[m]> but, it seems fine to me. I added that we will need to do ambassador shirts pretty soon as well 13:39:11 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Awesome 13:39:20 <VipulSiddharth[m> oh, are we to get new ambassador tshirts? XD 13:39:32 <riecatnor[m]> I would like to make that happen, yes :D 13:39:36 <VipulSiddharth[m> I am yet to receive my nest swag :"( lol 13:39:43 <riecatnor[m]> so I learned something 13:39:58 <OnuralpSezer[m]> VipulSiddharth[m: YESSSSSSSSSA 13:39:59 <OnuralpSezer[m]> > <@siddharthvipul1:fedora.im> oh, are we to get new ambassador tshirts? XD 13:39:59 <OnuralpSezer[m]> * YESSSSSSSSS 13:40:01 <riecatnor[m]> all the Indian swag packs going to Red Hat are being batch shipped to a red hat office 13:40:04 <tyll> If new shirts are selected, it would be great to choose brands that allow more inclusive sizes like tall sizes 13:40:06 <VipulSiddharth[m> oh no, please don't worry about that 13:40:06 <VipulSiddharth[m> it was more of a statement than complain :) 13:40:12 <riecatnor[m]> and will go from there :) 13:40:15 <VipulSiddharth[m> nice 13:40:16 <riecatnor[m]> but that is why its taking longer 13:40:34 <riecatnor[m]> Till Maas: I gave this as a requirement, inclusive sizes 13:40:43 <riecatnor[m]> also I asked about eco-friendly options 13:40:54 <VipulSiddharth[m> tyll: do you have a brand in mind? 13:40:54 <VipulSiddharth[m> I know the ones that Cool Stuff Store uses are quite diverse 13:40:54 <tyll> riecatnor[m]++ 13:41:06 <riecatnor[m]> my guess is they will be a lot pricier, but I should have some info about tshirt pricing and options soon to share with Mindshare 13:41:21 <riecatnor[m]> I hope to get at least one design printed before end of year 13:41:59 <tyll> VipulSiddharth[m: I know that the old cool stuff store had one tall size shirt, that was nice and I some some offerings in German swag shops, not sure if there is something international 13:42:59 <riecatnor[m]> I will do my best to ensure that is an option we can have 13:43:42 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Thanks 🙏 13:44:07 <riecatnor[m]> ok, actually based on this convo, I am leaving that ticket open to add updates on the tshirt options 13:45:51 <riecatnor[m]> #topic open floor 13:46:05 <VipulSiddharth[m> sorry folks, I need to step out to get groceries for dinner (living a day at a time :P) 13:46:17 <AlbertoRodrguezS> :) 13:46:19 <riecatnor[m]> lol Vipul Siddharth I know the feeling 13:46:26 <riecatnor[m]> thanks for being here! 13:46:27 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Marie how is your new time zone ? :) 13:46:35 <OnuralpSezer[m]> should I submit lightning talk about timezones :) 13:46:43 <riecatnor[m]> lol, my cats are not agreeing that we changed times 13:46:47 <VipulSiddharth[m> ugh, not sure about marie but I am hating the timezone mess up.. everything is an hour late :( 13:46:58 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Yeah.... it is late 13:47:03 <riecatnor[m]> oh hmmm 13:47:11 <riecatnor[m]> I didn't take that into account 13:47:24 <riecatnor[m]> moving this an hour earlier would be 7am for me 😅 13:47:37 <OnuralpSezer[m]> oh now you can move into 8am :)) 13:47:45 <VipulSiddharth[m> oh no, this is fine 13:47:47 <OnuralpSezer[m]> and you can sleep extra :) 13:47:57 <VipulSiddharth[m> think something like council call 13:47:57 <VipulSiddharth[m> it's at midnight 13:48:01 <riecatnor[m]> yes, lol, "extra" 13:48:02 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Vipul Siddharth: come on be gentilmen :))) 13:48:09 <VipulSiddharth[m> then some work calls 13:48:11 <OnuralpSezer[m]> s/gentilmen/gentilman/ 13:48:19 <riecatnor[m]> #topic F35 release party 13:48:29 <riecatnor[m]> Onuralp Sezer: any news about among us? 13:48:52 <riecatnor[m]> oh no Vipul Siddharth 😖 so late 13:49:18 <tyll> I tried among us in my team, I can also share how to get it running on Fedora 13:49:43 <tyll> easiest option is using Android, though, which is also for free 13:49:52 <tyll> For Fedora one needs to buy it on steam 13:50:07 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor[m]: Generally, it is ready and I can push today too but I had one tiny "technical stuff" I had to take look and make sure It won't be make a problem and type that in to wiki and re-test then I'm ready to go 13:50:19 <OnuralpSezer[m]> tyll: I'll send you link too +1 13:50:31 <OnuralpSezer[m]> tyll: Yes :( on desktop/laptop steam is the way 13:50:42 <OnuralpSezer[m]> but it is not super expensive 13:50:46 <riecatnor[m]> do you have a link for us to review, Onuralp Sezer ? 13:51:34 <OnuralpSezer[m]> riecatnor[m]: It wasn't public but I can do send it today 13:51:40 <OnuralpSezer[m]> and make sure you all saw it 13:51:41 <AlbertoRodrguezS> 😁😁 13:52:10 <riecatnor[m]> Ok, would be good for a couple sets of eyes to review :) 13:52:15 <OnuralpSezer[m]> sure sure 13:52:26 <OnuralpSezer[m]> everybody wants to play 13:52:28 <OnuralpSezer[m]> good goood :) 13:52:30 <riecatnor[m]> any other things for the release party? 13:52:31 <OnuralpSezer[m]> more pepople :) 13:52:36 <OnuralpSezer[m]> * more people 13:53:00 <riecatnor[m]> can folks promote registration on their local networks? (i guess you already have, but since we are close, maybe once more?) 13:53:13 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Yes 13:53:25 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I did on both matrix and telegram end 13:53:25 <OnuralpSezer[m]> but sure I can re-do it again too 13:53:25 <OnuralpSezer[m]> as a reminder 13:53:26 <riecatnor[m]> https://hopin.com/events/fedora-linux-35-release-party/registration 13:53:30 <OnuralpSezer[m]> it is coming 13:53:57 <riecatnor[m]> I would love to see us surpass the F34 release party numbers :) 13:54:08 <riecatnor[m]> right now we are 384 registrations 13:54:19 <riecatnor[m]> (F34 for 496, iirc) 13:54:37 <VipulSiddharth[m> let me forward this in Fedora-India places 13:54:53 <riecatnor[m]> great idea, Vipul Siddharth thank you! 13:55:19 <OnuralpSezer[m]> oh let me do that too :)) since I sneak in in India side as welll :) 13:55:39 <riecatnor[m]> the same rate of growth from F33 to F34 would be more like 750 registrations, but I don;t think we will get there 13:55:39 <OnuralpSezer[m]> s/in// 13:55:51 <VipulSiddharth[m> are there any swag riecatnor ? 13:55:51 <VipulSiddharth[m> asking for the message 13:56:03 <OnuralpSezer[m]> AFAIk no ? 13:56:09 <riecatnor[m]> no swag this time 13:56:12 <VipulSiddharth[m> got it 13:56:13 <VipulSiddharth[m> makes sense 13:56:15 <riecatnor[m]> their is the pub quiz 13:56:22 <riecatnor[m]> beat the bomb, and among us 13:56:23 <OnuralpSezer[m]> oh no 13:56:24 <OnuralpSezer[m]> quiz :) 13:56:26 <riecatnor[m]> so, more fun socials 13:56:28 <OnuralpSezer[m]> It is all WRONG again 13:56:29 <OnuralpSezer[m]> :))) 13:56:55 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Marie I'll promise I'll not tell the answer I didn't see it :)) 13:57:07 <AlbertoRodrguezS> :p 13:57:25 <OnuralpSezer[m]> s/Marie I'll promise I'll not tell the answer I didn't see it :))/Marie I'll promise I'll not tell the answer If I saw it :)) / 13:58:07 <riecatnor[m]> lol 13:58:16 <riecatnor[m]> what if I told you Aoife and I were going to make a quiz with only wrong answres 13:58:19 <riecatnor[m]> answers* 13:58:34 <OnuralpSezer[m]> oh, then I don't care then :) 13:58:38 <OnuralpSezer[m]> I can say w/e I want :) 13:58:43 <AlbertoRodrguezS> Sounds funny 13:58:47 <riecatnor[m]> lol 13:58:59 <riecatnor[m]> I am working on it with her tomorrow, let's see what happens 13:59:05 <riecatnor[m]> but we did talk about doing that :P 13:59:13 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Oh, 13:59:37 <riecatnor[m]> so the chat will just be "RIGGED" for the entirety of the session 13:59:43 <OnuralpSezer[m]> Vipul I need your help on something for quiz you know what I mean :)) 14:00:04 <VipulSiddharth[m> haha, sure 14:00:04 <VipulSiddharth[m> everything has a price 14:00:07 <riecatnor[m]> lol, but we are out of time for today. Thanks for the discussion today 14:00:10 <OnuralpSezer[m]> You may want to take off Red hat :) 14:00:10 <riecatnor[m]> #endmeeting