20:00:46 <riecatnor[m]> #startmeeting Mindshare
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20:00:54 <riecatnor[m]> #meetingname Mindshare
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20:01:41 <riecatnor[m]> #chair Máirín Duffy bt0d0tninja pbokoc nb Onuralp Sezer Vipul Siddharth Madeline Peck davdunc
20:01:41 <zodbot> Current chairs: Duffy Madeline Máirín Onuralp Peck Sezer Siddharth Vipul bt0d0tninja davdunc nb pbokoc riecatnor[m]
20:01:49 <riecatnor[m]> #info About Mindshare: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare/
20:01:55 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Hello
20:02:06 <riecatnor[m]> .hello riecatnor
20:02:07 <zodbot> riecatnor[m]: riecatnor 'Marie Nordin' <mnordin@redhat.com>
20:02:33 <riecatnor[m]> hullo, Mindshare!
20:02:37 <riecatnor[m]> how's everyone doin today?
20:02:43 <MadelinePeck[m]> .hello Madeline Peck
20:02:44 <zodbot> MadelinePeck[m]: Sorry, but user 'Madeline Peck' does not exist
20:02:46 <davdunc> .hello2
20:02:47 <zodbot> davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' <davdunc@amazon.com>
20:02:57 <davdunc> :)
20:02:58 <MadelinePeck[m]> .hello
20:02:58 <zodbot> MadelinePeck[m]: (hello <an alias, 1 argument>) -- Alias for "hellomynameis $1".
20:03:10 <MadelinePeck[m]> im goood
20:03:14 <MadelinePeck[m]> how are yall
20:03:17 <riecatnor[m]> I think the .hello needs to be .hello "FAS ID"
20:03:27 <riecatnor[m]> .hello2 might grab your info from element?
20:03:28 <zodbot> riecatnor[m]: Sorry, but user 'riecatnor [m]' does not exist
20:03:29 <mizmo> o/
20:03:43 <MadelinePeck[m]> .hello2
20:03:44 <zodbot> MadelinePeck[m]: Sorry, but user 'MadelinePeck [m]' does not exist
20:03:53 <riecatnor[m]> ok, idk lol
20:03:53 <MadelinePeck[m]> ¯_(ツ)_/¯
20:04:06 <riecatnor[m]> hanging in there- ready for a long weekend :P
20:06:11 <riecatnor[m]> #topic announcements and info
20:06:37 <riecatnor[m]> #info Nest with Fedora registration is now open! share the link with Fedora Friends :)
20:06:39 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://hopin.com/events/nest-with-fedora-2022/registration
20:06:50 <davdunc> riecatnor[m]: I am going on vacation starting Sunday. I'll be in the mountains in Oaxaca for 8 days.
20:07:09 <riecatnor[m]> oh wow
20:07:10 <riecatnor[m]> thats awesome
20:07:17 <MadelinePeck[m]> woah!!
20:07:35 <riecatnor[m]> #info Nest with Fedora CfP is STILL open, until July 8th! Spread the word & share in your channels - and submit your session asap :D
20:08:06 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/nest-2022-cfp/
20:08:07 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/flock/issues
20:08:48 <davdunc> /me has to get my submission in!
20:09:03 <riecatnor[m]> #info our current FCAIC riecatnor is passing the flag- we are looking for a new FCAIC! Share the link in your networks and send to anyone you think would be a great fit
20:09:11 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fedora-job-opening-community-action-and-impact-coordinator-fcaic/
20:09:18 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://us-redhat.icims.com/jobs/91919/fedora-community-action-and-impact-coordinator/job?mobile=false&width=1140&height=500&bga=true&needsRedirect=false&jan1offset=-300&jun1offset=-240
20:10:04 <riecatnor[m]> #info Fedora Hatches are happening still across the world- check out the article on the CommBlog to learn more and see if there is one near you :)
20:10:09 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/hatch-with-fedora/
20:11:19 <riecatnor[m]> #info Fedora is sponsoring GUADEC and there is an opportunity to have a booth but we need table staff- if you'll be at GUADEC make sure to comment on the discussion thread
20:11:23 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/anyone-going-to-guadec-and-wants-to-staff-a-fedora-table/40256
20:12:09 <riecatnor[m]> #info there are some updates happening to Fedora Badges design by Outreachy intern Nikita Tripathi- feedback welcomed on the discussion thread
20:12:11 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://discussion.fedoraproject.org/t/updates-to-fedora-badges/40158
20:13:08 <riecatnor[m]> #info get to know this sessions Fedora Outreachy interns by reading the article on the CommBlog
20:13:11 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/outreachy-interns-introduction-may-2022/
20:14:14 <riecatnor[m]> ok.. anymore announcements or info to share today?
20:14:47 <riecatnor[m]> <davdunc> "/me has to get my submission in!..." <- please do :D i know you have ideas for sessions
20:15:04 * davdunc i have mindshare specific submissions this time too.
20:16:00 * davdunc so definitely looking forward to it!
20:16:03 <riecatnor[m]> #info Fedora 36 was featured on Linux Saloon
20:16:11 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=769-0f75Xag&ab_channel=LinuxSaloon
20:16:22 <davdunc> 👍
20:16:29 <riecatnor[m]> i was going to bring up a mindshare talk for nest today :)
20:16:59 * davdunc maybe something we could do together?
20:17:09 <riecatnor[m]> if no one has anything else lets get into that :)
20:17:15 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Mindshare at Nest with Fedora 2022
20:17:24 <riecatnor[m]> what is your idea davdunc
20:17:43 <davdunc> I wanted to have a talk on collected talking points
20:18:10 <riecatnor[m]> can you give a little more info on what kind of talking points
20:18:14 <davdunc> so an opportunity to look at what we want people to hear about the program and why we think it's important.
20:18:49 <riecatnor[m]> cool- so I think in 2020 we did a forum type session. It went okay, some people came with questions
20:18:59 <riecatnor[m]> for 2021 we did a "what is mindshare?" type session
20:19:05 <riecatnor[m]> I think that was more successful
20:19:48 <riecatnor[m]> https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1j57DKGdnxwBMlpovsgeRj5Tor4PmSfSmlQNCt3LFyR8/edit?usp=sharing
20:19:48 <davdunc> a "what is mindshare" is a great talk. . . can certainly do that!
20:20:07 <riecatnor[m]> this is the slide deck for 2021's preso
20:20:09 <davdunc> could just take that work and update it so that it's more current.
20:20:12 <riecatnor[m]> can ya'll access that?
20:20:21 <davdunc> yes.
20:21:37 <riecatnor[m]> I think we could do that one again, a 50 min session so we have time to take questions?
20:22:00 <davdunc> I like that.
20:22:10 <davdunc> happy to commit time to preparing and speaking
20:23:26 <riecatnor[m]> i just made a copy and shared it with the same people: https://docs.google.com/presentation/d/1324q4SYX_SdCNUCTOpvkWzqQBpUd7cHrk1NFH0pGwPk/edit?usp=sharing
20:24:42 <riecatnor[m]> davdunc: do you want to open the cfp ticket for that?
20:24:52 <davdunc> i can do that today, yes.
20:25:12 <riecatnor[m]> i edited the titles for the slide decks to note 2021 and 2022
20:25:29 <riecatnor[m]> if folks want to edit the deck, make sure to do it on the 2022 version ;)
20:25:50 <riecatnor[m]> we can use our meetings before nest to make sure it is up to date
20:26:10 <davdunc> awesome. I like it.
20:26:32 <riecatnor[m]> thank you davdunc for taking on the ticket
20:27:00 <riecatnor[m]> any other Nest ideas or comments?
20:27:47 <MadelinePeck[m]> I do want to submit a proposal for a wallpaper discussion, not sure if I should keep it simple to just wallpaper or make it broader with fedora design topics too
20:29:53 <riecatnor[m]> up to you :) but folks are def interested in both those topics
20:30:19 <riecatnor[m]> if you go with the idea of broad design topics- you might find some other design team members who would be up to do it with you
20:30:29 <MadelinePeck[m]> mmm
20:30:46 <MadelinePeck[m]> I’ll definitely decide and submit by the 8th :))
20:30:55 <riecatnor[m]> ik you mentioned you'll need to pre-record for nest- so it might make sense to have some other design team members who would be present to take questions
20:31:15 <MadelinePeck[m]> Ahhh yes true
20:31:25 <riecatnor[m]> :)
20:31:48 <riecatnor[m]> any other thoughts about Nest?
20:32:05 <riecatnor[m]> also- if you know of someone doing cool fedora stuff- make sure to encourage them to submit a talk!
20:33:24 <riecatnor[m]> ok let's press on!
20:33:34 <riecatnor[m]> #topic Mindshare Quarterly Report for May-June
20:33:42 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/333
20:33:53 <riecatnor[m]> #link https://hackmd.io/dJ_71kmFRR-DX5YjQnLGpg?edit
20:34:23 <riecatnor[m]> for our newcomers Madeline Peck & davdunc - we are trying to stay on top of quarterly reports these days :)
20:34:36 <riecatnor[m]> and bc of everyones busy schedule, we take some meeting time to add things
20:35:13 <davdunc> thanks riecatnor[m] do we have people you would like us to reach out to specifically?
20:35:13 <riecatnor[m]> I would ask reps/members of mindshare to add in stuff to the hackmd for their respective areas
20:35:42 <riecatnor[m]> davdunc: for nest?
20:35:59 <davdunc> for the Quarterly Report.
20:36:10 <davdunc> maybe I misunderstood.
20:36:15 <riecatnor[m]> usually I will go around and ask the teams that don'
20:36:20 * davdunc got it.
20:36:24 <riecatnor[m]> * that don't have reps if they have any additions
20:36:30 <davdunc> that time anyway. :)
20:36:35 <riecatnor[m]> but, we can talk about what we've done on mindshare
20:36:45 <riecatnor[m]> and adding new team members is definitely a good thing to add :D
20:37:14 <riecatnor[m]> so really, we can add stuff to any part that we are aware of.. its a bullet style report, doesn't need to be anything fancy
20:37:24 <riecatnor[m]> adding links is helpful for me when I go to put it into wordpress
20:37:28 <davdunc> got it.
20:37:37 <riecatnor[m]> here is an example of our last report: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/mindshare-committee-quarterly-report-q1-2022/
20:38:01 <riecatnor[m]> I think we will want to add Marketing here, they have been active
20:38:20 <riecatnor[m]> Isabella Gordillo: could you add some updates for the marketing area?
20:38:41 <IsabellaGordillo> Yes
20:38:58 <riecatnor[m]> cool, thank you :) I added a section for Marketing
20:39:16 <IsabellaGordillo> Perfect, so I just add what we have been working on correct?
20:39:40 <riecatnor[m]> yep, in bullet form.. make sure to add links for any discussions, or if there is a regular meeting going
20:39:56 <IsabellaGordillo> ok
20:39:57 <IsabellaGordillo> thank you
20:40:06 <riecatnor[m]> riecatnor[m]: the example report is good to review to get an idea of what it should be like
20:40:42 <IsabellaGordillo> thank you
20:41:28 <riecatnor[m]> of course :)
20:41:49 <riecatnor[m]> anyone is welcome to add things to the "help wanted" section
20:42:00 <riecatnor[m]> for example, we could add that we are looking for folks to help with fedora week of diversity
20:43:03 <riecatnor[m]> ok, so please add to that- it would be great if we could wrap it up next week to publish the second week of July
20:43:34 <riecatnor[m]> we will revisit at our meeting next week too :)
20:43:42 <riecatnor[m]> #topic fedora budget
20:44:03 <riecatnor[m]> there have been some requests to get some visibility on the budget for this year
20:44:34 <riecatnor[m]> Isabella Gordillo worked on putting together a visual budget report for us 👏👏👏
20:44:49 * riecatnor[m] uploaded an image: (219KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/fedora.im/c66a2244ddfdff9f40459511f984c73aa7b3d998/Budget%20Report-%20FY%2022.png >
20:44:57 <davdunc> 😄
20:45:18 <riecatnor[m]> so the projected column is charges we are aware of
20:45:43 <riecatnor[m]> so for example under Mindshare I have projected that we will fund GUADEC, Akademy, etc
20:46:09 <riecatnor[m]> under internships- that projected 26k is for four Outreachy interns in the winter session
20:46:28 <riecatnor[m]> Services- thats things like weblate, element, discussion/ask
20:47:39 <riecatnor[m]> so the projected remaining is the most important figure on this- that is what we are looking at for the rest of this year for things that have yet to be accounted for
20:47:59 <riecatnor[m]> * so the "remaining projected" is the most important figure on this- that is what we are looking at for the rest of this year for things that have yet to be accounted for
20:48:56 <riecatnor[m]> I am ready to take any questions/comments about the budget :)
20:49:24 <mizmo> are the internships all outreachy?
20:49:57 <riecatnor[m]> yes. though we won't necessarily get 4 projects
20:50:03 <riecatnor[m]> if we only get 3 it would be less
20:50:12 <mizmo> ah ok
20:50:17 <mizmo> and what is the council budget on?
20:50:18 <riecatnor[m]> Red Hat's Center for Diversity covered the summer session actually
20:50:25 <MadelinePeck[m]> ahh
20:50:31 <mizmo> im guessing mindshare is swag
20:50:51 <riecatnor[m]> council is anything the council makes a decision to purchase
20:51:00 <riecatnor[m]> in this instance, its been mostly pinephones for ARM development
20:51:12 <riecatnor[m]> Mindshare is swag, conference sponsorships
20:51:32 <riecatnor[m]> the tee shirt giveaway costs are under mindshare too
20:51:56 <riecatnor[m]> any release party costs
20:51:56 <mizmo> then what is services?
20:52:03 <riecatnor[m]> that is weblate, discussion/ask, element
20:52:16 <mizmo> oh oh ok
20:52:24 <mizmo> sorry youd said that earlier i didnt put two and two together
20:52:33 <riecatnor[m]> no worries :)
20:52:49 <davdunc> I am surprised that the Ambassadors spend is so low.
20:53:09 <riecatnor[m]> its because we haven't had many in person events yet
20:53:21 <riecatnor[m]> tho, I think we have a few in the queue currently
20:53:21 <davdunc> ah.
20:53:38 <mizmo> it kinda depends how you count it too tho right
20:53:46 <mizmo> like in the past ambassadors prolly would have included swag which is now under mindshare
20:53:50 <davdunc> that's what I was thinking mizmo
20:53:56 <riecatnor[m]> for sure
20:54:05 <mizmo> and some events like hatch, are under flock & friends
20:54:07 <riecatnor[m]> would it make sense to have a swag category?
20:54:32 <riecatnor[m]> I don't want to break it down into too many categories, but that one might help visualize things better
20:54:38 <mizmo> i think itd be helpful to know what we are spending on swag, and break that down into giveaway swag vs more permanent items (like the tablecloths and banners)
20:54:44 <davdunc> it seems like swag should land under the respective budgets overall.
20:55:16 <riecatnor[m]> i kinda think the permanent items might fit best under Ambassadors actually- bc they will be using them the most
20:55:24 <mizmo> yeh that makes sense actually
20:55:35 <mizmo> the giveaway swag i am guessing from year to year we have a lot more flex on
20:56:01 <mizmo> whereas stuff like element, its more of a solid spend
20:56:10 <riecatnor[m]> I would agree
20:56:40 <davdunc> yea. It's still an ambassador action to provide swag as I see it.
20:56:47 <riecatnor[m]> there is a small amount of swag related stuff under Nest column too- wrt to kitting the swag packs
20:57:08 <riecatnor[m]> that is something that is directly related to Nest and not physical swag, tho it has to do with it.. i tied it to Nest costs
20:57:20 <davdunc> that makes snese, but it's a conference cost and could even have a chargeback to the ambassadors for the stuff
20:58:15 <riecatnor[m]> ok, so I need to make a swag category, and rework the ambassadors/mindshare costs
20:58:35 <riecatnor[m]> any other thoughts? (we are getting close to end of time, and I want to make sure I get peeps thoughts so we can update!)
21:00:09 <riecatnor[m]> a note- I've added virtual release party costs to Mindshare- but maybe that needs to be broken out as well?
21:00:30 <mizmo> yeh tbh might make sense to do an events category
21:00:38 <riecatnor[m]> the ambassadors are not involved in virtual release parties
21:00:45 <riecatnor[m]> so i didn't feel it fit there
21:00:57 <riecatnor[m]> * involved in organizing/running virtual release
21:01:12 <riecatnor[m]> i have the flock/nest/hatch category- should it include release parties?
21:01:13 <davdunc> events seems better than just naming all of the events as a category for sure.
21:01:31 <davdunc> I think release parties could go there.
21:01:33 <riecatnor[m]> then you have a crossover with DEI- they do the fedora week of diversity event
21:01:41 <mizmo> fedora events as opposed to any non fedora specific event
21:01:58 <mizmo> week of diversity still seems like it should be under a dei cateogry
21:02:41 <riecatnor[m]> so to clarify- we want to do all fedora events that aren't fedora week of diversity or organized by ambassadors in one category?
21:02:51 <riecatnor[m]> or are we talking 1. hatch/flock/nest 2. other events
21:02:53 <mizmo> yeh that makes sense
21:03:17 <mizmo> i think the calendar-based fedora hosted events is one category, the ambassors is a different one, and week of diversity is in DEI
21:03:44 <mizmo> because, I think we should be spending for DEI no matter what, maybe it's an event, maybe for whatever reason its something different another year but there should a sustained committment on the basis of DEI (and event is an implementation detail)
21:03:58 <davdunc> yea ambassadors covers other events as I understand it.
21:04:14 <davdunc> +1 mizmo
21:04:26 <riecatnor[m]> ok, I think I am good to make some updates with Isa
21:04:35 <riecatnor[m]> thanks ya'll for going over a few mins
21:05:07 <riecatnor[m]> hope you have a nice day/weekend/long weekend/trip to Oaxaca :D
21:05:10 <davdunc> happy to be here riecatnor[m]
21:05:18 * davdunc thanks riecatnor[m] !
21:05:46 <davdunc> will be my first vacation over 2 days in 5 years now.
21:05:49 <MadelinePeck[m]> enjoy the weekend everyone!!! thank you riecatnor
21:05:49 <riecatnor[m]> #endmeeting