21:03:23 <jwf> #startmeeting Fedora Mindshare Committee meeting - 2022-12-01
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21:03:35 <jwf> #meetingname mindshare
21:04:09 <jwf> #meetingname mindshare
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21:04:12 <jwf> #info About the Mindshare Committee: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/mindshare-committee/
21:04:14 <jwf> .members mindshare
21:04:15 <zodbot> jwf: Members of mindshare: jflory7, nb, bt0dotninja, duffy, thunderbirdtr, pbokoc, davdunc, smeragoel, madelinepeck
21:04:22 <jwf> #topic Meeting structure & agenda
21:04:33 <jwf> #info === 1. Hellos & welcome (~5 minutes) ===
21:04:37 <jwf> #info === 2. Committee announcements & team read-outs (~5-10 minutes) ===
21:04:40 <jwf> #info === 3. Ticket-driven review & discussion (remaining time) ===
21:04:41 <jwf> #info === 4. Open floor (final 5 minutes) ===
21:04:47 <jwf> #topic Hellos & welcome
21:04:52 <jwf> #chair Máirín Duffy
21:04:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: Duffy Máirín jwf
21:06:03 <jwf> Welcome to December 🙂
21:07:08 * jwf is wondering if there is quorum
21:07:31 <jwf> We had two tickets queued up, but neither is urgent.
21:09:20 <davdunc[m> .hi davdunc
21:09:20 <zodbot> davdunc[m: Error: Missing "]".  You may want to quote your arguments with double quotes in order to prevent extra brackets from being evaluated as nested commands.
21:09:30 <davdunc[m> ugh!
21:09:34 <davdunc[m> .hello davdunc
21:09:35 <zodbot> davdunc[m: davdunc 'David Duncan' <davdunc@amazon.com>
21:10:08 <davdunc[m> did I make it in time?
21:10:21 <jwf> Hey hey davdunc!
21:10:28 <jwf> Yes, sorry, I was distracted for a moment.
21:10:32 <jwf> #chair davdunc
21:10:32 <zodbot> Current chairs: Duffy Máirín davdunc jwf
21:11:10 <jwf> I don't see Máirín Duffy here yet but she was in #mindshare:fedoraproject.org, so she might pop in at some point. The tickets queued for today were fairly low stakes…
21:11:15 <jwf> How are you doing davdunc?
21:11:32 <jwf> Ready for December? :)
21:11:32 <davdunc[m> doing great.
21:11:46 <davdunc[m> just swamped with all of the regular end of year stuff! :)
21:12:07 <jwf> Hahah yep… I know what you mean
21:12:25 <davdunc[m> I am sure you do. HOpe you are doing well, too!
21:12:41 <davdunc[m> makes me happy to just see you so active in Fedora again!
21:13:01 <jwf> I am doing well! Much better than last week. The U.S. Thanksgiving was mostly spent helping family move and getting over a (non-COVID) cold.
21:13:23 <davdunc[m> ah. Moving day is always a big drain!
21:13:33 <jwf> It is exciting for me too – although sometimes I wonder when I'll get more time to do the true community work :) In time, I think I'll find a rhythm.
21:13:44 <jwf> Which might be a good transition into today's topics
21:13:52 <davdunc[m> indeed!
21:13:55 <jwf> davdunc[m: Yes. But everything went smooth, so all I could ask for :D
21:14:04 <jwf> #topic Committee announcements & team read-outs
21:14:19 <jwf> First – any distro-wide or community announcements to note?
21:14:28 <jwf> Or anything interesting around the Fedora and Linux worlds.
21:15:19 <jwf> On my end, I think it is just the Fedora elections and event planning in Q1 2023
21:16:32 <jwf> #info The FESCo and Mindshare elections have now closed nominations and will proceed with the election. There was no nomination for the open Council seat, and so nominations were extended by one week.
21:16:38 <davdunc[m> well, that's exciting!
21:17:21 <jwf> #info JWF is working on a GitLab-based process for requesting Fedora travel funding and support to attend events and conferences. Think of it as a cross between the Mindshare Pagure repo and the fedora-budget Pagure repo. More to come hopefully by the end of this week.
21:17:40 <jwf> davdunc: Anything interesting to note from your end?
21:18:03 <jwf> davdunc[m: The Council election?
21:18:06 <davdunc[m> nothing this week Justin W. Flory (he/him)
21:18:20 <jwf> I imagine things will start slowing down :)
21:18:21 <jwf> Oh!
21:18:29 <jwf> Also, we are doing a Fedora Badges year-end social in two weeks
21:18:57 <davdunc[m> :) oh nice! I have been hoping there was going to be something around badges before EOY.
21:19:26 <jwf> #info There will be a year-end social for the Fedora Badges community to come together, get to know each other better, and look at an early timeline for 2023 as we work on building a plan around reviving Fedora Badges. 2022 December 15th at 16:00 UTC.
21:19:54 <jwf> The invite is open to anyone who loves Badges, whether they want to do coding/design work or just be an enthusiastic supporter of the efforts :)
21:20:07 <jwf> This call is meant to be low-stakes and really just a chance to connect with others
21:20:25 <jwf> OK. Now I'm done :)
21:21:02 <jwf> If nothing else, let's go to the tickets for today.
21:21:10 <jwf> #topic Ticket review
21:21:19 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issues?priority=10
21:21:27 <jwf> I spy three tickets.
21:21:41 <jwf> Let's start with the time-sensitive one
21:21:56 <jwf> #topic Ticket #373: Fedora 37 Release Party - Novi Sad, Serbia
21:22:02 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/373
21:22:12 <jwf> So, this one came in last week.
21:22:46 <davdunc[m> very well organized, I'd say!
21:22:59 <jwf> The event is in ten days and they are requesting swag (yikes!), so it might be tight to get them what they need. But I also think we can approve the budget for what they have asked for.
21:23:42 <jwf> davdunc[m: Yes. Our Serbian community has been very active and engaged over the years!
21:23:49 <davdunc[m> +1 from me. I'll add that to the ticket!
21:23:50 <jwf> So it is nice to see things picking up again after a pause
21:24:08 <jwf> Yeah. Let's take a pause and record votes in the ticket so this request can move forward.
21:24:15 <jwf> I am also +1
21:26:01 <mizmo> +1 from me
21:26:24 <jwf> Cool. I think this is an easy approval :)
21:26:31 <mizmo> i cant write in ticket im on mobile (its after hours for me)
21:26:32 <davdunc[m> agreed!
21:26:45 <davdunc[m> understood Máirín Duffy
21:26:53 <jwf> Máirín Duffy: No problem -- I can leave a comment noting your agreement here.
21:27:24 <jwf> #agreed jflory7, mizmo, and davdunc give +1 votes for the event to proceed as planned with the $100 USD requested budget
21:27:33 <jwf> Thanks both!
21:27:49 <jwf> #action jwf Submit a swag order ASAP for Serbian release party
21:28:07 <jwf> We have a new system for doing this, different from what I used even a month ago. Hope I can get it figured out all smoothly!
21:28:18 <jwf> OK, well, I think we can jump to the next ticket.
21:28:42 <jwf> #topic Ticket #372: Election interview questions - Mindshare (F37)
21:28:49 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/372
21:29:03 <jwf> So, we missed the deadline to update for this cycle…
21:29:21 <jwf> But I think it is still worthwhile to get the question updated now based on feedback. So it would take effect in the next election.
21:29:30 <jwf> The proposal as I read it is to replace an old question with a new one:
21:29:32 <jwf> BEFORE: What would you like to contribute to the Mindshare committee during your term?
21:29:40 <jwf> AFTER: During your Mindshare term, which part of Fedora do you think needs the most attention?
21:29:57 <jwf> So, I think this is all we are voting on or if there is any discussion about the change.
21:30:38 <jwf> #info It is too late to update the questions for the current release cycle, but we can still submit our feedback to the election wrangler to update for the next round. There is a proposal in the ticket to replace an old question with a new one:
21:30:44 <jwf> #info BEFORE: What would you like to contribute to the Mindshare committee during your term?
21:30:49 <jwf> #info AFTER: During your Mindshare term, which part of Fedora do you think needs the most attention?
21:31:03 <davdunc[m> I would like to switch to the AFTER question.
21:31:16 <mizmo> i would frame it, what needs the most attention from mindshare
21:31:36 <jwf> mizmo: I think that is a useful qualifier
21:31:37 <jwf> So:
21:31:48 <jwf> AFTER: During your Mindshare term, which part of Fedora do you think needs the most attention from the Mindshare Committee?
21:32:20 <mizmo> What part of Fedora do you think needs the most attention from the Mindshare committee during your term?
21:32:24 <mizmo> might be less awk
21:32:50 <jwf> This works for me :) I would give it a +1
21:33:04 <davdunc[m> Yes. Máirín Duffy that's a valuable distinction
21:33:07 <mizmo> +1 from me
21:33:45 <jwf> Cool. So I think it is squared away then.
21:34:19 <jwf> #agreed jflory7, mizmo, & davdunc record +1 votes for an updated phrasing of the new question: "What part of Fedora do you think needs the most attention from the Mindshare Committee during your term?"
21:34:28 <davdunc[m> +1
21:34:46 <jwf> #action jwf Update ticket and coordinate with election wrangler on the updated question for next election round.
21:35:36 <jwf> We're moving and grooving along. One last ticket today, which is more an update and open ask for help.
21:35:44 <jwf> #topic Ticket #361: Fedora Linux 37 Release Party Coordination Ticket
21:35:50 <jwf> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/361
21:36:23 <jwf> The main motive for this ticket was to put it up for discussion about how folks who attended thought, what went well, what didn't, etc?
21:36:40 <jwf> There is also pending work to create YouTube thumbnails, which is blocking the video editing piece.
21:37:33 <jwf> jwf: That was assigned to me with a template provided by Marie, but I haven't had a chance to run through them yet. But I was going to leave it open if anyone wanted to support with some Inkscape work. But otherwise, I'll get around to that
21:37:49 <jwf> jwf: But I'm curious for this, on any takeaways or thoughts from last month.
21:38:37 <davdunc[m> It was a great experience for me.
21:38:45 <davdunc[m> both as a speaker and a participant
21:39:46 <jwf> Awesome. Which is totally a kudos to the great work that Marie has done in putting those events together. She is a total pro.
21:39:55 <jwf> Is there anything you think could have been better for next time?
21:40:27 <jwf> My top item is "don't combine in-person events with virtual events in the same week" but that is more a personal learning 😅
21:42:53 <jwf> We could also do this as ticket-driven discussion instead of real-time in a meeting. This ticket was not scoped very well for an engaging meeting discussion :)
21:43:46 <jwf> I think it is OK to move to open floor because there are not many actionable to-dos here other than share your thoughts and feedback on the event. Plus, I did have one topic to flag for open floor that is without a ticket.
21:43:50 <jwf> Any objections to shift to open floor?
21:44:44 <davdunc[m> I understand. The in-person +virtual is definitely complicated, but maybe we could have a way to really convey the momentum to the rest of the people who can't attend.
21:45:23 <mizmo> where are the video editing tickets
21:45:36 <mizmo> i have a new design team member who is handy w kdenlive who can do edits
21:45:41 <mizmo> if needed
21:45:46 <jwf> davdunc[m: Oh, to clarify that, I was at All Things Open in Raleigh and my travel home coincided with the release party. I think an event can have both in-person and virtual parts, but yeah, both are important!
21:46:11 <jwf> mizmo: Oh! I think that would be a huge help. Are they also savvy enough with Inkscape to use the thumbnail templates?
21:46:16 <mizmo> we have automated thumbnail generation tools uaing inkscape
21:46:21 <jwf> mizmo: Should these be in the Design Team GitLab?
21:46:44 <jwf> mizmo: That would be amazing
21:47:00 <mizmo> https://blog.linuxgrrl.com/2022/07/19/how-to-automate-graphics-production-with-inkscape/
21:47:08 <davdunc[m> I am going to have to shift focus, but I really want to dig in here. This is really amazing.
21:47:20 <mizmo> yeh we have a gitlab repo for video / media designs
21:48:03 <mizmo> one of our new members has been working on amazing animated titles in natron. another is doing kdenlive. they put together some edits for the last fedora womens day event
21:48:49 <mizmo> i basically just need any preexisting tickets and access to assets - if theres a template for thumbs, and the vid files. And I can point our video folk at it and see if they have cycles.
21:49:20 <mizmo> Jess my intern put together the talk title cards using inkscpae automation and could probably do similar for the thumbs if she has cycles i can talk to her
21:49:29 <jwf> mizmo: This is where I was working from, but I could move it elsewhere: https://gitlab.com/fedora/council/community-architecture/-/issues/5
21:49:38 <mizmo> for the fwd vids we arent sure how to hand off to get on the channel
21:50:19 <jwf> mizmo: For now, I can be a relay with #marketing:fedoraproject.org.
21:50:37 <jwf> Máirín Duffy: Where is the best place for me to take my ticket?
21:51:20 <mizmo> https://gitlab.com/fedora/design/team/media/video
21:51:27 <jwf> Awesome
21:51:42 <jwf> I will move my ticket or open a new one after this meeting
21:51:43 <mizmo> can you move it? i think you might be able to bc both are gitlab.
21:51:54 <mizmo> ok cool ill get in touch w our vid designers
21:52:05 <jwf> I'd like to try moving it. Not sure if I need access to Design sub-group. Let me see if I can try it now.
21:52:55 <jwf> Looks like I'd need access to the Design sub-group on GitLab.
21:53:05 <jwf> I can move it to others but can't find that repo
21:53:10 <jwf> It's OK, I'll open a new one
21:53:17 <mizmo> i can give u now thru gitlab but i think fas overrides it
21:53:23 <mizmo> oh ok just do that way then
21:53:34 <jwf> Yeah, had that problem with the Marketing Team too. I was stuck on that for a bit 😆
21:54:06 <jwf> OK then. Thanks for flagging this Máirín Duffy! I have so much on my plate right now, so it would be great to get some help with these release party videos.
21:54:39 <mizmo> I think aketchpris and vic would love to help
21:54:43 <jwf> #info Máirín Duffy shared the Media/Video Titles repo that the Design Team uses. There may be capacity from Fedora Design for helping with video editing and creating thumbnails for the release party.
21:55:02 <jwf> #action jwf Move/copy CommArch GitLab ticket to Design GitLab tracker
21:55:15 <jwf> duffy++
21:55:15 <zodbot> jwf: Karma for duffy changed to 1 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
21:55:39 <jwf> Ooh, first cookie this release :)
21:55:46 <jwf> Alrighty! So, we are nearly at time here.
21:55:50 <mizmo> nomnom
21:55:55 <jwf> #topic Open floor
21:56:10 <jwf> I had one thing I wanted to highlight about hackfests -- but I think it can wait for next time.
21:56:13 <mizmo> sorry ive not been making these btw. i dont have childcare after 4 pm et so its difficult
21:56:42 <jwf> mizmo: Not a problem. I appreciate you being here! 🙏 I think we can also look at new times for these meetings in the new year as well
21:56:54 <davdunc[m> I'll just say that I have really enjoyed serving on the mindshare board and I look forward to continuing to participate in a positive way after the new folks come on board.
21:57:23 <mizmo> am i still on it moving fwd? /me is not sure
21:58:07 <jwf> davdunc: I'm sure there are several places you could be in Fedora, but I appreciate you choosing to spend your time here with us in 2022 :)
21:58:20 <davdunc[m> I was serving Till's seat?
21:58:39 <jwf> mizmo: Your seat is the Web & Design seat, right? Oh wow, I should refresh on all the seats we have on Mindshare 😆
21:59:02 <jwf> As far as I know, davdunc and bt0 were the only ones departing from Mindshare in 2023
21:59:03 <mizmo> i think i was in the design seat but i think madeline ran and got a seat too? so i am confuzzled
21:59:34 <jwf> I'll take a look at this during my post-meeting follow-ups in the tickets. It would be good for me to be clear too :)
21:59:35 <mizmo> it's all good
21:59:54 <jwf> But this does bring us right to time.
22:00:02 <jwf> This one ran right up to the end. Thanks folx for being here!
22:00:12 <davdunc[m> I was serving out Till's term.
22:00:34 <jwf> And I hope you all begin to settle into a good year-end.
22:00:39 <jwf> Ciao, see y'all next time!
22:00:40 <jwf> #endmeeting