17:38:09 <nb> #startmeeting mindshare committee 17:38:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 26 17:38:09 2018 UTC. 17:38:09 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 17:38:09 <zodbot> The chair is nb. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 17:38:09 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 17:38:09 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare_committee' 17:38:13 <nb> #meetingname mindshare commitee 17:38:13 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare_commitee' 17:38:16 <nb> #meetingname mindshare committee 17:38:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'mindshare_committee' 17:38:21 <nb> #chair bexelbie 17:38:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie nb 17:38:30 <bexelbie> .hello bex 17:38:30 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com> 17:38:31 <langdon> .hello2 17:38:33 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com> 17:39:25 <bexelbie> cal updated 17:39:27 <nb> #chair sumantro 17:39:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie nb sumantro 17:39:59 * jsmith is now here too... 17:39:59 <nb> #chair jsmith 17:39:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith nb sumantro 17:40:01 * sumantro is here 17:40:27 <nb> ok 17:40:29 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/39 17:40:31 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/39 17:40:40 <nb> Selecting a new representative from the mindshare commitee to the council 17:40:44 <nb> jwf, ping are you around? 17:41:02 <bexelbie> jwf was replaced by sumantro on this committee, iirc 17:41:26 <nb> sumantro was elected, iirc 17:41:38 <bexelbie> yes, from commops 17:41:39 <bexelbie> iirc 17:42:22 <bexelbie> n/m 17:42:25 <bexelbie> you're right nb 17:42:26 <bexelbie> elected 17:42:37 <bexelbie> there is no commops replacement yet 17:42:40 <bexelbie> jwf, yo 17:42:47 <bexelbie> @jwf 17:43:54 <bexelbie> we have 4 people present, 3 missing, and 1 (robyduck) who isn't expected for a while 17:43:59 <bexelbie> I think we can make this decision 17:44:36 <jsmith> Agreed. 17:44:44 * bexelbie is worried we lost nb 17:44:55 <bexelbie> I'd like us to vote to accept sumantro as our new council representative 17:46:15 <bexelbie> Are there any objections to this? 17:46:48 <nb> sorry, i was distracted 17:46:50 <nb> +1 17:46:54 <bexelbie> jsmith, ? 17:46:59 <bexelbie> I am +1 17:47:27 <nb> #agreed accept sumantro as our new council representative 17:47:28 <jsmith> +1 17:47:39 <bexelbie> Since we can change our council rep at will (despite it being strongly encouraged that we not do so as a revolving door) I think we are agreed here 17:47:45 <bexelbie> ty nb for #agreed'ing that 17:47:50 <bexelbie> I'll update the ticket 17:47:57 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/40 17:48:03 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/40 17:48:09 * nb is requesting funding for LISA18 17:48:23 <nb> mattdm is attending, and I believe he is funding his expenses from other budget 17:48:39 <nb> and nothing is being asked of us for the booth sponsorship (as in the past, Red Hat is giving us space) 17:49:03 * nb has went the past 2 years and got his employer to pay, but that isn't possible this year since i've went to the mindshare fad, flock, and SELF as work trips 17:49:09 <nb> I will take vacation and go this year 17:50:00 <bexelbie> I am in favor of this ticket .... +1 17:50:05 <jsmith> Count me as +1 17:50:06 <bexelbie> the hotel cost is regretable, but expected 17:50:08 <sumantro> me too 17:50:11 <bexelbie> we have a presence at Lisa 17:50:14 <sumantro> +1 17:50:17 <bexelbie> and yes, mattdm will be there but we aren't funding him 17:50:23 <bexelbie> #agree we are funding ticket #40 17:50:44 <bexelbie> I am going to leave the ticket open waiting on the event report 17:50:51 <bexelbie> so we don't forget it 17:50:56 * bexelbie will change the meta data 17:51:11 <nb> bexelbie, #agreed 17:51:54 <nb> #agreed we are funding ticket #40 17:51:57 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/37 17:52:17 <nb> Travel Funding Request for g0v Summit 2018, Taiwan 17:53:42 <sumantro> Its an important summit and the one who requested is a long term contributor to security and previously presented at multiple conferences. I am +1 on this. 17:53:45 <bexelbie> +1 17:53:55 <nb> +1 17:54:36 <nb> jsmith, ? 17:54:44 <bexelbie> I am +1 mainly because I want to see us having movement in APAC ambassadors again - I think this is an important issue and I'd like to see a closer tie to FEdora - but I am satisfied that we have appropriate messages aroudn things like the security spin to warrant this 17:55:57 <bexelbie> s/spin/lab 17:56:05 <nb> #agreed fund ticket #37 17:56:42 * bexelbie will do similar work with it 17:56:49 <nb> #topic stickers https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/41 17:57:03 * nb doesn't know that this requires a vote, bexelbie can just send stickers, i think 17:58:07 <bexelbie> I want to talk a bit about to make sure we are all "cool" 17:58:11 <nb> oh ok 17:58:18 <bexelbie> I think we should be willing to ship a small number of stickers like 30-50 for speakers 17:58:20 <bexelbie> wdyt? 17:58:34 <bexelbie> I think we should treat these like a special case and any single member of our committee can approve them 17:58:48 <bexelbie> I asked Jakub to file the ticket to encourage this conversation 17:58:49 <nb> I definitely agree 17:59:02 <bexelbie> sumantro, ? 17:59:05 <bexelbie> jsmith, ? 17:59:12 * sumantro agrees too 17:59:32 <bexelbie> we need to write this down :) 17:59:55 <bexelbie> I also think we should ask these folks for an event report 18:00:08 <bexelbie> but the report could just be an article form of part of their talk on any reaonsably read platform 18:00:13 <bexelbie> magazine, commblog, opensource.com, etc. 18:00:49 <bexelbie> wdyt? 18:00:53 <jsmith> WORKSFORME 18:01:24 <jsmith> Special case, any single member can approve up to 50 stickers... 18:01:25 <bexelbie> cool since Jakub and I happen to be in the same city - I am going to physically hand him 30 stickers 18:01:33 <jsmith> bexelbie: Even better :-) 18:01:47 <bexelbie> :) 18:02:38 <sumantro> :) 18:02:45 <sumantro> worksforme too 18:02:53 <bexelbie> i don't think I had any more pressing issues for tonight in my ticket list 18:02:58 <nb> #agreed any member of mindshare committee can approve up to 50 stickers 18:03:00 <nb> #topic 18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> we need to write this down :) 18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> I also think we should ask these folks for an event report 18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> but the report could just be an article form of part of their talk on any reaonsably read platform 18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> magazine, commblog, opensource.com, etc. 18:03:02 <nb> <bexelbie> wdyt? 18:03:04 <nb> <jsmith> WORKSFORME 18:03:06 <nb> <jsmith> Special case, any single member can approve up to 50 stickers... 18:03:08 <nb> <bexelbie> cool since Jakub and I happen to be in the same city - I am going to physically hand him 30 stickers 18:03:11 <nb> <jsmith> bexelbie: Even better :-) 18:03:15 <nb> <bexelbie> :) 18:03:17 <nb> <sumantro> :) 18:03:19 <nb> <sumantro> worksforme too 18:03:21 <nb> OH SHIT 18:03:25 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/31 18:03:30 <nb> direction of ambassadors program 18:03:37 <nb> So, we need some communication 18:03:44 <nb> I don't know the solution, but we need to do something 18:03:53 <nb> 1) direct people to mindshare for funding requests 18:04:03 <nb> 2) tell people that YES WE CAN still do events 18:04:35 <nb> I don't know the perfect solution, but I fear we are loosing some of our long-time ambassadors due to the lack of communication 18:04:53 <bexelbie> let's tell them to file tickets here 18:05:06 <nb> I was reading some of the discussion in the Ohio Linuxfest ticket in ambassadors-na/tasks 18:05:07 <bexelbie> I suggest we zero out the budgets (mostly fixing negatives) in the region 18:05:20 <nb> and andrew and ben seem to think we can't do events anymore 18:05:22 <bexelbie> and point to the successes we have tonight and in previous funding tickets and say "do it here" and we are coolio 18:05:27 <nb> even though i've had discussions with both of them about it 18:05:35 <nb> true 18:05:37 <bexelbie> I posted to that ticket trying to clarify that we can 18:05:42 <nb> yeah 18:05:52 <bexelbie> andrew and ben seem to not want to hear the message that mindshare is approving events 18:06:03 <nb> bexelbie, can you post to ambassadors@lists and post something clarifying that we DO still wnat events and send requests to mindshare? 18:06:14 * nb could do it, but might be better if it came from the FCAIC 18:06:27 * bexelbie is happy to do that 18:06:31 <nb> #proposal zero out regional budgets 18:06:31 * sumantro agrees with nb 18:06:54 <bexelbie> do you all want me to mention that we are going to fix the negatives in those budgets and that we have processes in place for speakers, small events, rps and meetings for larger events? 18:07:03 * bexelbie can take a stab and this and send it for editing 18:07:06 <bexelbie> or I can just email it 18:07:06 <nb> sure 18:07:08 <bexelbie> which do you prefer? 18:07:54 <jsmith> bexelbie: I wouldn't mind reading it first 18:07:55 <nb> bexelbie, maybe email it to us, with a short deadline like "I will send this out in 24 hrs if no one objects" 18:08:02 <bexelbie> sounds good 18:08:03 <jsmith> nb: +1 to that proposal :-) 18:08:11 <bexelbie> there is a public holiday here on Friday and I have to be on a train that day 18:08:12 <sumantro> nb +1 18:08:16 <bexelbie> I will try to do it tomorrow 18:08:19 <bexelbie> if not, I will do it on Monday 18:08:29 * bexelbie is sorry for the bad holiday timing but I have family obligations this weekend 18:08:37 <nb> The emeritus/advocates stuff 18:08:44 <nb> I noticed the advocates documentation was on the website 18:08:46 <nb> that is good. 18:08:55 <jsmith> :-) 18:08:56 <nb> when do we want to send out the "are you still active" email 18:08:58 <bexelbie> emeritus needs some work from someone to do a draft 18:09:04 <bexelbie> I feel like the event stuff I have a good handle on 18:09:11 <bexelbie> nb can you take point on drafting the emeritus stuff? 18:09:22 <bexelbie> especially since as FAmA you're heavily committed :) ? 18:09:24 <nb> Yeah, I can do that 18:09:33 <nb> what did we want to do? email everyone every 6mo? or 1yr? 18:09:50 <nb> and just ask "are you active"? or did we want them to tell us something they did in the last yr or whatever 18:10:17 <nb> I kind of prefer just to say are you active, then I don't have to evaluate what they did to decide if it qualifies 18:10:41 <bexelbie> 1 year, imho. Ask are you still active (y/n). Then ask can you tell what you did so we can make sure we can report it for budget justifications and so we can praise you (optional) 18:10:47 <bexelbie> if they say yes, they are active 18:10:48 <bexelbie> imhjo 18:10:53 <bexelbie> if they say no -- emeritus 18:10:54 <bexelbie> imho 18:11:14 <nb> +1 18:11:17 <sumantro> 1yr should be fine.. 18:11:21 <sumantro> +1 18:11:25 <nb> and if they don't respond in X timeframe, then emeritus 18:11:39 <langdon> i would propose in the email that they write a blog post or a tweet or something to highlight that they did stuff.. as a reminder.. and if they include it in the reply, mindshare can amplify 18:11:39 <sumantro> needless to say nb 18:11:54 <nb> yeah 18:12:11 <bexelbie> +1 langdon 18:12:36 * sumantro nods +1 langdon 18:13:07 * langdon goes to tweet out that he sometimes says smart stuff and ask mindshare to amplify ;) 18:13:30 <bexelbie> *crickets* 18:13:31 <bexelbie> heh 18:13:34 <langdon> lol 18:13:34 <bexelbie> j/k 18:13:35 <nb> ok 18:13:58 * bexelbie was literally thinking he should tweet, "I just had one of those moments where I remembered, 'dude - I live in EUROPE'" 18:14:00 <nb> idea: Ask people to tell us what they did or write a blog post/tweet, etc, but is not mandatory. All that is mandatory is "yes I am active" 18:14:08 <bexelbie> +1 18:14:13 <nb> I think that sums up our discussion 18:15:56 <bexelbie> I agree 18:16:03 * bexelbie has so many action items now :) 18:16:07 <sumantro> me too! 18:16:38 <nb> #action nb to write draft of ambassadors emeriti plan 18:16:42 <nb> I must leave now 18:16:48 <bexelbie> thank you for chairing nb! 18:16:54 * bexelbie is personally very appreciative 18:16:56 <nb> any other topics (and someone who wants to chair?)? or should I endmeeting? 18:17:03 <sumantro> nb++ 18:17:04 <zodbot> sumantro: Karma for nb changed to 14 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 18:17:58 <bexelbie> +1 to #endmeting 18:17:59 <bexelbie> nb++ 18:18:00 <nb> I don't think I #agreed about the budget 18:18:12 <bexelbie> it'll be in the email 18:18:14 <nb> #agreed zero out regional budgets, bex to email ambassadors list with new budget items to go to mindshare 18:18:17 <nb> #endmeeting