17:38:09 <nb> #startmeeting mindshare committee
17:38:09 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Sep 26 17:38:09 2018 UTC.
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17:38:13 <nb> #meetingname mindshare commitee
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17:38:16 <nb> #meetingname mindshare committee
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17:38:21 <nb> #chair bexelbie
17:38:21 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie nb
17:38:30 <bexelbie> .hello bex
17:38:30 <zodbot> bexelbie: bex 'Brian (bex) Exelbierd' <bexelbie@redhat.com>
17:38:31 <langdon> .hello2
17:38:33 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com>
17:39:25 <bexelbie> cal updated
17:39:27 <nb> #chair sumantro
17:39:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie nb sumantro
17:39:59 * jsmith is now here too...
17:39:59 <nb> #chair jsmith
17:39:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: bexelbie jsmith nb sumantro
17:40:01 * sumantro is here
17:40:27 <nb> ok
17:40:29 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/39
17:40:31 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/39
17:40:40 <nb> Selecting a new representative from the mindshare commitee to the council
17:40:44 <nb> jwf, ping are you around?
17:41:02 <bexelbie> jwf was replaced by sumantro on this committee, iirc
17:41:26 <nb> sumantro was elected, iirc
17:41:38 <bexelbie> yes, from commops
17:41:39 <bexelbie> iirc
17:42:22 <bexelbie> n/m
17:42:25 <bexelbie> you're right nb
17:42:26 <bexelbie> elected
17:42:37 <bexelbie> there is no commops replacement yet
17:42:40 <bexelbie> jwf, yo
17:42:47 <bexelbie> @jwf
17:43:54 <bexelbie> we have 4 people present, 3 missing, and 1 (robyduck) who isn't expected for a while
17:43:59 <bexelbie> I think we can make this decision
17:44:36 <jsmith> Agreed.
17:44:44 * bexelbie is worried we lost nb
17:44:55 <bexelbie> I'd like us to vote to accept sumantro as our new council representative
17:46:15 <bexelbie> Are there any objections to this?
17:46:48 <nb> sorry, i was distracted
17:46:50 <nb> +1
17:46:54 <bexelbie> jsmith, ?
17:46:59 <bexelbie> I am +1
17:47:27 <nb> #agreed accept sumantro as our new council representative
17:47:28 <jsmith> +1
17:47:39 <bexelbie> Since we can change our council rep at will (despite it being strongly encouraged that we not do so as a revolving door) I think we are agreed here
17:47:45 <bexelbie> ty nb for #agreed'ing that
17:47:50 <bexelbie> I'll update the ticket
17:47:57 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/40
17:48:03 <nb> #link https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/40
17:48:09 * nb is requesting funding for LISA18
17:48:23 <nb> mattdm is attending, and I believe he is funding his expenses from other budget
17:48:39 <nb> and nothing is being asked of us for the booth sponsorship (as in the past, Red Hat is giving us space)
17:49:03 * nb has went the past 2 years and got his employer to pay, but that isn't possible this year since i've went to the mindshare fad, flock, and SELF as work trips
17:49:09 <nb> I will take vacation and go this  year
17:50:00 <bexelbie> I am in favor of this ticket .... +1
17:50:05 <jsmith> Count me as +1
17:50:06 <bexelbie> the hotel cost is regretable, but expected
17:50:08 <sumantro> me too
17:50:11 <bexelbie> we have a presence at Lisa
17:50:14 <sumantro> +1
17:50:17 <bexelbie> and yes, mattdm will be there but we aren't funding him
17:50:23 <bexelbie> #agree we are funding ticket #40
17:50:44 <bexelbie> I am going to leave the ticket open waiting on the event report
17:50:51 <bexelbie> so we don't forget it
17:50:56 * bexelbie will change the meta data
17:51:11 <nb> bexelbie, #agreed
17:51:54 <nb> #agreed we are funding ticket #40
17:51:57 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/37
17:52:17 <nb> Travel Funding Request for g0v Summit 2018, Taiwan
17:53:42 <sumantro> Its an important summit and the one who requested is a long term contributor to security and previously presented at multiple conferences. I am +1 on this.
17:53:45 <bexelbie> +1
17:53:55 <nb> +1
17:54:36 <nb> jsmith, ?
17:54:44 <bexelbie> I am +1 mainly because I want to see us having movement in APAC ambassadors again - I think this is an important issue and I'd like to see a closer tie to FEdora - but I am satisfied that we have appropriate messages aroudn things like the security spin to warrant this
17:55:57 <bexelbie> s/spin/lab
17:56:05 <nb> #agreed fund ticket #37
17:56:42 * bexelbie will do similar work with it
17:56:49 <nb> #topic stickers https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/41
17:57:03 * nb doesn't know that this requires a vote, bexelbie can just send stickers, i think
17:58:07 <bexelbie> I want to talk a bit about to make sure we are all "cool"
17:58:11 <nb> oh ok
17:58:18 <bexelbie> I think we should be willing to ship a small number of stickers like 30-50 for speakers
17:58:20 <bexelbie> wdyt?
17:58:34 <bexelbie> I think we should treat these like a special case and any single member of our committee can approve them
17:58:48 <bexelbie> I asked Jakub to file the ticket to encourage this conversation
17:58:49 <nb> I definitely agree
17:59:02 <bexelbie> sumantro, ?
17:59:05 <bexelbie> jsmith, ?
17:59:12 * sumantro agrees too
17:59:32 <bexelbie> we need to write this down :)
17:59:55 <bexelbie> I also think we should ask these folks for an event report
18:00:08 <bexelbie> but the report could just be an article form of part of their talk on any reaonsably read platform
18:00:13 <bexelbie> magazine, commblog, opensource.com, etc.
18:00:49 <bexelbie> wdyt?
18:00:53 <jsmith> WORKSFORME
18:01:24 <jsmith> Special case, any single member can approve up to 50 stickers...
18:01:25 <bexelbie> cool since Jakub and I happen to be in the same city - I am going to physically hand him 30 stickers
18:01:33 <jsmith> bexelbie: Even better :-)
18:01:47 <bexelbie> :)
18:02:38 <sumantro> :)
18:02:45 <sumantro> worksforme too
18:02:53 <bexelbie> i don't think I had any more pressing issues for tonight in my ticket list
18:02:58 <nb> #agreed any member of mindshare committee can approve up to 50 stickers
18:03:00 <nb> #topic
18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> we need to write this down :)
18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> I also think we should ask these folks for an event report
18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> but the report could just be an article form of part of their talk on any reaonsably read platform
18:03:00 <nb> <bexelbie> magazine, commblog, opensource.com, etc.
18:03:02 <nb> <bexelbie> wdyt?
18:03:04 <nb> <jsmith> WORKSFORME
18:03:06 <nb> <jsmith> Special case, any single member can approve up to 50 stickers...
18:03:08 <nb> <bexelbie> cool since Jakub and I happen to be in the same city - I am going to physically hand him 30 stickers
18:03:11 <nb> <jsmith> bexelbie: Even better :-)
18:03:15 <nb> <bexelbie> :)
18:03:17 <nb> <sumantro> :)
18:03:19 <nb> <sumantro> worksforme too
18:03:21 <nb> OH SHIT
18:03:25 <nb> #topic https://pagure.io/mindshare/issue/31
18:03:30 <nb> direction of ambassadors program
18:03:37 <nb> So, we need some communication
18:03:44 <nb> I don't know the solution, but we need to do something
18:03:53 <nb> 1) direct people to mindshare for funding requests
18:04:03 <nb> 2) tell people that YES WE CAN still do events
18:04:35 <nb> I don't know the perfect solution, but I fear we are loosing some of our long-time ambassadors due to the lack of communication
18:04:53 <bexelbie> let's tell them to file tickets here
18:05:06 <nb> I was reading some of the discussion in the Ohio Linuxfest ticket in ambassadors-na/tasks
18:05:07 <bexelbie> I suggest we zero out the budgets (mostly fixing negatives) in the region
18:05:20 <nb> and andrew and ben seem to think we can't do events anymore
18:05:22 <bexelbie> and point to the successes we have tonight and in previous funding tickets and say "do it here" and we are coolio
18:05:27 <nb> even though i've had discussions with both of them about it
18:05:35 <nb> true
18:05:37 <bexelbie> I posted to that ticket trying to clarify that we can
18:05:42 <nb> yeah
18:05:52 <bexelbie> andrew and ben seem to not want to hear the message that mindshare is approving events
18:06:03 <nb> bexelbie, can you post to ambassadors@lists and post something clarifying that we DO still wnat events and send requests to mindshare?
18:06:14 * nb could do it, but might be better if it came from the FCAIC
18:06:27 * bexelbie is happy to do that
18:06:31 <nb> #proposal zero out regional budgets
18:06:31 * sumantro agrees with nb
18:06:54 <bexelbie> do you all want me to mention that we are going to fix the negatives in those budgets and that we have processes in place for speakers, small events, rps and meetings for larger events?
18:07:03 * bexelbie can take a stab and this and send it for editing
18:07:06 <bexelbie> or I can just email it
18:07:06 <nb> sure
18:07:08 <bexelbie> which do you prefer?
18:07:54 <jsmith> bexelbie: I wouldn't mind reading it first
18:07:55 <nb> bexelbie, maybe email it to us, with a short deadline like "I will send this out in 24 hrs if no one objects"
18:08:02 <bexelbie> sounds good
18:08:03 <jsmith> nb: +1 to that proposal :-)
18:08:11 <bexelbie> there is a public holiday here on Friday and I have to be on a train that day
18:08:12 <sumantro> nb +1
18:08:16 <bexelbie> I will try to do it tomorrow
18:08:19 <bexelbie> if not, I will do it on Monday
18:08:29 * bexelbie is sorry for the bad holiday timing but I have family obligations this weekend
18:08:37 <nb> The emeritus/advocates stuff
18:08:44 <nb> I noticed the advocates documentation was on the website
18:08:46 <nb> that is good.
18:08:55 <jsmith> :-)
18:08:56 <nb> when do we want to send out the "are you still active" email
18:08:58 <bexelbie> emeritus needs some work from someone to do a draft
18:09:04 <bexelbie> I feel like the event stuff I have a good handle on
18:09:11 <bexelbie> nb can you take point on drafting the emeritus stuff?
18:09:22 <bexelbie> especially since as FAmA you're heavily committed :) ?
18:09:24 <nb> Yeah, I can do that
18:09:33 <nb> what did we want to do? email everyone every 6mo? or 1yr?
18:09:50 <nb> and just ask "are you active"? or did we want them to tell us something they did in the last yr or whatever
18:10:17 <nb> I kind of prefer just to say are you active, then I don't have to evaluate what they did to decide if it qualifies
18:10:41 <bexelbie> 1 year, imho.  Ask are you still active (y/n).  Then ask can you tell what you did so we can make sure we can report it for budget justifications and so we can praise you (optional)
18:10:47 <bexelbie> if they say yes, they are active
18:10:48 <bexelbie> imhjo
18:10:53 <bexelbie> if they say no -- emeritus
18:10:54 <bexelbie> imho
18:11:14 <nb> +1
18:11:17 <sumantro> 1yr should be fine..
18:11:21 <sumantro> +1
18:11:25 <nb> and if  they don't respond in X timeframe, then emeritus
18:11:39 <langdon> i would propose in the email that they write a blog post or a tweet or something to highlight that they did stuff.. as a reminder.. and if they include it in the reply, mindshare can amplify
18:11:39 <sumantro> needless to say nb
18:11:54 <nb> yeah
18:12:11 <bexelbie> +1 langdon
18:12:36 * sumantro nods +1 langdon
18:13:07 * langdon goes to tweet out that he sometimes says smart stuff and ask mindshare to amplify ;)
18:13:30 <bexelbie> *crickets*
18:13:31 <bexelbie> heh
18:13:34 <langdon> lol
18:13:34 <bexelbie> j/k
18:13:35 <nb> ok
18:13:58 * bexelbie was literally thinking he should tweet, "I just had one of those moments where I remembered, 'dude - I live in EUROPE'"
18:14:00 <nb> idea: Ask people to tell us what they did or write a blog post/tweet, etc, but is not mandatory.  All that is mandatory is "yes I am active"
18:14:08 <bexelbie> +1
18:14:13 <nb> I think that sums up our discussion
18:15:56 <bexelbie> I agree
18:16:03 * bexelbie has so many action items now :)
18:16:07 <sumantro> me too!
18:16:38 <nb> #action nb to write draft of ambassadors emeriti plan
18:16:42 <nb> I must leave now
18:16:48 <bexelbie> thank you for chairing nb!
18:16:54 * bexelbie is personally very appreciative
18:16:56 <nb> any other topics (and someone who wants to chair?)? or should I endmeeting?
18:17:03 <sumantro> nb++
18:17:04 <zodbot> sumantro: Karma for nb changed to 14 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
18:17:58 <bexelbie> +1 to #endmeting
18:17:59 <bexelbie> nb++
18:18:00 <nb> I don't think I #agreed about the budget
18:18:12 <bexelbie> it'll be in the email
18:18:14 <nb> #agreed zero out regional budgets, bex to email ambassadors list with new budget items to go to mindshare
18:18:17 <nb> #endmeeting