15:00:27 <asamalik> #startmeeting Minimization Team Meeting 15:00:27 <zodbot> Meeting started Wed Aug 21 15:00:27 2019 UTC. 15:00:27 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:27 <zodbot> The chair is asamalik. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:27 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'minimization_team_meeting' 15:00:27 <asamalik> #meetingname minimization 15:00:27 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'minimization' 15:00:27 <asamalik> #chair asamalik pbrobinson zbyszek feborges Son_Goku lorbus salimma tdawson ignatenkobrain jaruga 15:00:27 <zodbot> Current chairs: Son_Goku asamalik feborges ignatenkobrain jaruga lorbus pbrobinson salimma tdawson zbyszek 15:00:27 <asamalik> #topic Roll call 15:01:20 <lorbus> .hello2 15:01:21 <zodbot> lorbus: lorbus 'Christian Glombek' <cglombek@redhat.com> 15:03:00 <asamalik> hi lorbus! 15:03:19 <ignatenkobrain> .hello2 15:03:21 <zodbot> ignatenkobrain: ignatenkobrain 'Igor Gnatenko' <i.gnatenko.brain@gmail.com> 15:03:23 * asamalik will give people a minute 15:03:26 <asamalik> hey ignatenkobrain! 15:03:30 <ignatenkobrain> Unfortunately I won't be able to attend full meeting 15:04:17 <lorbus> o/ yep let's use the first half our we have to our best :) 15:04:38 <lorbus> *half an hour 15:05:09 <asamalik> it's looks like it's just the three of us today :) 15:05:17 <asamalik> yeah, I'm for making it short 15:05:32 <asamalik> #topic === Admin === 15:05:39 <asamalik> Anything to discuss about organisational stuff? 15:06:21 * asamalik doesn't have anything here today 15:06:32 * lorbus neither 15:07:16 <asamalik> all right! 15:07:19 <asamalik> #topic === Focus === 15:07:24 <asamalik> What are we working on that is worth mentioning? 15:08:13 <lorbus> Lot's of discussion going on on the mailing list, which is good :) 15:08:58 <asamalik> I'm improving the 'showme' tool to show other outputs than just the graph, like a package list or a page similar to this: https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/container-randomness/report-f30.html 15:09:09 <asamalik> and I want to generate it periodically for things we focus on 15:10:19 <asamalik> lorbus: yeah :) 15:10:53 <lorbus> that's really great! 15:11:00 <asamalik> I also want to look into what and why requires systemd and how to get rid of it — which will be useful for containers 15:12:14 <lorbus> uh yeah be nice if we can untangle that 15:13:59 <lorbus> there is https://github.com/containerbuildsystem/atomic-reactor/pull/1246 15:15:28 <asamalik> lorbus: what exactly am I looking at here? 15:15:50 <lorbus> I'm not sure it's all implemented yet, but this'll be a nice step towards building containers with Buildah 15:16:03 * asamalik is not very familiar with atomic-reactor 15:16:36 <lorbus> sorry, may have been a bit far fetched. Atomic-reactor is our container build system that is plugged into koji 15:17:15 <asamalik> oh! now I get it 15:17:43 <lorbus> if we can rip out systemd, that'll give us an advantage then for building purpose-built containers 15:17:53 <lorbus> but not in other cases 15:18:33 <asamalik> yeah, that would be just for containers 15:18:51 <lorbus> reducing the package set of the regular Fedora compose would be needed for that 15:19:26 <lorbus> I love the chart for this :) 15:20:05 <asamalik> anything specific that you think should be on that chart? :) 15:20:05 <lorbus> this one I mean: https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/container-randomness/report-f30.html 15:21:05 <lorbus> I wonder if we could scrape the info of not just containers, but all fedora releases 15:21:12 <asamalik> oh, also, I might need to build it using fresher data than the containers from the registry 15:21:42 <asamalik> so my thinking for input there would be that you give it a set of packages, and monitor that 15:21:51 <lorbus> package set being the info. Would be interesting comparing Server, Desktop, Silverblue, FCOS and IoT here too 15:22:08 <asamalik> so I could use the package set that's uset to build the container base, workstation, server, iot, and what not 15:22:18 <lorbus> right. 15:22:28 <asamalik> + some apps like httpd, nginx, dnf, etc... either in an empty root or on top of some of the bases 15:22:40 <asamalik> yeah 15:23:08 <asamalik> want to make it flexible so we can basically have a look at whatever we want to focus on 15:23:32 <asamalik> ideally using ignatenkobrain's script that might be able to give me data without actually installing the packages anywhere 15:23:50 <asamalik> ... hope I got it right, I still haven't got to play with it properly :) 15:24:01 <ignatenkobrain> yes, it does not install any packages 15:24:11 <asamalik> cool! 15:24:17 <ignatenkobrain> it might not calculate size correctly if you use --nodocs and such, but it is pretty accurate 15:24:26 <ignatenkobrain> let me know if some functionality needs to be added 15:24:46 <asamalik> because my script can only look at an installation that's physically somewhere... well, it at least need the rpm/dnf database 15:24:58 <asamalik> ignatenkobrain: sure, thanks! 15:25:08 <asamalik> the total size I calculate by adding individual package sizes 15:25:41 <asamalik> I should get all of that done before the next meeting 15:26:29 <asamalik> ok, since we want to call it early today... 15:26:31 <asamalik> #topic === What's next? === 15:26:31 <asamalik> Plans for the next week? month? release? 15:26:41 <lorbus> asamalik++ =) 15:26:48 <asamalik> I plan to get the reports done and ready next week! 15:26:58 <asamalik> and ideally rebuilding every day or so 15:27:22 <asamalik> cookies!! \o/ 15:28:05 <lorbus> zod is greedy today :P 15:28:44 <asamalik> zodbot: give me my cookie back! 15:28:55 <lorbus> sgtm! thank you both! 15:29:02 <lorbus> I gotta run to the next mtg. 15:29:14 * lorbus waves 15:29:21 <asamalik> thanks for coming, lorbus! 15:29:22 * asamalik waves 15:29:24 <asamalik> #topic === Open Floor === 15:29:30 <asamalik> Anything else? 15:29:47 * asamalik counts one minute 15:30:45 <asamalik> all right! 15:30:47 <asamalik> #endmeeting