15:00:04 <nils> #startmeeting modularity_wg 15:00:04 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Sep 6 15:00:04 2016 UTC. The chair is nils. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:04 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:04 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'modularity_wg' 15:00:04 <nils> #meetingtopic Weekly meeting of Modularity WG 15:00:04 <nils> #chair haraldh jkurik langdon tflink 15:00:04 <zodbot> Current chairs: haraldh jkurik langdon nils tflink 15:00:13 <nils> #topic Roll Call 15:00:18 <nils> .hello nphilipp 15:00:19 <zodbot> nils: nphilipp 'Nils Philippsen' <nphilipp@redhat.com> 15:00:31 <jkurik> .hello jkurik 15:00:32 <zodbot> jkurik: jkurik 'Jan Kurik' <jkurik@redhat.com> 15:00:59 <cpacheco> .hello cpacheco 15:01:00 <zodbot> cpacheco: cpacheco 'Courtney Pacheco' <cpacheco@redhat.com> 15:01:19 <clime> hey 15:01:41 <langdon> .hello langdon 15:01:42 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@fishjump.com> 15:02:06 <sgallagh> .hello sgallagh 15:02:08 <zodbot> sgallagh: sgallagh 'Stephen Gallagher' <sgallagh@redhat.com> 15:03:02 <nils> #topic Agenda 15:03:02 <nils> #info Badge 15:03:18 <nils> that's a short agenda for today, does anybody have anything to add? 15:03:53 <sgilson> .hello sgilson 15:03:54 <zodbot> sgilson: sgilson 'None' <sgilson@redhat.com> 15:04:04 <lkocman> .hello lkocman 15:04:05 <zodbot> lkocman: lkocman 'Lubos Kocman' <lkocman@redhat.com> 15:04:38 <nils> btw: http://piratepad.nl/modularity-wg-agendas <-- here is it again 15:04:39 <sgallagh> nils: General question: should the Base Runtime share this meeting and agenda? 15:05:25 <nils> sgallagh: good question, langdon? 15:05:27 <sct> .hello sct 15:05:28 <zodbot> sct: sct 'Stephen Tweedie' <sct@redhat.com> 15:05:36 <langdon> sgallagh, i like that idea.. why have another meeting 15:05:38 <nils> #chair sct 15:05:38 <zodbot> Current chairs: haraldh jkurik langdon nils sct tflink 15:05:38 <sct> sgallagh: My preference would be to share if the time works 15:05:42 <sgallagh> nils: Maybe that question is worth an agenda item 15:05:55 <sct> sgallagh: and split if and when it turns out we've got too much content for one meeting. 15:06:15 <sgallagh> I pretty much agree, just figured we could make it official 15:06:19 <sct> +1 15:06:25 <langdon> +1 15:06:42 <nils> now to make meetbot happy... 15:06:46 <nils> #undo 15:06:46 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by nils at 15:03:02 : Badge 15:06:54 <nils> #info should base runtime share this meeting and agenda 15:06:58 <nils> #info Badge 15:07:08 <nils> #topic should base runtime share this meeting and agenda 15:07:15 <nils> #chair dgilmore 15:07:15 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore haraldh jkurik langdon nils sct tflink 15:07:16 <moto-timo> .hello ttorling 15:07:17 <zodbot> moto-timo: ttorling 'None' <TicoTimo@gmail.com> 15:07:54 <nils> any objections to base runtime sharing the meeting? 15:08:00 <asamalik> .hello asamalik 15:08:01 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com> 15:08:22 <nils> none, good 15:08:31 * asamalik is sorry for being late 15:08:55 <nils> #agreed base runtime to share this meeting and agenda for the time being 15:09:06 <nils> sct, langdon, sgallagh: ^^ good? 15:09:10 <sgallagh> ack 15:09:11 <langdon> nils, yep 15:09:15 <sct> Yep 15:09:18 <nils> cool, next 15:09:21 <langdon> sgallagh, do you have a particular thing you wanted to add? 15:09:21 <nils> #topic Badge 15:09:25 <nils> #undo 15:09:25 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Topic object at 0x7f78c4250250> 15:09:44 <sgallagh> langdon: I'll mention a couple minor notes in Open Floor. 15:09:49 <sgallagh> I don't have a discussion topic today. 15:09:51 <langdon> cool 15:10:06 <nils> #topic Badge 15:10:28 <langdon> i think we have no updates :( 15:10:55 <nils> langdon: postpone it till next week? 15:11:09 <langdon> nils, yeah.. unless you know something i dont 15:11:44 <nils> langdon: I don't think so ;). 15:12:01 <nils> #info postponed until next meeting 15:12:27 <nils> #topic Open Floor 15:12:39 <nils> sgallagh: you had something :) 15:12:42 <sgilson> question here 15:12:50 <asamalik> Copr can build modules! At least in the dev environment 15:12:52 <lkocman> What about coper progress? Theyr're rocking! 15:12:53 <lkocman> yeah 15:12:59 <nils> not all at once :) 15:13:02 <nils> sgilson: ? 15:13:15 <asamalik> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNW8QEzsdDg 15:13:16 <sgilson> ok, it's about attribution for wiki articles I create but didn't write 15:13:34 <nils> sgilson: who wrote them? 15:13:44 <sgilson> two I'm thinking of: stc 15:13:50 <sgallagh> one moment. Multi-tasking 15:13:52 <sgilson> sct 15:13:53 <sgilson> sorry 15:14:08 <langdon> asamalik, nils: I think we stopped announcing demos in this meeting.. We should bring that back 15:14:46 <nils> sgilson: I think it's okay if you mention that in the commit message, "originally by XYZ" or something like that 15:14:51 <nils> langdon, sct? ^^ 15:15:21 <sgilson> ok, can do, and I'll add a kind of by line to the top of each 15:15:22 * lkocman goes for a beer stock market 15:15:23 <langdon> Are there commit messages in the wiki? 15:15:37 <sgallagh> langdon: Yes, every edit identifies the account that made it 15:15:40 <nils> langdon: yes, mediawiki has them 15:15:41 <langdon> I think we should add a revision history or something to the doc 15:15:55 <nils> langdon: there is one already :) 15:15:58 <sgallagh> langdon: Well, that's kind of what the revision history of the wiki is for 15:16:00 <nils> at least in MW 15:16:04 <sct> sgilson: Sure. We can cover that when we talk tomorrow if you want too. 15:16:14 <sgallagh> The concern is mainly that it's ascribed to the editor, not necessarily the writer. 15:16:15 <sgilson> sct OK thanks 15:16:18 <langdon> sgallagh I think that is the problem.. The wiki revision history is wrong if Gilson posts for sct 15:16:20 <sgallagh> I usually resolve that with a byline 15:16:34 <sgilson> sgallagh: right 15:16:40 <sgallagh> "This document was contributed by A, B and C" 15:16:46 <sgilson> 72 points, right? 15:16:51 <sgilson> type size 15:16:54 <nils> heh 15:16:57 <nils> of course, minimum 15:17:30 <langdon> I like the "contributions from" 15:17:39 <sgilson> so sct let me know if you want to attribute those articles to someone else ;^) 15:18:12 <langdon> sgilson I think that depends on how negative the feedback is :) 15:18:23 <nils> heh 15:18:24 <sgilson> langdon: good point, wait and see 15:18:41 <sgilson> k thx 15:19:23 <nils> #info attribution of contributed/edited content in the wiki using bylines 15:19:31 <nils> sgilson, langdon, ^^ ? 15:19:33 <langdon> ok.. should we mention the copr stuff now? more formally? 15:19:42 <langdon> nils, no.. 15:19:48 <nils> ok 15:19:50 <nils> #undo 15:19:50 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: INFO by nils at 15:19:23 : attribution of contributed/edited content in the wiki using bylines 15:20:33 <asamalik> ok Copr is for me I guess :) 15:20:33 <langdon> #info attribution of contributed/edited content should be provided in a contribution section on the wiki pages (particularly if not reflected in MW revision history) 15:20:45 <langdon> ^^ better? 15:20:48 <sgilson> langdon: looks good 15:20:56 <nils> langdon: much clearer, thanks 15:21:12 <nils> ok, COPR, asamalik! 15:21:18 <asamalik> Copr team worked on building modules and it's working now as a proof of concept. Not yet in production, still needs some polishing. 15:21:34 <asamalik> If you want to see the workflow, have a look at this 2 min long video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNW8QEzsdDg 15:21:35 <langdon> asamalik, where is it? 15:21:54 <langdon> #chairs 15:21:59 <langdon> #chair 15:21:59 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore haraldh jkurik langdon nils sct tflink 15:22:06 <langdon> #chair asamalik 15:22:06 <zodbot> Current chairs: asamalik dgilmore haraldh jkurik langdon nils sct tflink 15:22:16 <langdon> asamalik, info it!! :) 15:22:29 <asamalik> langdon: it's deployed on the dev instance 15:22:31 <nils> #info and #link 15:22:34 <langdon> and, do we have an eta for prod? 15:22:41 <asamalik> # info Copr team worked on building modules and it's working now as a proof of concept. Not yet in production, still needs some polishing. 15:22:48 <langdon> asamalik, no space :) 15:23:02 <asamalik> #info Copr team worked on building modules and it's working now as a proof of concept. Not yet in production, still needs some polishing. 15:23:24 <asamalik> #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNW8QEzsdDg 15:23:30 <asamalik> langdon: ha! thanks :) 15:23:43 <langdon> asamalik, undo last 15:24:12 <langdon> #undo 15:24:12 <zodbot> Removing item from minutes: <MeetBot.items.Link object at 0x38844dd0> 15:24:18 <langdon> i didn't know i could do that 15:24:19 <langdon> #link https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uNW8QEzsdDg is a 2 min long demo of the current state 15:24:30 <langdon> asamalik, just providing descrip on the link 15:24:40 <asamalik> langdon: cool! 15:24:40 <dgilmore> langdon: any chair can 15:25:14 <asamalik> I also wrote a blog post about Copr's role in modularity 15:25:17 <asamalik> let me find it 15:25:17 <langdon> dgilmore, yeah.. didn't think i could undo someone else's :) 15:25:40 <asamalik> http://blog.samalik.com/copr-in-the-modularity-world/ 15:26:07 <asamalik> It will be also posted on the community blog 15:26:08 <langdon> asamalik, #link with descrip :) 15:26:20 <asamalik> #link http://blog.samalik.com/copr-in-the-modularity-world/ Copr in the modularity world - blog post 15:26:30 * asamalik is learning 15:26:33 <langdon> woot! 15:26:53 <nils> 👍 15:26:59 * asamalik hopes it's a positive woot! 15:27:00 <langdon> more demos we should highlight? 15:27:13 <asamalik> langdon: not yet, I should get more tomorrow 15:27:22 <asamalik> it's delayed this week because of the holiday in the US this monday 15:28:02 <langdon> asamalik, ahh right.. 15:28:03 <langdon> ok 15:28:19 <langdon> asamalik, can you add "demos" to the agenda for next time? please? 15:28:30 <asamalik> langdon: will do 15:28:32 <moto-timo> +1 15:28:55 <langdon> ok.. sgallagh did you have more to bring up? 15:29:27 <sgallagh> Just a minor status update, mentioning what I'm working on. 15:30:12 <langdon> sgallagh, ok.. are you typing? 15:30:22 <sgallagh> I got handed a straw-man example of what a base runtime might look at from a previous brainstorming session. 15:30:37 <sgallagh> Along with its rather massive collection of dependencies. 15:30:52 <langdon> it was perfect, right? /me thinks he was involved :) 15:30:57 <sgallagh> So right now, I'm working on building a few helper tools for analyzing those dependencies and figuring out what is needed where. 15:31:15 <langdon> sgallagh, you should definitely talk to haraldh about his helper tools.. 15:31:20 <langdon> there may be overlap 15:32:08 <sgallagh> langdon: I've seen some of them. 15:32:17 <langdon> ok.. cool 15:32:36 <langdon> more stuff from anyone? 15:32:53 <sgallagh> FWIW, I'll be working from https://github.com/sgallagher/python3-rpm-deps 15:33:41 <sgallagh> (It doesn't do much that's useful yet; it's a rewrite of some code I wrote for Server a while back to help trim the DVD size, but I'm adding more in today) 15:33:44 <sgallagh> EOF 15:35:12 <langdon> sgallagh, geppetto may also have some useful bits too 15:36:18 <sgallagh> langdon: I've been speaking with him 15:36:26 <langdon> cool 15:36:32 <langdon> ok.. anyone else? 15:36:32 <sgallagh> Some of the stuff I wanted to do was on the TODO list for DNF 15:36:38 <sgallagh> But not there yet 15:37:35 <langdon> sgallagh, can we ask the dnf team to up the priority? 15:38:09 <sgallagh> langdon: Unlikely. It's nice-to-have stuff. (It's all to do with querying) 15:38:15 <sgallagh> They've got their hands full with *actual* bugs,. 15:38:33 <sgallagh> I'll look into merging my stuff back in eventually 15:38:38 <langdon> sgallagh, well. it might be worth asking anyway.. follow up with me offline? 15:38:42 <sgallagh> For now, I'm just keeping it separate and using their API 15:39:56 <langdon> ok 15:40:26 <nils> anything/anybody else? 15:41:29 <langdon> nils, i think we should call it 15:41:37 <nils> yup 15:41:43 <nils> #endmeeting