15:01:03 <nils> #startmeeting modularity_wg
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15:01:03 <nils> #meetingtopic Meeting of the Modularity Working Group (once every two weeks)
15:01:03 <nils> #chair dgilmore langdon
15:01:03 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore langdon nils
15:01:14 <nils> #topic Roll Call
15:01:19 <nils> .hello nphilipp
15:01:20 <zodbot> nils: nphilipp 'Nils Philippsen' <nphilipp@redhat.com>
15:01:22 <langdon> .hello2
15:01:23 <zodbot> langdon: langdon 'Langdon White' <langdon@redhat.com>
15:02:06 <contyk> .hello psabata
15:02:07 <zodbot> contyk: psabata 'Petr Šabata' <psabata@redhat.com>
15:02:43 <nils> #chair sct
15:02:43 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore langdon nils sct
15:02:50 <sct> .hello sct
15:02:51 <zodbot> sct: sct 'Stephen Tweedie' <sct@redhat.com>
15:03:22 <nils> #topic Agenda
15:03:25 <langdon> do we have anything for an agenda? we have a new change that was submitted
15:03:30 <nils> No! :D
15:03:40 <mattdm> I would like to see a new Objective for the council
15:03:48 <mattdm> Covering F28 and F29 plans
15:04:13 <nils> langdon, mattdm, in that case, just #info it (mattdm wait a sec)
15:04:17 <nils> #chair mattdm
15:04:17 <zodbot> Current chairs: dgilmore langdon mattdm nils sct
15:04:25 <nils> there
15:05:43 <langdon> #info a new change proposal for f28 has been submitted: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F28AddonModularity
15:06:01 <langdon> #info mattdm & langdon would both like to see a new modularity objective
15:06:34 <nils> if that's it...
15:06:51 <nils> #topic a new change proposal for f28 has been submitted: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/F28AddonModularity
15:07:51 <nils> langdon?
15:08:52 <langdon> i don't have much to "add" .. just that it is proposing the new architecture.. basically, that "everything" will still be built in the traditional way.. and then alternate versions of software can be made available in a new repo..
15:09:08 <nils> ahh got it
15:09:25 <langdon> so the base of fedora won't be "modular" per se.. just that you will have an optional repo that you can collect content from
15:09:46 <nils> --> #info formalizes the hybrid approach, traditional Fedora distro with optional modules on top <-- ?
15:10:15 <langdon> yeah
15:10:58 <nils> #info formalizes the hybrid approach, traditional Fedora distro with optional modules on top
15:11:21 <nils> #topic mattdm & langdon would both like to see a new modularity objective
15:12:05 <langdon> basically.. the fedora modularity objective is outdated now.. it doesn't really reflect the next step(s)... so we need a new one to accurately describe the goals and the reasons for those goals
15:12:12 <mattdm> #link https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Objectives#Fedora_Modularization_.28Prototype_Phase.29
15:12:16 <mattdm> that was for F25 :)
15:12:22 <mattdm> Or :-/ as the case may be
15:12:47 <mattdm> https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/modularity-dead-long-live-modularity/
15:12:56 <mattdm> captures some of it...
15:13:00 <langdon> mattdm: did we come up with time/day we could collaborate on that this week?
15:13:03 <mattdm> as does the F28 proposal
15:13:09 <nils> mattdm, shall I undo that #infoif it's outdated?
15:13:10 <mattdm> langdon: not yet
15:13:28 <mattdm> tomorrow looks good for me
15:13:53 <mattdm> was thinking of going into westford Thursday
15:13:56 <langdon> tomorrow is my bad day.. i can only do 13h-16h or so
15:14:19 <langdon> thurs i can do in westford
15:14:32 <langdon> from about 12 on
15:15:08 <langdon> ok.. we can sidebar that later
15:15:31 <langdon> but.. suffice to say.. we need a new objective.. and we would like help.. but we will try and do a strawman first
15:17:46 <mattdm> sounds right :)
15:18:18 <geppetto> langdon: What do you mean by strawman?
15:18:47 <langdon> geppetto: like a version of the objective to discuss.. hard to talk about a blank sheet of paper..
15:19:05 <geppetto> Ahh, ok
15:19:14 <geppetto> So more like a draft than a strawman then?
15:19:49 <mattdm> yes :)
15:19:51 <mattdm> a draft. :)
15:22:22 <langdon> geppetto: yeah.. strawman usually implies something that you can take wild swings at vs a draft which is something that will be close :)
15:22:48 <asamalik> I'm reworking the docs.. have three pages done, can be previewed here: https://asamalik.fedorapeople.org/mod-docs-preview/design/intro.html
15:22:53 <asamalik> .hello2
15:22:54 <zodbot> asamalik: asamalik 'Adam Samalik' <asamalik@redhat.com>
15:23:38 <asamalik> I'm making sure that we are explaining what problems are we trying to solve
15:24:01 <asamalik> how are we trying to solve them in high-level (the design section)
15:24:16 <nils> langdon, mattdm, done?
15:24:19 <asamalik> and the specific implementation will follow as we come up with it
15:24:35 <asamalik> so that might be the strawman/draft maybe?
15:24:45 <langdon> asamalik: what is the intent of that doc?
15:26:18 <nils> langdon, mattdm, asamalik: ?
15:26:20 <asamalik> langdon: sorry not sure what do you mean? it's the modularity documentation.. why are we doing it, what are we trying to do, how are we approaching it..
15:26:53 <langdon> asamalik: i was somewhat confused.. you are just mentioning it so we could, possibly, use some or all of the content for the objective?
15:27:19 <asamalik> langdon: yes
15:27:27 <langdon> asamalik: gotcha.. ok
15:28:08 <asamalik> the current docs are outdated, so I'm trying not just update them, but simplify them - especially in the "design" section which I think could be used as that objective
15:28:36 <langdon> asamalik: yeah... somewhat.. ill read through and steal what we can :)
15:28:42 <nils> good
15:28:45 <asamalik> langdon: please :)
15:28:46 <nils> :)
15:29:02 <langdon> ok.. should we wrap it up?
15:29:06 <nils> I think so
15:29:29 <nils> doesn't look like there's the need for open floor unless something came up in the last half hour :)
15:29:31 <asamalik> sure... just wanted to mention that works on the docs are happening :)
15:29:42 <nils> ok, thanks everybody!
15:29:45 <nils> #endmeeting