#meeting:fedoraproject.org log

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:04:16

!startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2024-04-22

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:04:17

Meeting started at 2024-04-22 13:04:16 UTC

<@meetbot:fedora.im>

13:04:18

The Meeting name is 'NeuroFedora - 2024-04-22'

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:05:09

!topic Introductions and roll call

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:05:21

!info Agenda is here: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2024/04/22/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-22-april-1300-utc.html

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:05:32

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:05:34

Sandro . (gui1ty)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:05:38

!hi

<@zodbot:fedora.im>

13:05:39

Ankur Sinha (ankursinha) - he / him / his

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:09:47

let's go then 🚀

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:10:01

!topic Tasks from last meeting

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:10:03

!link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-03-25/neurofedora.2024-03-25-13.00.html

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:10:38

Don't see any pending tasks there, will just also check the meeting before

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:11:25

!link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-03-11/neurofedora.2024-03-11-13.01.html

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:11:26

we have a few here

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:12:27

!info Ankur patch out imp import in netpyne to fix FTBFS -> DONE -> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-netpyne/c/fed0174134fc2b64cb286ac1bca188d9a931a2d8?branch=rawhide

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:12:37

Ankur ping raptor co-maintainer to see if they'd take it over

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:12:47

so, it looks like raptor is dead, and replaced by raptor2

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:13:37

I think raptor was a dep for one of our packages, so we should look at using raptor2 for it

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:14:01

COPASI?

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:14:17

Not sure, though. It will be on the dashboard.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:14:25

yeh-> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/COPASI/blob/rawhide/f/COPASI.spec

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:14:46

I guess checking to see if raptor2 suffices would be good to do, or we ask upstream to switch to raptor2 perhaps?

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:15:52

I'd ask upstream first. Not sure how much work it is porting.

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:16:51

Or did we unbundle by any chance? Haven't looked at the package, yet.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:17:17

it has been unbundled from the looks of it: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/COPASI/blob/rawhide/f/COPASI.spec#_136

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:17:28

I'll comment on the bug so that Antonio can take a quick look

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:17:50

raptor is an RDF library. Ugh

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:17:59

Then we could also opt for bundling it again. But porting seems the better option here.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:18:01

but on python, luckily

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:19:07

Upstream does not look ready for raptor2: https://github.com/copasi/COPASI/blob/c9d3fe07cd5ff5a5ba70d03d96e53a01209571d2/CMakeLists.txt#L461

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:19:53

Does anyone know how to get back to the main repo on GitHub after searching it

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:19:56

That's a commit from 2 years agao. 😦

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:19:59

for example, from here: https://github.com/search?q=repo%3Acopasi%2FCOPASI+raptor&type=commits

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:20:19

yeh, but no more raptor related changes since, and no issues/prs either from the looks of it

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:20:43

well, issues aren't enabled on the repo at all..

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:20:48

Upstream might be unaware of raptor no longer being maintained.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:21:25

yeh, since they bundle

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:21:29

nothing on their bug tracker either: http://tracker.copasi.org/buglist.cgi?quicksearch=raptor

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:22:54

Quick fix: enable bundling, Long term: port to raptor2

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:23:23

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:23:34

although, I can't see anything that clearly says that raptorv1 is dead

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:23:36

https://librdf.org/raptor/UPGRADING.html

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:23:43

I think it's assumed since it no longer receives updates?

<@music:fedora.im>

13:24:31

Hello, just got back from school drop-off. Picking up a ☕️ and skimming the logs…

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:25:41

I've dropped a comment on the FTI bug: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2272655

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:25:59

we'll wait for Antonio to chime in as the primary maintainer

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:26:23

#info Wait for Antonio to chime in about COPASI and raptor

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:26:27

ah, no

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:26:34

!info Wait for Antonio to chime in about COPASI and raptor

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:26:45

``` Raptor 1.9.1 Changes 1.9.1 is the second beta release of Raptor 2 and intended to be the last release before 2.0.0. ```

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:29:37

next one: Ankur update monitoring on all packages mentioned in https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/567

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:29:51

this is a moving target, we keep updating the status as we run into more packages

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:30:13

!info Ankur update monitoring on all packages mentioned in https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/567 -> DONE : currently up to date

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:30:31

!topic Open pagure tickets

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:30:35

!link https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:30:56

Apart from the usual longer standing issues, I filed a couple of new ones today

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:31:15

Both our planet instances aren't updating at the moment---some dep issues etc at the moment

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:31:33

!link https://github.com/neurofedora/planet-neuroscience/actions/runs/8782988080/job/24098228457

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:32:17

!link https://github.com/neurofedora/planet-neuroscientists/actions/runs/8783049127/job/24098408955

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:32:27

same error in both places, will need some debugging

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:32:50

we moved to pluto because it was better maintained

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:32:59

There has also been some development around planet.fp.o. Not sure if that affects us as well.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:00

now I see that pluto hasn't received commits in 4 years either.. https://github.com/feedreader/pluto/

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:12

they also migrated to pluto

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:24

venus hadn't seen commits in > 10 years..

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:35

https://github.com/rubys/venus

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:33:45

I guess rss feeds are going out of fashion :(

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:33:50

We'll run out of planets soon. Let's switch to stars. Alpha Tauri anyone?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:34:29

if you write it, I'm sure everyone will turn up :P

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:34:58

If I write, everyone will run away...

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:35:00

I'll look at the issues, hopefully others have run into them too. The weird thing is that I don't get these issues locally, but they do happen on GHA

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:35:17

so worst case scenario, we move from GitHub actions to a cronjob on my machine..

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:35:45

Could it be done with a toddler?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:36:11

what's a toddler? :D

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:36:34

Infrastructre helper scripts kinda.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:36:55

as long as they can run pluto and then push to github so that the site on github pages is updated, yeh

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:37:02

it's a really simple workflow

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:37:04

https://pagure.io/fedora-infra/toddlers

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:37:15

which is why just using Github's actions was sort of the easiest to do

<@music:fedora.im>

13:37:38

bout two feet tall, temperamental, likes snacks

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:37:40

well, our planets don't link in to Fedora events, so maybe we don't need toddlers

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:38:15

they're just regenerated once a day to grab rss feeds from various sourceds

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:38:17

*sources

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:39:04

I'll look into these and see what's up, hopefully something simple

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:39:15

Toddlers are better suited for Fedora stuff, I think.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:39:15

#action Ankur look into broken planets' GHA

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:40:10

!topic Packages health check

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:40:18

!link https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?groups=neuro-sig

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:41:29

The FTBFS list will get a little shorter once F38 goes EOL.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:42:21

oh, I also saw this btw: https://pagure.io/packaging-committee/issue/1343

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:42:37

"Packages containing JavaScript should make the best effort to regenerate any precompiled/pre-minimized JS wherever possible, as this leads to more maintainable packages. Where this would result in a significant hardship, the bundled pregenerated JS may be shipped. This does not eliminate the requirement to validate licenses of bundled code"

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:42:55

so as long as the licenses of bundled code are OK, we're fine?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:43:05

this is for wrt plotly and bokeh

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:44:05

I'd still rather avoid it where possible.

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:47:39

I intend to merge and build `nipy` later today.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:49:18

avoid bundling or avoid packaging plotly/bokeh?

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:49:35

Avoid JS

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:49:54

yeh, of course, but with bokeh/plotly, we don't have a choice..

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:58:33

just looking at the dashboard to see if there's anything urgent

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:59:01

I think we're in good shape there. A few long term issues still open---I need to get back to vxl and steps

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:59:07

but the other packages are ticking along fine

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

13:59:11

I think COPASI is the only package with some urgency.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:59:30

yeh, hopefully Antonio will reply soonish and we can make a dent on that one too

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:59:50

!info Packages in good nick, but please continue to update them etc. as usual

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

13:59:59

!topic Open package reviews check

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:00:07

!link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:00:18

please see the packages that this "tracker" ticket "depends on"

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:00:38

if the "depends on" field is not active, please click the "show advanced fields" button on the right to show them

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:01:09

ok, we do have a few reviews

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:02:12

!info opentcm + python-opentcm: required for python-trimesh: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2274394 + https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2274557

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:02:53

!info python-python-fcl: also an extra dep of trimesh: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2270968

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:03:17

music: are these on the trivial end of the spectrum for reviews?

<@music:fedora.im>

14:04:01

Um… not really. 😆 But I would rate them moderate?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:04:20

I can do moderate :P, I'll take up one and get started on it now

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:05:44

!info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2254733 -> python-sciris: inactive review Josh Santos you around? Anything we can do to help with this one?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:05:54

finally:

<@music:fedora.im>

14:06:01

Happy to swap reviews if anyone has other reviews languishing (with the exception of `pynose`, which I’m not quite in the mood to take on triple-checking the provides/compatibility check situation with `nose`).

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:06:01

!info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2274514 -> python-pynose

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:06:23

Penguinpee: this one worth packaging (is it replacing nose? I haven't looked at the -devel thread recently)

<@music:fedora.im>

14:06:44

Also a heads-up that I am going to try to unretire https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/liblsl and use it https://pypi.org/project/pylsl/.

<@music:fedora.im>

14:07:24

Also a heads-up that I am going to try to unretire https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/liblsl and use it to package https://pypi.org/project/pylsl/.

<@music:fedora.im>

14:07:46

I’m packaging it “from scratch” without reference to the old spec file since it was retired several years ago. I’m currently waiting for https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2268124.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:08:09

is it a dep for something we currently maintain?

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

14:08:18

There's some discussion on the Python list. But the package that needed it has just been updated.

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

14:08:29

⏲️

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:08:52

ah, are you still going to keep pynose then (or get rid of it and have one fewer package to maintain :P ?)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:09:04

yeh, we're a little over, but we're almost finished

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:09:18

!topic Comp neuro iso image check

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:09:27

!info https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691 -> all green ticks, looks fine

<@gui1ty:fedora.im>

14:09:34

I'm still very much in favor of packaging `pynose`. It's a drop-in replacement for `nose`. I tested it.

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:10:03

!info new labs website: https://fedoraproject.org/labs/comp-neuro/

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:10:26

!info skipping next few topics coz we're over time

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:10:38

!topic next meeting, day, chair

<@music:fedora.im>

14:10:54

Not strictly speaking. `python-pyxdf` has an example that is installed and documented as usable via `python -m pyxdf.examples.playback_lsl` that needs `pylsl`. That got me to look at it, and I found that it’s a pretty popular dependency: https://www.wheelodex.org/projects/pylsl/rdepends/

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:10:55

6th of may is a bank holiday here, so I may not be around

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:11:25

cool, sounds good

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:11:42

next meeting in 4 weeks on 20th may then?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:11:51

unless you folks want to meet in 2 weeks for a quick status check?

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:12:15

cool, let's do 20th may then

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:12:28

!info next meeting in 4 weeks on 20th may (6th is a bank holiday in UK)

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:12:36

!topic open floor

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:12:51

let's go back to #neuro:fedoraproject.org and continue with open floor there

<@ankursinha:fedora.im>

14:12:54

!endmeeting