15:01:11 <mhough> #startmeeting "NeuroFedora - 2019-09-12"
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15:01:14 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> Yeah, 10 am
15:01:28 <mhough> 8am here
15:01:55 <mhough> #meetingname neurofedora
15:01:55 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora'
15:02:03 <dan1mal> Francisco was right here, then went for lunch.  should be back in a second
15:02:13 * FranciscoD is here
15:02:15 <mhough> #topic Introductions and Roll call
15:02:21 <dan1mal> .hello2
15:02:22 <zodbot> dan1mal: dan1mal 'Danny Lee' <dreamer@panix.com>
15:02:34 <mhough> .hello2
15:02:35 <zodbot> mhough: mhough 'Morgan Hough' <morgan.hough@gmail.com>
15:02:44 <FranciscoD> .hello2
15:02:45 <zodbot> FranciscoD: Sorry, but you don't exist
15:02:52 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> Alberto Rodríguez fas bt0dotninja
15:02:53 <FranciscoD> :(
15:02:56 <FranciscoD> .fas ankursinha
15:02:57 <zodbot> FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' <sanjay.ankur@gmail.com>
15:03:00 <dan1mal> 8O
15:03:49 <mhough> Do I list everyone after "chair"?
15:04:06 <FranciscoD> Yeh, that'll work
15:04:29 <FranciscoD> #info Meetbot command reference: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Meeting:Guide#MeetBot_Commands
15:05:04 <zbyszek> .hello2
15:05:05 <zodbot> zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' <zbyszek@in.waw.pl>
15:05:52 <mhough> #chair dan1mal  FranciscoD alciregi zbyszek bt0dotninja
15:05:52 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD alciregi bt0dotninja dan1mal mhough zbyszek
15:06:37 <FranciscoD> major is probably busy studying for their exams :D
15:07:23 <mhough> #topic Today's agenda
15:08:43 <mhough> #info  Tasks from last week's meeting: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/neurofedora/neurofedora.2019-09-05-14.59.html
15:09:05 <mhough> Is there a way to list the action items?
15:09:25 <mhough> They are at the bottom
15:09:35 <tg-fedneuro> <k​eszybz> C&P ?
15:10:04 <FranciscoD> mhough: copy and paste, I'm afraid---one by one :(
15:10:11 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.comment.added -- bt0dotninja commented on ticket fedora-infrastructure#8159: "Update package descriptions with their summaries." https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8159#comment-597185
15:10:15 <mhough> okay
15:10:34 <mhough> I will just go through the agenda first if that's OK
15:10:54 <mhough> #info Open bugs at: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/buglist.cgi?bug_status=NEW&bug_status=ASSIGNED&email1=neuro-sig%40lists.fedoraproject.org&emailassigned_to1=1&emailcc1=1&emaildocs_contact1=1&emaillongdesc1=1&emailqa_contact1=1&emailreporter1=1&emailtype1=substring&list_id=10455921&query_format=advanced
15:11:25 <mhough> #info Review of current progress
15:11:32 <FranciscoD> ++
15:12:02 <mhough> #info Action items from previous meeting
15:12:23 <mhough> #info Neuroscience query of the week
15:12:34 <mhough> #info Next meeting chair selection
15:12:44 <mhough> #info Open floor
15:13:21 <mhough> okay
15:13:56 <mhough> #topic Tasks from last week's meeting
15:14:30 <mhough> Anyone like to start?
15:15:30 <dan1mal> https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/198 has been updated.
15:16:00 <dan1mal> FranciscoD forked the fedora-comps pagure and made edits to https://pagure.io/fork/ankursinha/fedora-comps/blob/neuro-fedora/f/comps-f32.xml.in
15:16:17 <FranciscoD> let me quickly generate a diff
15:16:25 <dan1mal> that include the neuron-modelling-simulators group
15:17:29 <FranciscoD> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/tg2z27oYg5EL3FO159uF-w -> our additions
15:18:08 <mhough> which of these is the change proposal?
15:18:42 <FranciscoD> This is comps, doesn't require a change proposal.
15:18:59 <FranciscoD> The labs require a change proposal:
15:19:08 <dan1mal> Once the edits are done, we can submit a pull request, right?
15:19:09 <mhough> okay I am just looking through the action items and trying to match things up
15:19:17 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: yes,
15:19:26 <zbyszek> The diff says "...skipping...".
15:19:35 <zbyszek> Some stuff was ommitted.
15:19:52 <FranciscoD> ugh, hold on
15:20:11 <zbyszek> Just pipe to fpaste directly...
15:20:34 <FranciscoD> https://paste.fedoraproject.org/paste/a4~V9ixFH7y9UqzN3OLNUg
15:20:51 <mhough> #info making a neurofedora groups package for installer
15:21:00 <FranciscoD> zbyszek: too lazy to see what the language option for diffs in fpaste is :P
15:21:28 <FranciscoD> mhough: we've uncoupled the comps and ks for the moment
15:21:34 <FranciscoD> When the comps group is ready, we can use that in the ks
15:22:03 <mhough> okay so this is a ks issue currently?
15:22:19 <mhough> sorry just trying to mark it in the meeting notes correctly
15:22:31 <FranciscoD> No, this is comps at the moment
15:22:55 <FranciscoD> (#199 is ks, which we can do next)
15:22:59 <dan1mal> I think that unless there is more software to be added atm, we could submit it.  what do you think?
15:23:11 <zbyszek> Yeah, please submit the PR>
15:23:16 <FranciscoD> +1
15:23:17 <dan1mal> I was wondering if we could retro-edit 30/31 too or only forward
15:23:22 <zbyszek> We can always add more stuff later.
15:23:26 <dan1mal> +1
15:23:37 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> +1
15:23:38 <zbyszek> Yes, it is possible to "retro-edit".
15:24:00 <dan1mal> it would be nice for people usinf F30 to install the package as a group
15:24:46 <FranciscoD> we'll need to confirm if all these tools are in F30 first---a few of our packages are only f31+ because of deps
15:24:49 <FranciscoD> I *think*
15:25:02 <FranciscoD> We can look into that, though, no biggie
15:25:10 <dan1mal> ah i c, im still vague on these sorts of things.  no need to add work
15:25:25 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD look at F30 comps, update, open comps PR
15:25:32 <FranciscoD> #action dan1mal look at F30 comps, update, open comps PR
15:26:34 <FranciscoD> mhough: now we can do the ks and lab image :)
15:26:44 <mhough> okay is that it for #198?
15:26:54 <FranciscoD> Yes
15:26:55 <dan1mal> Affirmative
15:27:16 <mhough> #info issues with the labs image https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/199
15:27:30 <FranciscoD> #info Change proposal draft is here: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Comp_Neuro_Lab
15:27:34 <zbyszek> OK, I checked, and all the packages in the comps diff are in F30.
15:27:54 <zbyszek> So the same PR should be applied for F32, F31, and F30.
15:27:54 <dan1mal> .thank zbyszek
15:27:54 <zodbot> dan1mal thinks zbyszek is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please also type zbyszek++ since that is what gives them a cookie)
15:28:03 <FranciscoD> ah, brilliant
15:28:09 <dan1mal> zbyszek++
15:28:09 <zodbot> dan1mal: Karma for zbyszek changed to 6 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:28:26 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD make same additions to f30 and f31 for comps PR
15:28:38 <FranciscoD> zbyszek++
15:28:57 <FranciscoD> The change proposal was relatively simple.
15:29:01 <FranciscoD> It's for F32, of course
15:29:42 <dan1mal> For the change proposal draft, I looked it over and it looks good.  The only change i made was adding bt0dotninja to the list of owners.
15:30:05 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: Awesome. Oh, and could you add a bit to your userpage on the wiki when you have a sec?
15:30:30 <FranciscoD> Just a link to your webpage/blog etc maybe?
15:30:32 <dan1mal> sure
15:30:37 <FranciscoD> bt0dotninja++
15:30:41 <FranciscoD> bt0++
15:30:47 <dan1mal> #action dan1mal to edit webpage/userpage
15:30:57 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> :)
15:31:17 <dan1mal> .thank bt0dotninja for his help!
15:31:19 <zodbot> dan1mal thinks bt0dotninja for his help! is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please also type bt0dotninja for his help!++ since that is what gives them a cookie)
15:31:35 <dan1mal> bt0dotninja++
15:31:35 <zodbot> dan1mal: Karma for bt0dotninja changed to 8 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:31:38 <FranciscoD> So, if everyone can look over the change proposal, I'll submit it to the program manager on Monday. How does that sound?
15:31:39 <mhough> ok are those the action items for this issue?
15:31:59 <zbyszek> Sounds good.
15:32:18 <dan1mal> just needs to be submitted, right?  To infra?
15:32:36 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD submit change proposal on Monday, 16th Sept
15:32:49 <mhough> great
15:32:54 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: well, it needs to be submitted to the program manager first, by changing the category of the wiki page
15:33:03 <FranciscoD> they'll look it over, file the necessary bugs
15:33:17 <FranciscoD> and then I reckon we'll make a PR against kickstarts
15:33:57 <FranciscoD> and see what else releng needs us to do
15:34:13 <mhough> #info review and merge biosig PR
15:34:22 <FranciscoD> done, update pushed to bodhi
15:34:29 <mhough> awesome
15:34:39 <FranciscoD> major++
15:34:57 <mhough> I also show this
15:35:06 <mhough> #info update bug link on blog and docs with short link
15:35:11 <FranciscoD> also done
15:35:27 <mhough> and finally
15:35:29 <FranciscoD> #info short bug link: https://tinyurl.com/neurofedora-bugs
15:35:32 <mhough> #info     comment on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1739786
15:35:57 <mhough> FranciscoD++
15:35:58 <zodbot> mhough: Karma for ankursinha changed to 6 (for the current release cycle):  https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any
15:35:58 <FranciscoD> Ah, I forgot this one
15:36:12 <mhough> well that was for all the others
15:36:21 <FranciscoD> Miro has said they'll make an announcement about the new macros, so we can proceed with that review now
15:36:53 <mhough> I don't see it here but I would like to add
15:36:56 <FranciscoD> commented on the bug now
15:37:23 <mhough> #info update of python3-fsleyes to fc30, fc31
15:38:07 <FranciscoD> mhough: there's a new version, but I want the update with sip/wxpython to go to stable first
15:38:26 <FranciscoD> since that fixes the crash bug
15:38:27 <mhough> yes sip/wxpython made it to testing yesterday and I am pleased to say it works
15:38:47 <FranciscoD> mhough: please leave karma. I didn't want to since I'm the maintainer too :)
15:39:21 <FranciscoD> #info Please test python3-fsleyes, and if it works, please give this update +1 karma: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-d10d453d2b
15:39:29 <mhough> Gotcha
15:39:38 <dan1mal> yay!  .thank mhough
15:39:53 <zbyszek> Do we want to file for F31 beta freeze exception?
15:39:56 <mhough> I was checking that out yesterday and I will try
15:40:16 <dan1mal> hmm, zodbot really?  i have to type your commands without any pre-text?
15:40:19 <mhough> the sip/wxpython update fixes another package for me too
15:40:19 <dan1mal> .thank mhough
15:40:19 <zodbot> dan1mal thinks mhough is awesome and is happy they are helping! (Please also type mhough++ since that is what gives them a cookie)
15:40:51 <FranciscoD> zbyszek: hrm, I hadn't thought of that
15:41:22 <mhough> Please zbyszek that sounds important
15:41:53 <FranciscoD> I don't see a sip update for f31 at all
15:41:55 <FranciscoD> https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/?packages=sip
15:42:01 <FranciscoD> Ah, no, it's there
15:42:04 * FranciscoD is blind
15:42:19 <tg-fedneuro> <b​t0dotninja> :D
15:42:25 <FranciscoD> #info F31 fsleyes + sip + wxpython update: https://bodhi.fedoraproject.org/updates/FEDORA-2019-e58677d9dd
15:42:51 <mhough> Great OK on to the next topic then
15:42:54 <zbyszek> sudo dnf upgrade --advisory FEDORA-2019-e58677d9dd '*'
15:43:19 <FranciscoD> zbyszek: since a proven packager editd that, and autopush is disabled, a proven packager will have to manually push these to stable too?
15:44:32 <zbyszek> Not sure. I re-enabled autopush just in case.
15:44:35 <mhough> #topic additonal pagure tickets
15:44:47 <FranciscoD> zbyszek: that should do it, thanks
15:45:29 <mhough> #info #276 Package descriptions
15:45:40 <FranciscoD> That's a WIP, infra is looking into it
15:45:57 <mhough> Always a good time to bring up
15:46:05 <FranciscoD> #info Infra ticket to update package summaries: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/8159
15:46:13 <mhough> #info #274 Flock conference reports
15:46:14 <FranciscoD> we can remove the next-meeting tag from this
15:46:19 <FranciscoD> er, from 276
15:46:22 <FranciscoD> not 274 :P
15:46:45 <FranciscoD> actually, can I close 276 now that infra has been informed?
15:46:54 <FranciscoD> nothing for us to do there
15:46:55 <mhough> okay great
15:47:02 <MeWjOr> Sorry for joining in late. So, just an update that I had assigned myself #281.
15:47:22 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: nice, we'll get to that in the Open Floor if that's OK?
15:47:30 <MeWjOr> Sure
15:47:33 <mhough> thanks MeWjOr
15:47:45 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.edit -- ankursinha edited the close_status and status fields of ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#276 https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/276
15:47:46 <fm-neuro> pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#276: "Package descriptions at Fedora Package Sources" https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/276#comment-597211
15:48:08 <mhough> okay anything you want to add on
15:48:13 <mhough> #info #250
15:48:25 <FranciscoD> The flock reports are still pending (274)
15:48:36 <mhough> Yes
15:48:42 * FranciscoD has to write a report for the OSB workshop too
15:48:49 <FranciscoD> #action FranciscoD write event report for OSB workshop
15:49:05 <mhough> that sounds interesting
15:49:55 <FranciscoD> I'll give some info on that in Open Floor
15:51:44 <FranciscoD> mhough: next :)
15:51:53 <mhough> okay are there any bug reports that we should cover?
15:52:27 <FranciscoD> I don't thik so.
15:52:30 <FranciscoD> No, nothing new there
15:52:31 <mhough> #topic Neuroscience query of the week
15:53:04 <FranciscoD> I guess I can give an update on what I saw at the workshop here---it was all fairly technical
15:53:06 <mhough> I don't know if anyone had a topic they wanted to discuss
15:53:19 <mhough> Sure that would be relevant
15:53:31 <FranciscoD> #info http://www.opensourcebrain.org/docs/Help/Meetings#OSB_2019 -> was the agenda
15:54:09 <FranciscoD> Angus and Padraig are from UCL here in London. They are funded by the Wellcome trust and are in-charge of the "Open Source Brain" initiative
15:54:19 <FranciscoD> In general, OSB builds tools for visualisation and access of neurscience data
15:54:45 <FranciscoD> You can play around with it here: http://www.opensourcebrain.org/
15:54:53 <mhough> I see Padraig Gleeson behind a number of software initatives
15:55:10 <FranciscoD> You can also run simulations using OSB
15:55:22 <FranciscoD> mhough: yes, he's also part of INCF with Andrew Davidson etc
15:55:35 <mhough> I see
15:55:44 <FranciscoD> This paper describes OSB quite well: https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(19)30444-1
15:55:57 <FranciscoD> Now, an important part of all this is standardisation
15:56:23 <FranciscoD> As in, coming up with a global standard of how to save neuroscience data so that it can be shared
15:56:30 <FranciscoD> and so that all tools can target the same standard
15:57:02 <FranciscoD> #info From the experimental side, "Neurodata without borders" is now quite widely accepted: https://neurodatawithoutborders.github.io/
15:57:16 <FranciscoD> we have the python library for nwb in NeuroFedora already, by the way
15:57:46 <mhough> I saw you submitted some new items this week, were they from OSB?
15:57:52 <FranciscoD> For model descriptions, OSB uses NeuroML: https://www.neuroml.org/
15:58:02 <FranciscoD> mhough: not all of them---I added whatever tools the other speakers had mentioned
15:58:17 <mhough> Yeah thats what I was trying to do from CNS too
15:58:24 <zbyszek> Nice, more packaging work ;)
15:58:30 <dan1mal> are there commercial versions of these softwares too?
15:58:30 <FranciscoD> oh, so much more XD
15:58:38 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: generally, no.
15:58:39 <mhough> haha
15:58:44 <FranciscoD> they're mostly FOSS
15:59:27 <FranciscoD> Some experimental labs do use commercial, proprietary software---but that's extremely specialist software
15:59:30 <mhough> Really interesting
15:59:38 <FranciscoD> like for use with electron microscopes and that sort of thing
15:59:58 <mhough> Yeah especially labs that are doing microscopy work
16:00:13 <dan1mal> seems to me in another decade or so the software may come together like redhat and get commercialized in some shape or form
16:00:14 <FranciscoD> NeuroML is basically a model description language. THe idea is that if you write in NeuroML, that can run on any simulator: neuron, nest, brian2, genesis, tvb
16:00:40 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: if we do a good job, who knows, RH may think of helping us with support ;)
16:00:47 * FranciscoD has thought of that for the long term
16:00:54 <mhough> I was thinking that too
16:01:14 <FranciscoD> early days, though :)
16:01:27 <FranciscoD> So, NWB is a standard now
16:01:37 <mhough> Here is someone who will be seaking at computational psychiatry
16:01:38 <dan1mal> def. a field of possibilities now that ai is rising.  i think it may come faster than expected.
16:01:39 <mhough> https://researcher.watson.ibm.com/researcher/view.php?person=us-gcecchi
16:01:57 <FranciscoD> NeuroML is too, but adoption is slow because people love to write their own things
16:02:11 <mhough> It's nice to see that IBM has a neuroimaging group :)
16:02:29 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: yeh, but a majority of AI folks dont care about the brain or neuroscience
16:02:38 <FranciscoD> it's brain inspired at most
16:03:00 <mhough> That is sort of true but Hinton and others actually do
16:03:14 <FranciscoD> mhough: yeh, the core group that tries to understand the maths does
16:03:28 <dan1mal> it seems that the two sciences will meet in the not so distant future
16:03:30 <FranciscoD> not the folks that do applied AI, which is unfortunately the majority :(
16:03:44 <mhough> yeah its true
16:03:51 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: hard to say---we thought AI would be conscious in 20 years back in 1980 XD
16:04:02 <mhough> There is a great Montreal meeting MAIN that I woould recommend
16:04:09 <FranciscoD> mhough: link?
16:04:16 <dan1mal> lol, yeah, i remember encyclopedia britannica had books showing us living in space by the 2000s
16:04:22 <FranciscoD> I probably won't make it. I expect my next event will be CNS next year
16:04:38 <mhough> http://www.crm.umontreal.ca/2018/MAIN2018/index_e.php
16:04:40 <FranciscoD> INCF meet in Seattle next year---maybe I can make it there. Depends on timing, funds etc
16:04:44 <mhough> that was last year
16:05:01 <FranciscoD> nice
16:05:03 <mhough> haha living in space:)
16:05:10 <FranciscoD> There were people from the Allen Institute there
16:05:15 <FranciscoD> (at OSB)
16:05:26 <mhough> Yeah OSB looks great
16:05:40 <FranciscoD> https://portal.brain-map.org/ -> massive database of neurons
16:05:45 <mhough> Okay its been an hour
16:05:48 <FranciscoD> from genetic info to morphology etc
16:05:56 <FranciscoD> ugh, yeh, it has
16:06:04 <mhough> I should go sorry - I need to get my daughter to preschool
16:06:13 <FranciscoD> I'll write a report about it all anyway
16:06:19 <mhough> Awesome
16:06:27 <mhough> #topic Next meeting day, and chair.
16:06:32 <FranciscoD> I added dnf commands for all our tools to docs, by the way: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/neurofedora/compneuro-tools
16:06:45 <FranciscoD> Ah, who shall chair the next meeting?
16:06:47 <mhough> So I assume we will meet again next week
16:06:56 <FranciscoD> MeWjOr: want to give it a go if you're done with exams?
16:07:02 <mhough> Yes who would like to chair?
16:07:03 <dan1mal> I
16:07:03 * MeWjOr still has exams
16:07:14 * MeWjOr has an exam tomorrow... :(
16:07:15 <FranciscoD> ah, not you then MeWjOr
16:07:23 <FranciscoD> dan1mal: you OK to chair again?
16:07:26 <dan1mal> i'll have a tougher time the coming weeks.  Having a coding bootcamp
16:07:37 <FranciscoD> ah, yeh, I remember you saying so
16:07:46 <dan1mal> Sorry, i can't - my class runs right into our meeting
16:07:48 <FranciscoD> better focus on that---most of the work for comps etc is done
16:08:04 <FranciscoD> zbyszek: @bt0dotninja?
16:08:05 <dan1mal> still not sure of the format, but I will know next week
16:08:18 <zbyszek> I'll be at a conference next week, I'll most likely miss the meeting.
16:08:20 <mhough> I can always do it
16:08:36 <FranciscoD> ah, no worries
16:08:48 <FranciscoD> mhough: maybe I'll do it and we go around the same order?
16:08:52 <mhough> cool
16:08:55 <FranciscoD> gives everyone a rest too?
16:09:00 <FranciscoD> #info FranciscoD chair next meeting
16:09:28 <FranciscoD> mhough: please close the meeting so you can get on with your day :P
16:09:35 <FranciscoD> #action mhough send out logs to mailing list
16:09:36 <mhough> yeah
16:09:37 <mhough> okay
16:09:44 <mhough> thanks everyone
16:09:48 <MeWjOr> :D
16:10:01 <dan1mal> thank you!
16:10:05 <mhough> #endmeeting