15:00:45 #startmeeting NeuroFedora 2019-09-19 15:00:45 Meeting started Thu Sep 19 15:00:45 2019 UTC. 15:00:45 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 15:00:45 The chair is FranciscoD. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 15:00:45 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 15:00:45 The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora_2019-09-19' 15:00:54 #meetingname neurofedora 15:00:54 The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora' 15:01:02 #chair zbyszek MeWjOr LoKoMurdoK alciregi 15:01:02 Current chairs: FranciscoD LoKoMurdoK MeWjOr alciregi zbyszek 15:01:14 Sorry telegram folks, can't chair you :( 15:02:23 #topic Agenda summary 15:02:26 #info https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/neuro-sig@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/CF7RE5AC6O2TH5PPOX7KVCQUKDPBTHWI/ 15:02:34 #info Introductions and roll-call 15:02:40 #info Tasks from last meeting 15:02:44 #info Pagure tickets 15:02:47 #info Bugs 15:02:56 #info Neuroscience query of the week 15:03:02 #info Next meeting chair 15:03:08 #info Open floor 15:03:16 #topic Introductions and roll call 15:03:28 .fas ankursinha 15:03:28 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 15:03:51 .fas major 15:03:51 MeWjOr: bryant3 'SQ III' - mhayden 'Major Hayden' - amayorov 'Aleksandr Mayorov' - majordomo 'majordomo' - munawarp 'Munawar Punnasseri' - fourmajor 'Stuart Matthews' - ramuso 'ramajor' - majora '' - ppk 'Prashant Kulkarni' (2 more messages) 15:04:01 .fas blackfile 15:04:02 blackfile: blackfile 'Luis Manuel Segundo' 15:04:27 #chair blackfile 15:04:27 Current chairs: FranciscoD LoKoMurdoK MeWjOr alciregi blackfile zbyszek 15:04:43 fas: major: Aniket Pradhan 15:06:56 .hello2 15:06:57 zbyszek: zbyszek 'Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek' 15:07:12 I'm here, but my network is really bad, so I mgiht drop off anytime 15:07:15 Hi 15:07:35 No worries zbyszek 15:07:43 Hi blackfile @bt0dotninja! :) 15:07:56 Moving to next topic 15:08:06 #topic Tasks from last meeting on 12th Sep 2019 15:08:27 #info Minutes: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/teams/neurofedora/neurofedora.2019-09-12-15.01.html 15:08:43 #info FranciscoD dan1mal open comps PR: DONE 15:09:10 #info dan1mal to update their user page on wiki: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/User:Dan1mal: DONE 15:09:35 #info FranciscoD submit change proposal: DONE 15:09:47 #info Change propsal was sent out to devel-announce and devel lists: https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Comp_Neuro_Lab 15:10:06 #info FranciscoD write OSB workshop event report: PENDING, Reassigning 15:10:11 #action FranciscoD write OSB workshop event report 15:10:21 #info mhough send out logs: DONE 15:10:34 That was quite good XD 15:10:53 #topic Pagure tickets 15:11:11 #info Pagure tickets marked for this meeting: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting 15:11:40 #info Issue #250: Figure out badges rule to award badge automatically to pagure group members: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/250 15:11:56 This needs to be followed up, but it depends on a ticket on the badges pagure project 15:12:07 #info Issue #678: You're a member of the Neuro Fedora SIG - fedora-badges : https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/678 15:12:19 #info riecatnor improved the badge, please give your comments 15:12:36 #info Improved version of badge: https://pagure.io/fedora-badges/issue/678#comment-597731 15:13:06 * FranciscoD already commented 15:13:16 everyone else, please take a look and drop a comment 15:13:33 ok 15:13:39 When that is done, we can give everyone the badge, and look at automating it 15:14:06 #info Issue #250: Figure out badges rule to award badge automatically to pagure group members - NeuroFedora - waiting on Badges #678 15:14:39 #info Issue #274: Flock: conference reports - NeuroFedora - https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/274 15:14:52 Another poke for everyone that went to Flock XD 15:15:07 I'll close this in a few days, though---it's been a while since Flock 15:15:14 #action FranciscoD close #274 on Monday 15:15:31 #info Issue #292: A default bibliography manager for inclusion in NeuroFedora groups/image - NeuroFedora - https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/292 15:15:41 I filed this today while working with Jabref etc 15:15:46 Thoughts? 15:16:08 I only know about bibtex... whats up with it? 15:16:23 If you think you need more time to play with the tools, we can leave this for the time being and discuss it in a week or two 15:16:31 MeWjOr: bibtex is a format---most of these tools support it 15:16:44 and then, when using LaTeX, bibtex is a tool to work with bibtex files 15:16:50 but it isn't a reference manager really 15:17:32 Ohh.. okay 15:19:18 #info BibTeX format and explanations: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BibTeX 15:19:38 https://github.com/zotero I remember this as well... Zotero is a manager, right? 15:19:50 Yes, web based with a client also 15:19:55 pretty good features 15:20:14 the one main competitor to Mendeley (which is now owned by publishing giant Elsevier) 15:20:33 And it is not packaged for Fedora, yet 15:20:53 No, only Jabref is in fedora, and is currently outdated 15:20:59 zotero isn't 15:21:09 mendeley shouldn't be (not FOSS) 15:21:18 bibus is now inactive upstream 15:21:18 I don't know, ship a firefox plugin doesn't sound good 15:21:37 bt0dotninja: which one? zotero? 15:21:48 yes, zotero 15:21:50 it is a standalone tool too---with plugins for FF/Chrome etc 15:21:58 and it's a full web app too that syncs with the client 15:22:15 https://www.zotero.org/download/ -> version 5.0 for Linux 15:23:57 Maybe I can try my hands on packaging Zotero? 15:24:58 Yeh, I haven't seen how hard/easy it is though 15:25:20 So maybe give it a go, and if it's too complex, leave it for the time being 15:25:36 We can always just link to the download page in our docs at the moment 15:25:36 From what I can see is it just requires copying the directory to /opt and then creating symlinks 15:26:00 MeWjOr: oh, no---that's "installing". For the rpm, it'll have to be built from source 15:26:06 what one is ship with the science lab? 15:26:16 https://www.zotero.org/support/dev/client_coding/building_the_standalone_client 15:26:17 or they don't ship any 15:26:31 I don't think they ship any 15:27:02 I guess I will have to look at their compiling instructions then.. :P 15:27:20 I feel like this is low-priority, since both Jabref and Zotero provide pre-compiled binaries to download 15:27:51 I'd be happy with adding them to the docs for the time being, and focussing on packaging more research software 15:27:59 +1 15:28:08 +1 too 15:28:55 OK, let's do that for the moment 15:29:02 #action FranciscoD add zotero and jabref to docs 15:29:19 #agreed Add zotero + jabref to docs and not work on packaging them up at the moment 15:29:41 That's all the tickets then 15:30:17 Before we move on to the next topic 15:30:35 Does anyone know what we have to do next for the lab image? The change proposal is fine, but what now? XD 15:31:25 It should get handled automatically by Ben Cotton. 15:31:46 He's sent the e-mail out to the lists 15:32:17 I think we get a tracker bug for this next 15:32:36 Yep, he should take care of the necessary steps. 15:32:45 In another meeting 😔 15:33:08 zbyszek: OK, so we wait then :) 15:33:18 #info https://fedoraproject.org/wiki/Changes/Policy#How_is_a_change_accepted.3F -> next steps here 15:33:27 @LoKoMurdoK: no worries :) 15:33:46 @bt0dotninja: do you think we can make a F31 based ISO for ourselves to test? 15:33:57 that shouldn't be too hard, right? 15:34:01 yes 15:34:18 Do we have some place to keep it in? 15:34:24 no, let me try and update the ticket 15:34:28 Should I ask infra to give us some fedora-people space? 15:34:43 sounds lake a plan 15:34:47 like 15:35:04 OK, I'll do that 15:35:18 #action FranciscoD file ticket with infra requesting fedorapeople space to host our test lab image 15:35:33 How much space should I ask for? 10/15 gigs? 15:36:36 it's enough to two or three images 15:36:44 #info Next steps for lab image: generate test images 15:36:52 OK, I'll ask for 15gigs and see what they say :) 15:37:32 #info PR#410: Add neuro-fedora related groups and categories - fedora-comps - https://pagure.io/fedora-comps/pull-request/410 -> filed already, waiting for merge 15:37:43 I expect we'll wait till F31 release---everyone is quite busy at the moment ;) 15:38:12 that is true 15:38:13 #action FranciscoD poke/ping comps PR in 2 weeks 15:38:41 #topic Open bugs 15:38:59 #info Open bugs: https://tinyurl.com/neurofedora-bugs 15:39:20 Have a few simple python updates---any takers? 15:39:40 Hi 15:39:52 are you done with your exams MeWjOr ? 15:40:01 true 15:40:11 They'll get over on Sunday 15:40:18 :D 15:40:31 OK, get them over with, then you can take a few of these up if you're not busy celebrating :P 15:40:50 #info NOTE: All python-fsl* packages must be submitted as a single update 15:41:10 I'm working on ITK and VXL etc. Will have those fixed in a week too, hopefully 15:41:22 What does the last info mean.. 15:41:31 MeWjOr: so, you update the spec, push, build 15:41:39 then you have to submit updates to bodhi, right? 15:41:55 No, I meant what does submitting them as a single update mean 15:42:09 a bodhi update can include multiple packages 15:42:32 since these are linked, they generally move together---so we have to ensure that they hit the mirrors together 15:42:44 Ohh.. got it 15:42:54 so we submit all of them in the same bodhi update---that way they hit "stable" together and go to users together 15:43:11 when there are runtime deps between packages, this needs to be kept in mind 15:43:33 Actually runtime deps should be handled by installation-time deps. 15:44:01 But installation-time deps can cause packages to be uninstallable, if some part of the package set is not pushed to the mirrors along with the rest. 15:44:17 That's where the #info item comes in. 15:44:21 +1 15:44:51 Ohh... okay 15:45:23 MeWjOr: you can do the fsl packages this time to see how it is done :) 15:45:40 Great! 15:45:48 no hurry, though---we only just pushed an fsl update with the sip/wxpython fixes 15:46:13 Any other major bugs that we need to look into urgently? 15:46:31 there are one or two that are waiting for upstream to fix :( 15:47:37 OK, next topic then 15:47:42 #topic Neuroscience query of the week 15:48:22 I was wondering: any one interested in reading this paper: https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(19)30290-9 15:48:30 "The Scientific Case for Brain Simulations" 15:48:44 It's quite high level---discusses what modelling/simulation is and why its important 15:49:08 Can we distribute a PDF? 15:49:16 Also discusses quite a few tools, and should have something about what the Human Brain Project is up to 15:49:39 mhough: this is the pre-print: https://arxiv.org/abs/1906.06189 15:49:53 and I can download the PDF once the meeting is over---will have to hop on to the uni VPN :) 15:50:10 We probably could, but I think it's enough to provide a link from our wiki pages... 15:50:21 Yeah I would love to read that 15:50:44 zbyszek: for the pdf? I think the silly thing is paywalled, so one needs access 15:50:55 orrr, one should probably not use sci-hub :) 15:51:16 Oh, I misread. 15:51:17 arxiv works 15:52:27 So should we discuss that in the next meeting, or maybe in 2 weeks to give everyone time to read it properly? 15:53:38 Happy to talk about once everyone has time to read it 15:54:18 OK, let's aim for two weeks 15:54:34 I'll file us a ticket to track this too---that way everyone will be aware 15:54:49 Next topic 15:55:03 #topic Next meeting time and chair 15:55:18 Next meeting in a week? +1/-1/0 please? 15:55:20 +1 15:55:23 +1 15:55:29 +1 15:55:46 +1 15:56:00 that's enough +1s 15:56:05 :P 15:56:12 Can I host the next meeting? 15:56:20 #info Next meeting will be in a week on 26 September, same time 15:56:26 #info MeWjOr will chair the next meeting 15:56:30 Yep ;) 15:56:32 Yay! 15:56:35 :) 15:56:37 #action FranciscoD send out meeting logs 15:56:51 #action MeWjOr send out reminder on Tuesday 15:57:07 #action MeWjOr set up agenda---go over pagure tickets and mark ones that need discussing 15:57:23 #action MeWjOr ping folks over telegram an hour or so before the meeting 15:57:39 I think that's all you need to do before the meeting 15:57:49 #topic Open Floor 15:58:01 3 minutes for this---anything interesting going on? :) 15:58:38 This happened, of course: https://www.engadget.com/2019/09/17/rms-fsf-mit-epstein/ 15:58:48 I'll let you read it and find out what/why etc. 15:58:55 Is that the one about Stallman? 15:58:58 Yeh 16:00:14 There are quite a few good neuroscience related reads here: https://ankursinha.in/planet-neuroscientists/ 16:00:33 How To Cope Under Pressure, According To Psychology – Research Digest: https://digest.bps.org.uk/2019/09/17/how-to-cope-under-pressure-according-to-psychology/ 16:00:35 for example 16:01:58 The BPS does some really good topics 16:02:07 OK, if nothing else, I'll close the meeting 16:02:13 Closing in 5 16:02:35 I might do something related to psycho-acoustics, in the next half of my semester 16:02:39 any thought? 16:02:46 Very cool 16:02:56 Ooo, I don't know much about it. I can ask around and look 16:03:04 What kind of thing? 16:03:35 It's basically creating neural responses through some specific tones 16:03:37 Let me close the meeting and then we can discuss that 16:03:42 Sure 16:03:42 #endmeeting