13:02:19 #startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2021-05-10 13:02:19 Meeting started Mon May 10 13:02:19 2021 UTC. 13:02:19 This meeting is logged and archived in a public location. 13:02:19 The chair is gicmo. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:02:19 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:02:19 The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora_-_2021-05-10' 13:02:23 #meetingname neurofedora 13:02:23 The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora' 13:03:05 #chair achilleas FranciscoD bittin b0 iztokf[m] omnidapps zodbot 13:03:05 Current chairs: FranciscoD achilleas b0 bittin gicmo iztokf[m] omnidapps zodbot 13:03:15 forgot anyone? (surely did) 13:03:22 major's not on irc/matrix 13:03:44 zbyszek ? 13:03:44 ok, cool 13:03:48 ah sure! 13:03:54 #chair zbyszek 13:03:54 Current chairs: FranciscoD achilleas b0 bittin gicmo iztokf[m] omnidapps zbyszek zodbot 13:04:02 #topic Agenda 13:04:15 FranciscoD still waiting for the update to finish :'( 13:04:23 https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/neurofedora@lists.fedoraproject.org/thread/VZZJ72M7RD2FSSOOF76SCF26BNGUMFTM/ 13:04:43 Agenda taken from: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2021/05/10/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-10-may-1300-utc.html 13:04:47 @MeWjOr: you could probably join via matrix on your phone or something? I think there's an element app etc? 13:04:54 #info New introductions and roll call 13:04:59 #info Tasks from last week's meeting 13:05:02 #info Open Pagure tickets 13:05:06 #info Packages health check 13:05:10 #info Open package reviews check 13:05:15 #info CompNeuro lab compose check for F34/F35 13:05:21 #info Neuroscience query of the week 13:05:23 ++ the blog, ML etc. all have the same content. We just put it in different places to increase visibilty 13:05:27 #info Next meeting day/chair 13:05:31 Luna Jernberg (bittin) 30 year old Linux entusiast and autistic, so decided to join and check out this meeting as as a guest 13:05:31 #info Open floor 13:05:53 #topic New intrductions and roll call 13:05:57 Luna Jernberg (bittin) 30 year old Linux entusiast and autistic, so decided to join and check out this meeting as as a guest 13:06:03 .hello gicmo 13:06:04 gicmo: gicmo 'Christian Kellner' 13:06:11 .hello ankursinha 13:06:13 FranciscoD: ankursinha 'Ankur Sinha' 13:06:15 .hello akoutsou 13:06:16 achilleas: akoutsou 'Achilleas Koutsou' 13:06:23 .hello major 13:06:23 FranciscoD: major 'Aniket Pradhan' 13:06:33 Just arrived :D 13:06:37 ah :D 13:06:40 #chair MeWjOr 13:06:40 Current chairs: FranciscoD MeWjOr achilleas b0 bittin gicmo iztokf[m] omnidapps zbyszek zodbot 13:07:01 FranciscoD: you were milli-seconds faster with the chair addition ;) 13:07:06 XD 13:07:13 hehe 13:07:15 gicmo: got a new mechanical keyboard, maybe that's why :P 13:07:23 FranciscoD: nice! 13:07:37 ok, that is everyone? 13:07:46 I guess bittin does not have an FAS account yet? 13:07:50 i do 13:08:15 bittin: you can use ".hello as i help out with some swedish translation and Q&A stuff in Fedora, but saw this on the ML and had some time to spare 13:08:26 it's just a convenience function :) 13:08:27 .hello bittin 13:08:28 bittin: bittin 'Luna Jernberg' 13:08:29 bittin: very cool! 13:08:30 ah :) 13:08:31 bittin++ 13:08:31 FranciscoD: Karma for bittin changed to 4 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:08:33 did not know that 13:08:36 bittin++ 13:08:36 gicmo: Karma for bittin changed to 5 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:08:39 thanks gicmo and FranciscoD 13:08:40 bittin++ 13:08:40 MeWjOr: Karma for bittin changed to 6 (for the current release cycle): https://badges.fedoraproject.org/tags/cookie/any 13:08:45 :D 13:08:51 nothing better than fresh cookies ;) 13:08:55 heh 13:08:56 nom nom 13:09:02 ok, I guess we can move on 13:09:04 #topic Task from last meeting 13:09:09 oh, we have a few 13:09:40 like "MeWjOr file issue upstream, skip tests in spec and continue with snakemake package" 13:10:10 I started out today on the tests, pushed a new review request for python-pulp 13:10:16 * FranciscoD saw that 13:10:26 I'll see if I can review it unless someone else takes it up 13:10:48 gicmo: I guess best to re-action that to MeWjOr ? 13:10:55 *nods* 13:11:01 pagure.issue.tag.added -- major tagged ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#424: S: In review https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/424 13:11:02 pagure.issue.tag.removed -- major removed the S: Needs packaging tags from ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#424 https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/424 13:11:09 #action MeWjOr file issue upstream, skip tests in spec and continue with snakemake package 13:11:09 MeWjOr: snakemake turned out to be quite a packaging project.. 13:11:21 ++ 13:11:37 #action MeWjOr continue with snakemake package 13:11:42 ++ 13:12:16 ok, next 13:12:19 "FranciscoD file new issue requesting infra to disable Koschei automatic package list sync if we don't hear back on current issue" 13:12:28 Done, they've disabled it now 13:12:35 ok coole 13:12:42 I'll periodically update the list manually 13:13:02 all of us are managers of the neuro-sig group on Koschei, so feel free to add your packages yourself too please 13:13:04 sounds like work, but cool ;) 13:13:28 #info FranciscoD file new issue requesting infra to disable Koschei automatic package list sync if we don't hear back on current issue: DONE 13:13:51 gicmo: yeh, but no other workaround until the sync script is updated :/ 13:14:04 yeah, fair enough :/ 13:14:10 Next task was "FranciscoD update package list file" 13:14:18 Did that too 13:14:18 I guess you said you did that 13:14:25 #info FranciscoD update package list file: DONE 13:14:28 yeh, I'll check periodically and keep updating it 13:14:37 FranciscoD ask iztokf[m] about closing niaclass and sport-activities-features review tickets ? 13:14:44 #info Our package list: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/blob/main/f/package-list/list.txt 13:15:02 bittin: exactly, that was the next one ;) 13:15:14 this is done too, we closed the two reviews also (probably the next task in the queue) 13:15:30 #info FranciscoD ask iztokf[m] about closing niaclass and sport-activities-features review tickets: DONE 13:15:40 bittin: best to let gicmo go through the list, can get a bit confusing if multiple people do it :) 13:15:45 sure 13:15:45 "FranciscoD close niaclass and sport-activities-features bugs" 13:16:04 gicmo: yeh, that one is done too :D 13:16:11 #info FranciscoD close niaclass and sport-activities-features bugs: DONE 13:16:22 #info FranciscoD send out logs etc.: DONE 13:16:26 because I saw that ;` 13:16:30 :D 13:16:40 :D 13:16:55 FranciscoD: thanks for all the work there ;) 13:17:06 no worries, always hth :) 13:17:09 ok, the last task is everyone to check the compose 13:17:22 which I think we even have an action item for, technically, no? 13:17:30 but I glanced and it seems all ok 13:17:47 Yeh, we could take a quick peek in the meeting topic. I think it's fixed now. 13:18:12 "Fedora-Comp_Neuro-Live-Rawhide-20210505.n.0" was the first to be green 13:18:17 and is green since 13:18:31 awesome :) 13:18:35 thats good :) 13:18:50 #info everyone check compose at next meeting and poke networkx/scikit-image maintainers to fix FTI issues if necessary: DONE 13:18:56 lots of time for F35 though; I'm sure we'll have some ups and downs before then 13:19:08 oh yeah 13:19:11 heh yeah 19th October so still a couple of months 13:19:25 alright, I think that is it for tasks, unless I overlook one 13:19:50 #topic Open Pagure tickets 13:20:16 #info Please open tickets that you think need to be discussed in meetings on our Pagure instance here: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting 13:20:22 (shamless c&p) 13:20:35 gicmo: we all c&p XD 13:21:01 ok, pagure is slow (as usually) 13:21:23 Ah, there is basically just the one from last time: 13:21:25 #info Issue #421: Use pluto instead of venus for planets? https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/421 13:21:36 omnidapps: you there? this still WIP? 13:22:13 ah its for blog planets and not actually space planets 13:22:14 :p 13:22:21 I see no updates, so I assume this is still ongoing 13:22:21 pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#421: "Use pluto instead of venus for planets?" https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/421#comment-731637 13:22:25 bittin: haha yeah 13:22:45 gicmo: omnidapps had provided an update earlier today over Telegram, I've just pasted it as a comment to the ticket now 13:22:57 cool 13:23:01 MeWjOr: how's this going? You seem to have pluto set up? 13:23:19 yep, omnidapps had an issue installing pluto via gem, but other than that it works fine 13:23:35 OK, cool 13:23:40 very nice 13:23:43 how is the templating to be done? 13:23:51 We have the basic setup ready, but we probably still need to work on the theming of the planet 13:24:09 yeh, does it use a framework for the theme? 13:24:20 I don't know what ruby has, never used jekyll 13:24:20 I'll probably sit one day and manually create a template based on my design knowledge 13:24:27 python's generally jinja based 13:24:39 Doesn't use jekyll from what I recall, but simple HTML syntax 13:25:03 If pluto is not a necessity, can we rather move to a python based planet aggregator? 13:25:17 That would be more simple to use and configure in my opinion 13:25:18 MeWjOr: you can see the theme we use here: https://github.com/sanjayankur31/venus/tree/69724673c361e34e9b10dfb20ade0892eaf86850/themes 13:25:32 MeWjOr: well only venus is python based, and that's no longer maintained 13:25:36 hence the move to pluto 13:25:52 I haven't found a Python re-write of venus 13:26:05 FranciscoD, yes, we'll need to use the venus' theme and re-write it for pluto... they both don't use similar syntax 13:26:15 you probably are more likely to find a re-write in rust these days :P 13:26:15 I guess someone could work on updating it for py3 etc, but I cannot estimate how much time we will need for that 13:27:20 pagure.issue.comment.added -- ankursinha commented on ticket neuro-sig/NeuroFedora#421: "Use pluto instead of venus for planets?" https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/421#comment-731638 13:27:23 gicmo: XD 13:27:41 I haven't boarded the rust train yet, but it's on my list of todos 13:28:01 MeWjOr: omnidapps : I dropped a comment there so you know where to find the venus neurofedora themes 13:28:05 I have started looking, but not used it for something serious yet 13:28:28 gicmo, most are not maintained from what I can see :'( 13:28:40 FranciscoD, thanks! We'll get working on it 13:28:44 too bad, so I guess best choice still is venus then 13:28:48 aehh 13:28:49 pluto 13:28:56 Yeh, looks like it 13:29:04 at least it's used by other FOSS communities 13:29:31 ok, cool, lets move on 13:29:35 #topic Packages health check 13:29:41 #info Please refer to our packager dashboard here: https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/neuro-sig 13:30:07 Still a few FTBFS, lots for F32 13:30:16 (which I guess is now EOL and we dont care) 13:30:17 @fc32eol 13:30:24 ah, no fedbot here 13:30:33 20th May 13:30:41 25th even 13:30:47 thanks bittin 13:30:52 I live in the future! 13:31:02 ok, but as good as EOL XD 13:31:04 gicmo: I guess we can ignore F32 now and use our resources on F33+ 13:31:08 +1 13:31:12 I agree 13:31:19 +1 13:31:36 FC32 EOLs in 2 weeks 13:31:38 upgrades work very well nowadays, so we'll just ask folks to update to a supported release 13:31:58 COPASI seems to be FTBFS on s390x 13:32:38 updated my google calender with the correct dates now :p 13:32:45 oh, due to a dependency I think 13:33:13 Someone wants dcmtk for EPEL 7(!) 13:33:48 saggiter is actively looking after their packages, so COPASI etc. will be fixed soom I'm sure 13:34:06 oh, the bug even has repo with the changes to make it work on EPEL 7 13:34:11 FranciscoD: good to know 13:34:18 oo, my standard response is "feel free to maintain it, but we're not supporting EPEL at the mo" 13:35:17 gicmo: is there a bug for dcmtk requesting epel builds? 13:35:20 * FranciscoD can't find it 13:35:25 FranciscoD: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1956962 13:35:26 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1956962 13:35:35 I am too slow today 13:36:20 gicmo: bittin : but the dcmtk component exists for epel already.. 13:36:22 no builds? 13:36:39 Ah, I didn't see it because i've unchecked epel in the dashboard XD 13:36:48 haha 13:37:01 I can comment there asking them to maintain it for epel if they wish? 13:37:05 seems to be in Epel 8 but needs some small fixes in Epel 7 13:37:10 if i understood the comment correctly 13:37:39 FranciscoD: I dont see an epel7 branch 13:37:46 FranciscoD: that would be awesome 13:37:59 hrm, maybe bugzilla just adds them for all components 13:38:02 gicmo: please action me 13:38:09 I know we arent' maintaining stuff for epel 13:38:13 dunno if igor is either 13:38:20 and mrceresa is inactive from what I know 13:38:45 #action FranciscoD ask Troels Arvin on https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1956962 to maintain the EPEL7 port of dcmtk since they requested it 13:39:41 All other things on the dashboard are older, anything specific anyone wants to discuss? 13:40:23 ah, python-fsleyes-1.0.5 is available is new 13:40:46 gicmo: can't be updated yet---needs newer version of wxwidgets or something 13:40:53 well, it is also older, just keep getting newer releases 13:41:10 ok, cool 13:41:18 I think if nobody has anything we can move on 13:41:25 I note that we're going to probably lose more Java packages (jlems etc.)---since more java packages are now unmaintained 13:41:46 also for libsbml, which will break moose too 13:41:53 #info more javapackages is unmaintained so might be lost jlems & libsml 13:42:02 :/ 13:42:05 zbyszek: any thoughts on libsbml running into trouble because of java dep hell? 13:42:07 a bit sad 13:42:31 Yeh, we'll just keep moving them to the copr and building them there however we can. There's not much else we can do. 13:42:54 we already lost hdfview and a few others 13:43:14 hdfview is a bummer 13:43:31 but yeah, not much we can do 13:43:42 biber is retired too, will affect some packages 13:43:44 sheesh 13:43:58 orphaned rather: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/biber 13:44:23 * FranciscoD adds to task list 13:44:29 I'll see if we can save them 13:45:07 that be cool 13:45:37 it seems like they are active upstream: https://github.com/plk/biber 13:45:43 and there is a new release 2.16 13:46:20 yeh, maybe not trivial to maintain perhaps? I'll take a look and see how it goes 13:46:48 Seems to be tied to biblatex too: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/biber/blob/rawhide/f/biber.spec#_121 13:47:09 but maybe updating is easy enough 13:47:40 anything else? 13:47:53 no, let's leave it at that this time---already quite a bit of work XD 13:48:00 hehe yeah 13:48:09 #topic Open package reviews check 13:48:14 #info NeuroFedora tracker bug is here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro 13:48:58 Bug 1958914 - Review Request: python-PuLP - A python Linear Programming API 13:49:01 https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1958914 13:49:03 that is new 13:49:24 "PuLP can generate MPS or LP files and call GLPK, COIN-OR CLP/CBC, CPLEX, GUROBI, MOSEK, XPRESS, CHOCO, MIPCL, SCIP to solve linear problems." 13:49:32 MeWjOr: just filed that one recently 13:49:34 how many acronyms can one use in one sentence 13:49:35 yep 13:49:45 MeWjOr: best to request a review swap on -devel perhaps? 13:50:08 well, I know only 2-3 of those acronyms :P 13:50:10 that way we keep the larger community involved (and get more done too :D) 13:50:17 sure, will do a review swap on -devel 13:50:30 ++ 13:50:39 ++ 13:50:41 #action MeWjOr to ask for a review swap for PuLP on -devel 13:51:09 I was confused for a second because pulp is also the content repo project 13:51:16 https://pulpproject.org 13:51:38 everything else seems to be assigned 13:52:18 ok, moving on 13:52:30 #topic CompNeuroFedora lab image compose check 13:52:41 #info Compose status here: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691 13:52:53 everything green since 5th May 13:52:57 As said before, all green! 13:53:00 yeah! 13:53:35 #action Neuroscience query of the week 13:53:52 awesome :D 13:54:16 I'd noted a few in the reading-list 13:54:19 https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/318 13:54:23 (scroll to the end please) 13:54:37 *scrolls* 13:55:01 Let me re-post for convenience 13:55:03 Brainhack: Developing a culture of open, inclusive, community-driven neuroscience: Neuron 13:55:08 https://www.cell.com/neuron/fulltext/S0896-6273(21)00231-2 13:55:23 and 13:55:25 Producing Open Source Software 13:55:29 https://producingoss.com/ 13:55:37 oh, I heared about the latter 13:55:38 that Producting OSS looks interesting :) 13:55:45 *producing 13:55:50 Yeh: The latter is a classic apparently. I only ran into it recently 13:56:07 *bookmarks to read later* 13:56:25 https://brainhack.org/ 13:56:50 I took part in one of those some time ago 13:56:53 that was cool 13:56:55 ah, nice 13:57:14 yeh, I'm going to see if we can perhaps do something NeuroFedora related there 13:57:33 that be cool! 13:58:10 Yeh. At the moment, we've got the CNS*2021 deadline on 15th 13:58:17 Gotta submit an abstract for a "showcase" 13:58:32 https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/444 13:58:40 maybe after that, if time permits 13:59:02 *looks for what a showcase is* 13:59:16 just a short 30 minute demo I guess 13:59:27 https://www.cnsorg.org/cns-2021-call-for-tutorials 14:00:31 ahh nice, 30 minutes seems like a good time format 14:01:22 Yeh 14:01:36 #info Reading list is at https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/318 14:01:46 ok, anything else? 14:02:25 I think we covered everything 14:02:28 right on time too :) 14:02:33 #topic Next meeting day/chair 14:02:54 bittin: @MeWjOr ^ ? 14:02:55 ok, who wants to chair next meeting, and when? I guess meeting at same time (1300 UTC) in 2 weeks (24th May) 14:03:08 +1 for same time in 2 weeks 14:03:26 +1 14:03:27 bittin seems to be good at it :D 14:03:33 :D 14:03:36 Sorry lost connection on my computer 14:03:50 I'm always happy to chair, but good to take turns 14:03:55 Sure is bittin chairing the next meeting? 14:04:09 well i have time, so i can try 14:04:18 yay! cool! 14:04:25 awesome, thanks bittin 14:04:25 Rachitt Shah has left the Telegram Group. 14:04:25 Great! 14:04:39 Dibs on the next to next meeting :) 14:04:39 #info bittin to chair next meeting 14:04:47 you are better at writing the agenda topics then me however 14:04:52 #agreed Next meeting at same time (1300 UTC) in 2 weeks (24th May) 14:05:00 bittin: I'll send out the reminder etc. no worries 14:05:04 bittin: I just c&p'ed them from the last meeting logs ;P 14:05:11 #action gicmo send out logs etc. 14:05:18 FranciscoD: gicmo: perfect thanks :) 14:05:23 ok, cool I think we are DONE 14:05:28 bittin: the agenda rarely changes. It's here in our docs: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/neurofedora/communicating/#_open_meetings 14:05:40 3..2..1.. final comments? 14:05:56 if not, thanks everyone! 14:05:57 #endmeeting