13:03:06 <FranciscoD_> #startmeeting NeuroFedora 2022-06-06
13:03:06 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun  6 13:03:06 2022 UTC.
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13:03:16 <FranciscoD_> #meetingname neurofedora
13:03:16 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'neurofedora'
13:03:35 <davdunc> .hello2
13:03:36 <zodbot> davdunc: davdunc 'David Duncan' <davdunc@amazon.com>
13:03:58 <FranciscoD_> #chair major9989 vanessa_kris shaane[m] davdunc
13:03:58 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD_ davdunc major9989 shaane[m] vanessa_kris
13:04:08 <musicinmybrain> Good morning! I’m actually at the keyboard for the time being…
13:04:08 <FranciscoD_> hi davdunc , thanks for coming, hope all is well :)
13:04:20 <FranciscoD_> #chair musicinmybrain
13:04:20 <zodbot> Current chairs: FranciscoD_ davdunc major9989 musicinmybrain shaane[m] vanessa_kris
13:04:26 <davdunc> doing great! hope the same for you FranciscoD_
13:04:31 <FranciscoD_> hi musicinmybrain , great to have you here :)
13:04:42 <FranciscoD_> #topic Agenda
13:04:47 <FranciscoD_> A quick run-through of our usual agenda for today:
13:04:55 <FranciscoD_> #info Introductions/Roll call
13:05:03 <FranciscoD_> #info tasks from last meeting
13:05:08 <FranciscoD_> #info Open pagure tickets
13:05:20 <FranciscoD_> #info Packages health check
13:05:23 <FranciscoD_> #info Open reviews check
13:05:35 <FranciscoD_> #info Comp neuro lab image compose check
13:05:44 <FranciscoD_> #info Neuroscience query of the week
13:05:48 <FranciscoD_> #info Next meeting day/chair
13:05:51 <FranciscoD_> #info Open floor
13:05:57 <FranciscoD_> #topic Introductions and roll call
13:06:35 <FranciscoD_> We just wait a few minutes here for folks to join in, before proceeding to the next topics
13:07:41 <FranciscoD_> davdunc: yes, all good here too, thanks. Been working on organising a set of free online satellite tutorials at the end of june (will share more info once we get the meeting going :) )
13:08:03 <davdunc> that sounds marvelous!
13:08:05 <FranciscoD_> I think there are a few announcements in the meantime, let me post those while we wait
13:08:27 <FranciscoD_> #info Please fill in the Fedora community contributor survey: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/we-want-to-hear-from-you-take-the-fedora-annual-contributor-survey-for-2022/
13:08:50 <FranciscoD_> #info Fedora 36 elections are now open: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/f36-elections-voting-now-open/
13:09:23 <FranciscoD_> #info musicinmybrain: is running for FESCo, so please vote for them! 👏
13:09:43 <davdunc> :) nice!
13:10:11 <FranciscoD_> #info FESCo is the main engineering body in the community, you can read more about them here: https://docs.fedoraproject.org/en-US/fesco/
13:10:53 <FranciscoD_> #info Interviews with all candidates are on the community blog, for example: https://communityblog.fedoraproject.org/fesco-election-interview-with-benjamin-beasley/
13:11:16 <musicinmybrain> Thanks, FranciscoD_! To be honest, I’m pretty happy with all of the FESCo candidates, so I don’t think we can go wrong here.
13:12:09 <FranciscoD_> Yeh, I always find it very hard to spread my votes. Such good candidates :)
13:12:57 <FranciscoD_> I think we can proceed with the agenda items now
13:13:16 <FranciscoD_> Of course, if there are any other community announcements, please do just jump in and info them for the logs
13:13:36 <FranciscoD_> #topic Tasks from last meeting
13:13:38 <FranciscoD_> '
13:13:48 <FranciscoD_> #info Minutes from the last meeting are here: https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/fedora-neuro/2022-05-09/neurofedora.2022-05-09-13.00.html
13:14:06 <FranciscoD_> If you scroll to the bottom of the page, you will see the "action items" section
13:14:19 <FranciscoD_> 1: FranciscoD email hardeborlaa and CC vanessa
13:14:23 <vanessa_kris[m]> Hi everyone!🙋‍♀️
13:14:36 <FranciscoD_> vanessa_kris: I *think* I did this---do you remember? Was it about a package review?
13:15:09 <FranciscoD_> vanessa_kris: o/ how are you doing? Great to have you here (as always :))
13:15:41 <FranciscoD_> I think pyabf was waiting on hardeborlaa, but was automatically reset---so I've taken it over and will review it instead
13:16:05 <FranciscoD_> https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2050281#c6
13:16:47 <FranciscoD_> vanessa_kris: are you waiting on an other reviewers (apart from NEAT, which I think is almost complete---I just need to do a last check and update the flag there)
13:17:24 <vanessa_kris[m]> FranciscoD_: Yeah, I haven’t been able to get to her.
13:18:48 <FranciscoD_> OK, no worries. They're probably busy with lots of other things. The system will automatically unassign them and then others can take on their reviews as required
13:19:00 <FranciscoD_> #info FranciscoD email hardeborlaa and CC vanessa: DONE
13:19:04 <vanessa_kris[m]> FranciscoD_: Just NEAT
13:19:21 <FranciscoD_> #info FranciscoD close python-sumatra review: DONE (sumatra upstream is inactive)
13:19:34 <FranciscoD_> vanessa_kris[m]: OK, cool, I'll have that completed in the next couple of days
13:19:51 <FranciscoD_> #topic Open pagure tickets
13:20:08 <FranciscoD_> #info Any tickets tagged "next meeting" are discussed here: https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting
13:20:16 <vanessa_kris[m]> Alright
13:20:19 <FranciscoD_> We'll discuss the reading list in the query topic, though
13:20:23 <FranciscoD_> #info No pagure tickets to discuss
13:20:41 <FranciscoD_> #topic Package health check
13:21:01 <FranciscoD_> #info Please head over to the neuro-sig packager dashboard to get an overview of our packages and their statuses: https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?users=neuro-sig
13:22:30 <FranciscoD_> we tend to give FTBFS/FTI (fails to build from source, fails to install) bugs priority, followed by version updates and then new packages
13:22:52 <FranciscoD_> I think my priorities at the moment are fixing GENESIS, and arbor---both are WIP
13:24:49 <FranciscoD_> #info A couple of our python packages are dependent on python-cariosvg which has been orphaned, but not directly---hopefully that dependency chain will be fixed: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-cairosvg
13:26:50 <davdunc> do we know if anyone is picking up the cairosvg already ?
13:26:53 <FranciscoD_> #info Packages are in good health, with a few FTBFS/FTI bugs all assigned. Please take on any bugs that you have the time to work on, especially version updates
13:26:54 <FranciscoD_> #topic Open package reviews check
13:27:13 <FranciscoD_> it says Neal is interested in it, so I hope it'll get taken up
13:27:48 <FranciscoD_> maybe it's obsolete---it also says "do not use", so whatever depends on it will also hopefully drop the dependency, and that'll fix the full dependency chain
13:28:10 <davdunc> ah.
13:28:29 * FranciscoD_ uploaded an image: (20KiB) < https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/fedora.im/d39057f7f1f31d9f0bb1bb5f59e5a22bd98395bf/image.png >
13:29:13 <davdunc> I'll ask Neal about it.
13:29:33 <FranciscoD_> (not the clearest, but I think the dep chain is python-nbsphinx -> python-sphinx-contrib-svg2pdf-convert -> python-cairosvg
13:29:59 <FranciscoD_> that'll be great, thanks davdunc :)
13:30:23 <FranciscoD_> #info All reviews from the neuro-sig should "block" our tracker bug here: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro
13:30:34 <davdunc> we can call that an action and I'll report back on it next meeting.
13:30:47 <FranciscoD_> #info This ensures that all neuro-sig members are informed of a new package review ticket, and it helps us keep track of all our new package reviews
13:31:04 <FranciscoD_> #action davdunc ask Neal about python-cairosvg
13:31:10 <FranciscoD_> sounds good ^ :)
13:31:51 <FranciscoD_> #info To see neuro-sig reviews, head to the tracker bug, then on the right click "show advanced fields", and then look under the "depends on" bit
13:32:40 <FranciscoD_> vanessa_kris: looks like this one was reviewed, and you now need to proceed to the importing + building bit? https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2065923
13:33:21 <FranciscoD_> Here are the import instructions again (and I'll drop them on the bug too): https://pagure.io/fedora-docs/package-maintainer-docs/issue/56
13:34:23 <FranciscoD_> vanessa_kris: hold on, the bug is open but you have actually already built for rawhide from the looks of it
13:34:25 <vanessa_kris[m]> I thought I did that already though 🤔
13:34:36 <FranciscoD_> yeh, just saw that---the bug didn't autoclose though
13:34:55 <FranciscoD_> could you also build for F35 + F36 and push updates using bodhi---and if you mention the bug number there, it'll automatically get closed too?
13:35:26 <vanessa_kris[m]> Alright
13:35:57 <FranciscoD_> awesome, thanks
13:36:27 <FranciscoD_> #action vanessa_kris build ephyviewer for F35 + F36 and push updates to bodhi mentioning bug number (to auto-close bug)
13:36:34 <FranciscoD_> the other two bugs are both assigned to me for review, I'll complete them this week
13:36:47 <FranciscoD_> #action FranciscoD complete python-pyABF and python-neatdend reviews
13:38:33 <musicinmybrain> just a quick follow-up on the orphaned python-cairosvg: i think the main chain that affects neuro packages is python-nbsphinx → python-sphinxcontrib-svg2pdf → python-cairosvg
13:39:02 <musicinmybrain> from the devel mailing list conversation about it, the dependency from sphinxcontrib-svg2pdf is optional, and the maintainer will drop it if necessary
13:39:22 <FranciscoD_> ah, excellent, so we shouldn't need to do anything here then :)
13:39:30 <musicinmybrain> although neal did say he needed it cairosvg for buildbot, so he probably will pick it up
13:39:41 <musicinmybrain> worst case, we have to drop or patch some documentation subpackages
13:39:42 <davdunc> thanks musicinmybrain
13:40:01 <FranciscoD_> #info dependency from sphinxcontrib-svg2pdf to python-cairosvg is optional, and the maintainer will drop it if necessary (or neal will pick it up as a dep for buildbot)
13:40:18 <FranciscoD_> #info worst case, we have to drop or patch some documentation subpackages
13:40:35 <FranciscoD_> #topic Comp neuro lab image compose check
13:40:48 <FranciscoD_> #info The koji task for building the comp-neuro lab image is here: https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691
13:41:34 <FranciscoD_> #info Compose is currently failing, but for all images, so unlikely a comp-neuro specific issue: https://pagure.io/releng/failed-composes/issue/3638
13:41:40 <FranciscoD_> "doomed" means nothing built correctly :D
13:42:54 * FranciscoD_ sent a code block: https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/cb4b6d674051b2b82df80cac7a34d465e1de8342
13:43:06 <FranciscoD_> so something lorax related, and probably for the release engineering team to fix
13:43:23 <FranciscoD_> let's keep an eye on it---if it's still failing in the next meeting, we can take a deeper look
13:43:42 <FranciscoD_> #action neuro-sig keep eye on failing comp-neuro compose
13:44:50 <FranciscoD_> Also from the mock output:... (full message at https://libera.ems.host/_matrix/media/r0/download/libera.chat/debf8b3a399806ee4ab035aab08e33ad55a1edc3)
13:45:14 <FranciscoD_> #topic Neuroscience query of the week
13:45:38 <FranciscoD_> If you've read anything neurosciencey that you found interesting, please share it here---could be articles, conferences, anything at all really
13:46:04 <FranciscoD_> We had a few noted on the pagure reading-list ticket.
13:46:17 <FranciscoD_> #info Learning fast, and slow: https://arxiv.org/abs/2205.02075
13:46:35 <FranciscoD_> #info Tackling climate change with machine learning: https://dl.acm.org/doi/full/10.1145/3485128
13:47:29 <FranciscoD_> #info The INCF/OCNS is doing ~15 free online tutorials at the end of June:  https://ocns.github.io/SoftwareWG/pages/software-wg-satellite-tutorials-at-cns-2022.html
13:47:46 <FranciscoD_> davdunc: ^
13:48:12 <FranciscoD_> I'm one of the organisers, and we'll publish the schedule this week. Lots of great tools there
13:48:45 <davdunc> exciting to see! I am looking forward to working through it!
13:49:08 <FranciscoD_> #info The INCF/OCNS software WG is also free/open to everyone to join, so please join us if you'd like to participate in the community: https://ocns.github.io/SoftwareWG/pages/members.html
13:49:33 <FranciscoD_> davdunc: I'll hopefully have the schedule and registration information out on all the mailing lists before the end of the week :)
13:49:53 <davdunc> excellent.
13:50:12 <FranciscoD_> I'll quickly go through our neuroscience planets to see if there's anything interesting there:
13:50:12 <FranciscoD_> https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/planet-neuroscientists/
13:51:17 <FranciscoD_> #info Glial cells may take on big jobs in unexpected parts of the body: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/glia-nerve-cells-brain-body-spleen-heart-lungs
13:52:14 <FranciscoD_> Glia are the non-neuronal cells in the brain. So they don't "spike" but they carry out lots of other functions and their importance is increasing as more and more studies are done on them.
13:52:40 <FranciscoD_> #info The world’s fastest supercomputer just broke the exascale barrier: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/supercomputer-exascale-frontier-speed-record-computing-calculations
13:53:05 <FranciscoD_> there is quite a bit more, so please take a quick look :)
13:53:25 <FranciscoD_> #topic Next meeting day, chair
13:53:42 <FranciscoD_> Same time in 2 weeks? 1300 UTC on 20th June?
13:54:03 <NishantMishra[m]> Hi
13:54:09 <NishantMishra[m]> O/
13:54:12 <FranciscoD_> I'll be on leave/holiday so I won't be around all the time, but I'll attend the meeting (and am happy to chair it too, unless anyone else wants to?)
13:54:19 <FranciscoD_> Hi Nishant Mishra , great to have you here
13:54:25 <NishantMishra[m]> Interesting thing about exascale
13:54:33 <FranciscoD_> we're just finishing unfortunately, but you can go through the logs to see what was discussed :)
13:54:50 <NishantMishra[m]> Yes one thing which caught my eyes was the Super Computer
13:54:54 * davdunc FranciscoD_: if you are on leave, it behooves one of us to take over.
13:55:30 <FranciscoD_> davdunc: sure---always happy for us to rotate the meeting chair :)
13:55:43 <NishantMishra[m]> Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD@fedora): Nueroscience helps me to understand as I am undergoing Medicinal treatment of brain
13:55:45 * davdunc FranciscoD_: I can run the meeting in your absence next week if nobody else is available to chair.
13:56:05 <FranciscoD_> that sounds great davdunc , thanks very much
13:56:32 <FranciscoD_> #action davdunc to chair next meeting (unless someone else wants to take over) on 1300 UTC on June 20th
13:56:51 <davdunc> okay. you have me for next week for sure!
13:56:57 <FranciscoD_> I'll definitely be around---since the tutorials are the week right after my leave, I wont' be able to quite stay away from my computer all the time :)
13:57:19 <FranciscoD_> davdunc: it'll be in 2 weeks, on the 20th. Does that work for you?
13:57:35 <davdunc> understood. If you can't stay away, I'll happily take direction while I handle it.
13:57:59 <davdunc> yes. it's perfect.
13:58:12 <FranciscoD_> awesome, thanks
13:58:25 <FranciscoD_> that's great to hear Nishant Mishra ---hope it's all going well :)
13:58:28 <FranciscoD_> #topic Open floor
13:58:41 <FranciscoD_> we've got 2 minutes left for anything else, before we close on the hour mark :)
13:58:55 <FranciscoD_> #action FranciscoD send out logs
13:59:06 <FranciscoD_> #action FranciscoD write up next meeting announcement blog post
14:01:08 <FranciscoD_> Thanks very much for coming everyone. If there's anything at all we can help with, please ping us on any of the channels :)
14:01:16 <FranciscoD_> Have a good week, and we'll meet again in ~2 weeks :)
14:01:17 <FranciscoD_> #endmeeting
14:01:23 <davdunc> Thanks FranciscoD_
14:01:36 <davdunc> FranciscoD_++
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14:16:09 <FranciscoD_> #endmeeting