2025-01-27 13:01:41 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2025-01-27
2025-01-27 13:01:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-01-27 13:01:41 UTC
2025-01-27 13:01:42 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'NeuroFedora - 2025-01-27'
2025-01-27 13:01:52 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !meetingname neurofedora
2025-01-27 13:01:53 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now neurofedora
2025-01-27 13:01:57 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2025/01/27/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-27-january-2025-1300-utc.html
2025-01-27 13:02:05 <@music:fedora.im> !hello
2025-01-27 13:02:07 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Benjamin Beasley (music) - he / him / his
2025-01-27 13:02:10 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Intros and roll call
2025-01-27 13:02:12 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !hello
2025-01-27 13:02:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Ankur Sinha (ankursinha) - he / him / his
2025-01-27 13:02:20 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> hi music , happy new year! :D
2025-01-27 13:02:32 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Sorry, I've been a bit busy over new year. Finally back home and getting into things.
2025-01-27 13:02:54 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !group members neuro-sig
2025-01-27 13:02:56 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of neuro-sig: Ali Erdinc Koroglu, alciregi, Ankur Sinha, bt0dotninja, fangq, Sandro ., Igor Raits, ilgrad, iztokf, lbazan, Aniket Pradhan, mhough, Benjamin Beasley, sagitter, sergiopr, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2025-01-27 13:03:28 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Luis Bazan: bt0dotninja Alessio 
2025-01-27 13:03:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !hi
2025-01-27 13:03:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Neal Gompa (ngompa) - he / him / his
2025-01-27 13:06:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Hey folks, I'm here because I need to talk to y'all about image deliverables owned by some of you
2025-01-27 13:07:30 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD@fedora) (he/him/his) and a few others of you own most of the scientific-oriented labs and I need to discuss what we should do about them
2025-01-27 13:07:30 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Cool, we could start with that if you'd like and move on to our agenda after
2025-01-27 13:07:44 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> that'd be great
2025-01-27 13:07:47 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I'm the primary PoC for the comp-neuro image, yeh
2025-01-27 13:08:02 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you are also the remaining one for Fedora Scientific and Astronomy
2025-01-27 13:08:14 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I have failed to get in touch with everyone else
2025-01-27 13:08:39 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Oh? I shouldn't be---I must've taken them on temporarily, but if no one else has stepped up yet, they should be removed/retired
2025-01-27 13:08:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> your name is on the kickstarts
2025-01-27 13:09:18 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur remove his name from astro + scientific kickstart
2025-01-27 13:09:26 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I'm not maintaining them, sorry
2025-01-27 13:09:33 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah no worries
2025-01-27 13:09:56 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> basically, I don't know if you've seen the announcement from November about the retirement of ImageFactory?
2025-01-27 13:10:16 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm trying to clean up all the remaining usages of ImgFa
2025-01-27 13:10:20 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> *ImgFac
2025-01-27 13:10:42 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I did see something yeh, but I don't exactly recall if there was something I needed to do. Sorry
2025-01-27 13:11:30 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> https://pagure.io/fedora-kickstarts/blob/main/f/maintainers.toml -> I'm not listed for astronomy, and "scitech" is listed for scientific. 
2025-01-27 13:11:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> But anyway, what can we do to help?
2025-01-27 13:11:59 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I'm starting to wonder about that file :/
2025-01-27 13:12:03 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic ImageFactory retirement
2025-01-27 13:12:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> anyway, ImageFactory was principally used in Fedora to produce disk images
2025-01-27 13:12:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> container, vagrant, and cloud images
2025-01-27 13:12:35 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> as well as arm disk images
2025-01-27 13:13:34 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> so I've been trying to get all the groups who have such images to either a) tell me whether to drop their images or b) tell me they are okay with moving to kiwi to build their images
2025-01-27 13:14:16 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> We're OK to move to kiwi to build the images---assuming it spits out the same live image and all that?
2025-01-27 13:14:31 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yup
2025-01-27 13:14:34 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> we check our image every two weeks to make sure it builds, and we can continue doing that
2025-01-27 13:14:46 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> you can see an example of how this works with the PR I have for Fedora Scientific
2025-01-27 13:15:04 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/125
2025-01-27 13:15:50 <@salimma:fedora.im> !hi
2025-01-27 13:15:51 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Michel Lind (salimma) - he / him / his
2025-01-27 13:16:25 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Cool, looks simple enough. Should we open a PR porting over our image too?
2025-01-27 13:16:29 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> yeah
2025-01-27 13:16:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if you only have a live iso, there's obviously quite a bit less to do
2025-01-27 13:16:48 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur open PR porting over comp-neuro image to Kiwi
2025-01-27 13:17:21 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> but I know from davdunc and I talking that you planned on having cloud images eventually, so porting over can be helpful if you want to have arm images or cloud images later
2025-01-27 13:18:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Awesome, yeh, we did want to do that but didn't get around to doing it for some reason
2025-01-27 13:18:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> aside from the container, cloud, and vagrant images, the Fedora KDE images are now built using kiwi, so they're a pretty good example of how this is done minimally
2025-01-27 13:18:44 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> It was a while ago and I cant remember why anymore
2025-01-27 13:19:19 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Awesome, that's great. I'll port it over this week and open a PR
2025-01-27 13:19:41 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> I don't know what the compneuro image is composed of or based on, but if you're KDE based (or want to be :P), then feel free to reach out to the KDE SIG and we can help
2025-01-27 13:20:27 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Will do---for the moment, it was just based on the workstation. I don't know if we can be cheeky and have a KDE + a Workstation image :P
2025-01-27 13:20:39 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> lol
2025-01-27 13:20:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Workstation is also ported over to kiwi, though that hasn't been switched over yet
2025-01-27 13:21:05 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> tbh, I think the container is probably more of a usecase than the OS image because most people will/can install the individual packages over whatever environment they use
2025-01-27 13:21:22 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> Python Classroom is an example of a workstation lab, and Scientific is an example of a KDE lab
2025-01-27 13:21:52 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> !link https://pagure.io/fedora-kiwi-descriptions/pull-request/120
2025-01-27 13:22:57 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Thanks very much Conan Kudo , I'll get that done ASAP
2025-01-27 13:23:43 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> if you need any further assistance, feel free to reach out, I'm in the #kde:fedoraproject.org, #cloud:fedoraproject.org, and #devel:fedoraproject.org rooms :)
2025-01-27 13:23:54 <@conan_kudo:matrix.org> and the #releng:fedoraproject.org room too
2025-01-27 13:24:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Tasks from last meeting
2025-01-27 13:24:39 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://meetbot.fedoraproject.org/meeting_matrix_fedoraproject-org/2024-12-02/neurofedora.2024-12-02-13.02.html
2025-01-27 13:25:05 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> We have a few, but they're all WIPs, so I'll just reassign them
2025-01-27 13:25:19 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur re-check bokeh PR and update for new versions
2025-01-27 13:25:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I did have a PR, but it's so stale now it'll need to be re-done
2025-01-27 13:25:41 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-bokeh/pull-request/1
2025-01-27 13:26:11 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur merge dcmtk PR and build deps
2025-01-27 13:26:20 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> same for this: https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/dcmtk/pull-request/10
2025-01-27 13:26:45 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Penguinpee look at exdir and plotly
2025-01-27 13:27:00 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> and a general one:
2025-01-27 13:27:02 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !neuro-sig: look at packages that have new versions available, add packit configs where missing to help with future updates
2025-01-27 13:27:05 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action neuro-sig: look at packages that have new versions available, add packit configs where missing to help with future updates
2025-01-27 13:27:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Open pagure tickets
2025-01-27 13:27:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting
2025-01-27 13:28:10 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> The only one here worth looking at is this one:
2025-01-27 13:28:28 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/566 
2025-01-27 13:28:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://src.fedoraproject.org/rpms/python-steps/pull-request/7
2025-01-27 13:28:44 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> it took some work to get it to build, but it does build
2025-01-27 13:28:52 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> now the other bits of the spec need to be updated
2025-01-27 13:29:00 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur update steps PR 
2025-01-27 13:34:23 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Packages health check
2025-01-27 13:34:32 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?groups=neuro-sig
2025-01-27 13:35:03 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info A bunch of new FTBFS bugs
2025-01-27 13:35:12 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> from the mass-rebuild I guess
2025-01-27 13:36:06 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I'll start by looking at iv and neuron
2025-01-27 13:38:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> anything that depends on neuron, like blupyopt will also remain broken until that is fixed: eg https://kojipkgs.fedoraproject.org//work/tasks/2419/128072419/build.log
2025-01-27 13:38:37 <@music:fedora.im> I have knocked out several FTBFS, and will probably deal with several more. I have seen mostly a mix of GCC15/C23, numpy 2, and scikit-learn 1.6.0 as root casues. I looked at `python-pysdl2` and decided not to work on it. I just opened https://github.com/wmayner/pyemd/pull/69 upstream for `python-pyemd`, but I am not sure I want to dig into https://github.com/wmayner/pyemd/issues/68 or the crash in https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2333956#c2, so I’m probably going to move on from it too.
2025-01-27 13:39:03 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Sounds good music , thanks
2025-01-27 13:39:25 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I expect neuron will have a few gcc15/c23 related issues that may need sending upstream. I'll take a look
2025-01-27 13:40:36 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action neuro-sig: please prioritise FTBFS bugs
2025-01-27 13:41:07 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Open package reviews check
2025-01-27 13:41:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro
2025-01-27 13:42:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> (please click on the "show advanced fields" button on the right to see the bugs that "block" this tracker bug)
2025-01-27 13:43:02 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2323073 -> under review
2025-01-27 13:43:23 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2283111 -> ready for review
2025-01-27 13:44:46 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic CompNeuro lab compose status check
2025-01-27 13:44:58 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://koji.fedoraproject.org/koji/packageinfo?packageID=30691 -> all green, looks good
2025-01-27 13:45:15 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic (Neuro)science query of the week
2025-01-27 13:45:29 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info take a look at the planet: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/planet-neuroscientists/
2025-01-27 13:46:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Uh: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/danger-after-la-fires-debris-flows 
2025-01-27 13:48:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Job opening: https://blog.arxiv.org/2025/01/21/were-hiring-user-support-specialist/ 
2025-01-27 13:48:58 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> A very good read:
2025-01-27 13:49:00 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://www.womeninneuroscienceuk.org/post/bridging-the-gap-rachel-horne
2025-01-27 13:49:18 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Also:
2025-01-27 13:49:21 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://www.womeninneuroscienceuk.org/post/winuk-wrapped-2024-a-year-in-review
2025-01-27 13:49:41 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> and for those interested in machine learning and LLMs:
2025-01-27 13:49:44 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !link https://rodneybrooks.com/predictions-scorecard-2025-january-01/
2025-01-27 13:50:44 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> https://www.motherjones.com/politics/2025/01/los-angeles-fires-detox-wellness-influencers/ 
2025-01-27 13:51:55 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-01-27 13:52:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Next meeting in 2 weeks at same time (10 Feb, 1300 UTC)
2025-01-27 13:53:48 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I don't think we have anything else, I'll close the meeting in a couple of minutes if nothing else comes up
2025-01-27 13:57:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !endmeeting