2025-06-02 13:00:36 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2025-06-02
2025-06-02 13:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-06-02 13:00:36 UTC
2025-06-02 13:00:38 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'NeuroFedora - 2025-06-02'
2025-06-02 13:00:45 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !meetingname neurofedora
2025-06-02 13:00:45 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now neurofedora
2025-06-02 13:00:58 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Agenda for today: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2025/06/02/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-02-June-2025-1300-utc.html
2025-06-02 13:01:09 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic roll call
2025-06-02 13:01:11 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !hello
2025-06-02 13:01:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Ankur Sinha (ankursinha) - he / him / his
2025-06-02 13:01:50 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !group members neuro-sig 
2025-06-02 13:01:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of neuro-sig: Ali Erdinc Koroglu, Alessio C, Ankur Sinha, Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, fangq, Sandro ., Igor Raits, ilgrad, iztokf, lbazan, Aniket Pradhan, mhough, Benjamin Beasley, sagitter, sergiopr, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek
2025-06-02 13:03:20 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Tasks from last meeting
2025-06-02 13:03:54 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Ankur open PR porting over comp-neuro image to Kiwi -> obsolete, we're thinking of dropping the comp-neuro spin
2025-06-02 13:04:13 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Ankur fix NEURON FTBFS -> DONE (yay!)
2025-06-02 13:04:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Ankur re-check bokeh PR and update for new versions -> WIP
2025-06-02 13:04:49 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur re-check bokeh PR and update for new versions
2025-06-02 13:05:34 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Pagure tickets
2025-06-02 13:05:42 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting
2025-06-02 13:07:00 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/579 -> dropping the comp neuro spin: we're thinking of doing this as the normal use case for comp-neuro users is to install the spin of their choice and then install the necessary software on top. They're unlikely to use an image that has lots of software pre-installed, since they're unlikely to use all the installed tools
2025-06-02 13:08:02 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/579 -> assigned to Ankur
2025-06-02 13:08:14 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> No other tickets to be discussed
2025-06-02 13:08:52 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Package health check
2025-06-02 13:09:12 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?groups=neuro-sig -> Neuro-sig package dashboard
2025-06-02 13:13:39 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Now that vxl has been fixed, we can work on the ITK update:  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1340300 
2025-06-02 13:20:35 <@music:fedora.im> !hello
2025-06-02 13:20:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Benjamin Beasley (music) - he / him / his
2025-06-02 13:20:50 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info there are a few FTBFS possibly related to NEURON that need looking into---NEURON may need further patching, so this is high effort 
2025-06-02 13:20:54 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> music: hello!
2025-06-02 13:21:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> just taking a look at the package dashboard, please point out anything that you think we need to prioritise
2025-06-02 13:26:24 <@music:fedora.im> The Python 3.14 mass rebuild started today. We have a handful of known Python 3.14 issues that will therefore soon actually start to impact things. We will probably also be impacted by Python 3.14 issues in dependencies that we don’t know about yet. So if there is anything Python 3.14-related that *can* be fixed or worked around, this would be a good time to look at it.
2025-06-02 13:28:39 <@music:fedora.im> As a reminder, Python packages have a versioned Python dependency like `python(abi) = 3.13`, so anything that doesn’t get successfully rebuilt for Python 3.14 will start failing to install once the Python 3.14 side tag is merged.
2025-06-02 13:30:36 <@music:fedora.im> (Nuance: packages that failed to rebuild and have with no Python library dependencies might still be installable, with `python3.13` rather than `python3` satisfying the dependency, but they won’t be able to to depend on or be depended on by packages that did successfully rebuild for Python 3.14.)
2025-06-02 13:31:09 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Do we need to wait for the mass-rebuild btw?
2025-06-02 13:31:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> to fix things?
2025-06-02 13:31:41 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> *wait for it to finish
2025-06-02 13:32:55 <@music:fedora.im> For a package that hasn’t gotten the mass-rebuild commit yet, you can definitely just go ahead and fix it, as long as it doesn’t involve disruptive changes that need to be coordinated with other packages.
2025-06-02 13:33:55 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> OK cool, sounds good
2025-06-02 13:34:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Py3.14 mass re-build has begun, so we'll see issues relating to that soon. Please fix any packages that can be fixed before, but please do make sure to co-ordinate with the build (especially for packages that affect other packages)
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> ```
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im>     $ koji wait-repo f43-python --build <nvr> --request
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im>     $ fedpkg build --target=f43-python
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> on branch rawhide:
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> 
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> be able to build it in the side tag via:
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> If you'd like to build a package after we already rebuilt it, you should
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> ```
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> 
2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> For packages that already failed to rebuild… I have historically fixed those and rebuilt them into the `f43-python` side tag while it is still open, and it looks like the Python team have blessed that approach in general. From the `devel` list email about this:
2025-06-02 13:36:59 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info To build a package that has already been built as part of the side tag, please build it in the `f43-python` side tag: `fedpkg build --target=f43-python` and `koji wait-repo f43-python --build <nvr> --request`. Please see the -devel list e-mail about this: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/python-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/LHYTUTQDVNF2L5KM7BDGZRUJRWLGGICU/
2025-06-02 13:37:35 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info The packages seem fine otherwise. 
2025-06-02 13:38:04 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Open package reviews check
2025-06-02 13:38:16 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro -> all neuro-sig package review bugs block this bug
2025-06-02 13:39:28 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Two open tickets, please review if you can:  https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2283111 (astrovascpy) + https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2354221 (vispy)
2025-06-02 13:39:57 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic (neuro)science of the week
2025-06-02 13:40:47 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info planet-neuroscientists has lots of feeds from neuroscience blogs: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/planet-neuroscientists/ 
2025-06-02 13:43:32 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info: Vesicle cycle model reveals inner workings of brain synapse | Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology OIST: https://www.oist.jp/news-center/news/2025/5/29/vesicle-cycle-model-reveals-inner-workings-brain-synapse
2025-06-02 13:46:33 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info ‘Silent’ cells play a surprising role in how brains work: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/silent-cells-surprising-brains 
2025-06-02 13:47:50 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Learning in living mice defies classic synaptic plasticity rule | The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives: https://www.thetransmitter.org/learning/learning-in-living-mice-defies-classic-synaptic-plasticity-rule/
2025-06-02 13:48:03 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info The Brain Prize 2025 - The Oscars of Neuroscience: https://www.womeninneuroscienceuk.org/post/the-brain-prize-2025-the-oscars-of-neuroscience
2025-06-02 13:48:59 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> that's all I can find on the planet for today
2025-06-02 13:49:22 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting info
2025-06-02 13:49:35 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I guess in 2 weeks, same time, for a quick status check
2025-06-02 13:51:22 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Next meeting in 2 weeks at 1300 UTC
2025-06-02 13:51:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Open floor
2025-06-02 13:51:53 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> we have 9 minutes for anything else that wasn't discussed
2025-06-02 13:52:52 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Otherwise we'll close the meeting and take the remaining time for a break :)
2025-06-02 13:53:03 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> closing the meeting in 2 minutes unless something else comes up
2025-06-02 13:54:22 <@music:fedora.im> Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD@fedora) (he/him/his): You were planning to orphan `mcpanel` and `rtfilter` since they just supported `eegview`, which was orphaned for F42 – right? Might as well go ahead and do that.
2025-06-02 13:54:47 <@music:fedora.im> Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD@fedora) (he/him/his): You were planning to orphan `mcpanel` and `rtfilter` since they just supported `eegview`, which was retired for F42 – right? Might as well go ahead and do that.
2025-06-02 13:56:15 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Ah, yeh, I'll go do remove neuro-sig from them and orphan them now
2025-06-02 13:57:04 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur orphan mcpanel and rtfilter
2025-06-02 13:57:06 <@music:fedora.im> Another quick FYI, koji is super slow today and it’s being worked on. https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12587
2025-06-02 13:57:32 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> oo, that's unfortunate
2025-06-02 13:57:48 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Koji slow and being looked into: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12587
2025-06-02 14:00:35 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Right, let's close on the hour
2025-06-02 14:00:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !endmeeting