2025-06-02 13:00:36 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !startmeeting NeuroFedora - 2025-06-02 2025-06-02 13:00:37 <@meetbot:fedora.im> Meeting started at 2025-06-02 13:00:36 UTC 2025-06-02 13:00:38 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting name is 'NeuroFedora - 2025-06-02' 2025-06-02 13:00:45 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !meetingname neurofedora 2025-06-02 13:00:45 <@meetbot:fedora.im> The Meeting Name is now neurofedora 2025-06-02 13:00:58 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Agenda for today: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/2025/06/02/next-open-neurofedora-meeting-02-June-2025-1300-utc.html 2025-06-02 13:01:09 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic roll call 2025-06-02 13:01:11 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !hello 2025-06-02 13:01:13 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Ankur Sinha (ankursinha) - he / him / his 2025-06-02 13:01:50 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !group members neuro-sig 2025-06-02 13:01:53 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Members of neuro-sig: Ali Erdinc Koroglu, Alessio C, Ankur Sinha, Alberto Rodriguez Sanchez, fangq, Sandro ., Igor Raits, ilgrad, iztokf, lbazan, Aniket Pradhan, mhough, Benjamin Beasley, sagitter, sergiopr, Zbigniew Jędrzejewski-Szmek 2025-06-02 13:03:20 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Tasks from last meeting 2025-06-02 13:03:54 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Ankur open PR porting over comp-neuro image to Kiwi -> obsolete, we're thinking of dropping the comp-neuro spin 2025-06-02 13:04:13 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Ankur fix NEURON FTBFS -> DONE (yay!) 2025-06-02 13:04:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Ankur re-check bokeh PR and update for new versions -> WIP 2025-06-02 13:04:49 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur re-check bokeh PR and update for new versions 2025-06-02 13:05:34 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Pagure tickets 2025-06-02 13:05:42 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issues?status=Open&tags=S%3A+Next+meeting 2025-06-02 13:07:00 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/579 -> dropping the comp neuro spin: we're thinking of doing this as the normal use case for comp-neuro users is to install the spin of their choice and then install the necessary software on top. They're unlikely to use an image that has lots of software pre-installed, since they're unlikely to use all the installed tools 2025-06-02 13:08:02 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://pagure.io/neuro-sig/NeuroFedora/issue/579 -> assigned to Ankur 2025-06-02 13:08:14 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> No other tickets to be discussed 2025-06-02 13:08:52 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Package health check 2025-06-02 13:09:12 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://packager-dashboard.fedoraproject.org/dashboard?groups=neuro-sig -> Neuro-sig package dashboard 2025-06-02 13:13:39 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Now that vxl has been fixed, we can work on the ITK update: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1340300 2025-06-02 13:20:35 <@music:fedora.im> !hello 2025-06-02 13:20:37 <@zodbot:fedora.im> Benjamin Beasley (music) - he / him / his 2025-06-02 13:20:50 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info there are a few FTBFS possibly related to NEURON that need looking into---NEURON may need further patching, so this is high effort 2025-06-02 13:20:54 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> music: hello! 2025-06-02 13:21:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> just taking a look at the package dashboard, please point out anything that you think we need to prioritise 2025-06-02 13:26:24 <@music:fedora.im> The Python 3.14 mass rebuild started today. We have a handful of known Python 3.14 issues that will therefore soon actually start to impact things. We will probably also be impacted by Python 3.14 issues in dependencies that we don’t know about yet. So if there is anything Python 3.14-related that *can* be fixed or worked around, this would be a good time to look at it. 2025-06-02 13:28:39 <@music:fedora.im> As a reminder, Python packages have a versioned Python dependency like `python(abi) = 3.13`, so anything that doesn’t get successfully rebuilt for Python 3.14 will start failing to install once the Python 3.14 side tag is merged. 2025-06-02 13:30:36 <@music:fedora.im> (Nuance: packages that failed to rebuild and have with no Python library dependencies might still be installable, with `python3.13` rather than `python3` satisfying the dependency, but they won’t be able to to depend on or be depended on by packages that did successfully rebuild for Python 3.14.) 2025-06-02 13:31:09 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Do we need to wait for the mass-rebuild btw? 2025-06-02 13:31:24 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> to fix things? 2025-06-02 13:31:41 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> *wait for it to finish 2025-06-02 13:32:55 <@music:fedora.im> For a package that hasn’t gotten the mass-rebuild commit yet, you can definitely just go ahead and fix it, as long as it doesn’t involve disruptive changes that need to be coordinated with other packages. 2025-06-02 13:33:55 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> OK cool, sounds good 2025-06-02 13:34:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Py3.14 mass re-build has begun, so we'll see issues relating to that soon. Please fix any packages that can be fixed before, but please do make sure to co-ordinate with the build (especially for packages that affect other packages) 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> ``` 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> $ koji wait-repo f43-python --build --request 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> $ fedpkg build --target=f43-python 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> on branch rawhide: 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> be able to build it in the side tag via: 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> If you'd like to build a package after we already rebuilt it, you should 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> ``` 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> 2025-06-02 13:35:22 <@music:fedora.im> For packages that already failed to rebuild… I have historically fixed those and rebuilt them into the `f43-python` side tag while it is still open, and it looks like the Python team have blessed that approach in general. From the `devel` list email about this: 2025-06-02 13:36:59 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info To build a package that has already been built as part of the side tag, please build it in the `f43-python` side tag: `fedpkg build --target=f43-python` and `koji wait-repo f43-python --build --request`. Please see the -devel list e-mail about this: https://lists.fedoraproject.org/archives/list/python-devel@lists.fedoraproject.org/message/LHYTUTQDVNF2L5KM7BDGZRUJRWLGGICU/ 2025-06-02 13:37:35 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info The packages seem fine otherwise. 2025-06-02 13:38:04 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Open package reviews check 2025-06-02 13:38:16 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=fedora-neuro -> all neuro-sig package review bugs block this bug 2025-06-02 13:39:28 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Two open tickets, please review if you can: https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2283111 (astrovascpy) + https://bugzilla.redhat.com/show_bug.cgi?id=2354221 (vispy) 2025-06-02 13:39:57 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic (neuro)science of the week 2025-06-02 13:40:47 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info planet-neuroscientists has lots of feeds from neuroscience blogs: https://neuroblog.fedoraproject.org/planet-neuroscientists/ 2025-06-02 13:43:32 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info: Vesicle cycle model reveals inner workings of brain synapse | Okinawa Institute of Science and Technology OIST: https://www.oist.jp/news-center/news/2025/5/29/vesicle-cycle-model-reveals-inner-workings-brain-synapse 2025-06-02 13:46:33 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info ‘Silent’ cells play a surprising role in how brains work: https://www.sciencenews.org/article/silent-cells-surprising-brains 2025-06-02 13:47:50 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Learning in living mice defies classic synaptic plasticity rule | The Transmitter: Neuroscience News and Perspectives: https://www.thetransmitter.org/learning/learning-in-living-mice-defies-classic-synaptic-plasticity-rule/ 2025-06-02 13:48:03 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info The Brain Prize 2025 - The Oscars of Neuroscience: https://www.womeninneuroscienceuk.org/post/the-brain-prize-2025-the-oscars-of-neuroscience 2025-06-02 13:48:59 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> that's all I can find on the planet for today 2025-06-02 13:49:22 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Next meeting info 2025-06-02 13:49:35 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> I guess in 2 weeks, same time, for a quick status check 2025-06-02 13:51:22 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Next meeting in 2 weeks at 1300 UTC 2025-06-02 13:51:31 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !topic Open floor 2025-06-02 13:51:53 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> we have 9 minutes for anything else that wasn't discussed 2025-06-02 13:52:52 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Otherwise we'll close the meeting and take the remaining time for a break :) 2025-06-02 13:53:03 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> closing the meeting in 2 minutes unless something else comes up 2025-06-02 13:54:22 <@music:fedora.im> Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD@fedora) (he/him/his): You were planning to orphan `mcpanel` and `rtfilter` since they just supported `eegview`, which was orphaned for F42 – right? Might as well go ahead and do that. 2025-06-02 13:54:47 <@music:fedora.im> Ankur Sinha (FranciscoD@fedora) (he/him/his): You were planning to orphan `mcpanel` and `rtfilter` since they just supported `eegview`, which was retired for F42 – right? Might as well go ahead and do that. 2025-06-02 13:56:15 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Ah, yeh, I'll go do remove neuro-sig from them and orphan them now 2025-06-02 13:57:04 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !action Ankur orphan mcpanel and rtfilter 2025-06-02 13:57:06 <@music:fedora.im> Another quick FYI, koji is super slow today and it’s being worked on. https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12587 2025-06-02 13:57:32 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> oo, that's unfortunate 2025-06-02 13:57:48 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !info Koji slow and being looked into: https://pagure.io/fedora-infrastructure/issue/12587 2025-06-02 14:00:35 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> Right, let's close on the hour 2025-06-02 14:00:37 <@ankursinha:fedora.im> !endmeeting