21:00:50 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE IRC 3
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21:00:58 <stoney> Welcome folks!
21:01:07 <kussmaul> hello!
21:01:09 <whe> Hi All
21:01:11 <stoney> POSSE is next week!
21:01:17 <stoney> getting excited!
21:01:19 <Sheggen> woot woot
21:01:24 <stoney> #link Agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
21:01:31 <stoney> That's our agenda for today's meeting
21:01:37 <stoney> #topic Introductions and Progress
21:01:55 <stoney> Let's remind folks who we are, and give a quick status as to what we are working on
21:02:00 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University: polishing sections I'll be presenting at POSSE
21:02:25 <stoney> Please fire at will
21:02:43 <kussmaul> #info Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College: polishing POGIL-style activities for POSSE and beyond
21:02:52 <Sheggen> #info Scott Heggen, Berea College, teaching a CS1 course in the Spring that I'd like to POSSEfy
21:03:58 <stoney> good stuff
21:04:03 <stoney> emme, whe?
21:04:08 <emme> #info Emily Lovell, UC Santa Cruz, interested in teaching with HFOSS and also getting ready to propose an HFOSS-related dissertation
21:04:20 <stoney> neat!
21:05:14 <stoney> I have a little painting of the santa cruz boardwalk above my desk :)
21:05:18 <stoney> whe?
21:05:23 <emme> POSSE will be great timing for me to gather more input/feedback :)
21:05:31 <whe> Wu He, Old Dominion University. I have beebn reading some of the stuff you posted for part C.
21:05:52 <stoney> Awesome!
21:07:00 <stoney> pearcej, nakazawa we were just introducing ourselves and giving a brief status of what we are working on.
21:07:05 <nakazawa> Sorry for being late. I have a new computer and forgot I did not have the client installed.
21:07:47 <stoney> nakazawa no problem :)
21:07:48 <pearcej> thanks. Like @nakazawa sorry for being late
21:08:01 <stoney> pearcej no problem :)
21:08:33 <whe> I will likle to see several of my students to engage in open source projects in summer semester.
21:08:49 <stoney> cool :)
21:08:56 <nakazawa> Mario Nakazawa, Berea College. stoney, what do you mean by status?
21:09:08 <stoney> where are you on the activities?
21:09:43 <stoney> briefly :)
21:09:54 <pearcej> Jan Pearce from Berea College. I will be teaching two sections of a data science focused CS1 in Spring at St. Olaf. Thinking about that and reading.
21:10:07 <stoney> we'll talk about a couple of them in more detail momentarily
21:10:25 <stoney> thanks pearcej!
21:10:29 <nakazawa> also, I am at home and my son is pestering me. brb.
21:11:20 <stoney> :)
21:11:31 <stoney> let's move forward then
21:11:33 <stoney> #topic Discuss B.4 and C.3: FOSS in Course Planning
21:11:41 <stoney> #link B.4 http://foss2serve.org/index.php/FOSS_In_Courses_Activity
21:11:47 <stoney> #link C.3 http://foss2serve.org/index.php/FOSS_in_Courses_2
21:12:17 <stoney> So we wanted to take a moment and hear what people are thinking about doing.
21:12:23 <stoney> So.. What are people thinking about doing? :)
21:13:16 <stoney> Personally... I'm going to be teaching a "software development" course this semester, and I'm thinking of using OpenMRS as an object of study
21:13:29 <stoney> "this semester" = Spring 2017
21:13:59 * stoney lives in a strange time edie that is split between 3-4 semesters at a time
21:14:28 <whe> I teach web development in summer. The Mousetrap project may work for several students in my class
21:14:31 <stoney> Again, fire when ready... ask questions, etc
21:14:34 <Sheggen> I'd like to incorporate some of the smaller ideas throughout the term into our CS1, then use the "create an example for documentation" idea from the reading as a project towards the end of the term
21:14:43 <nakazawa> I am back. I personally am overwhelmed by all of this, so I am hoping to find inspiration/suggestions. I will be teaching a parallel and distributed computing course in the spring.
21:15:17 <nakazawa> I am also thinking of ideas to add in CS2 that will be next fall.
21:15:17 <stoney> whe awesome... I've worked on MouseTrap with students before... I can be a resource for you... as well as Heidi
21:15:31 <emme> I've long been interested in teaching an HFOSS themed CS0/CS1 course (I've taught CS0 a couple of times at UCSC), although that may not happen right away
21:15:40 <nakazawa> Mousetrap sounds interesting because it is in Python.
21:15:53 <whe> great. I can get some project instuctions from you and let my students work on them.
21:16:13 <stoney> Sheggen interesting idea... what is "create an example for documentation"?... do you mean you'll have students create the example?
21:16:54 <stoney> nakazawa hm.... parallel and distributed courses.... so like hadoop kind of thing?
21:17:14 <Sheggen> lots of documentation has examples of how to use libraries/functions/etc. They'll build one of those examples and contribute it back to the wiki's or wherever the documentation lives.
21:17:44 <kussmaul> Sheggan - good idea!
21:17:55 <Sheggen> thx :)
21:18:23 <nakazawa> stoney, I will need to look into that.
21:18:35 <Sheggen> wish i could take credit... it's #11 here: http://blog.smartbear.com/programming/14-ways-to-contribute-to-open-source-without-being-a-programming-genius-or-a-rock-star/
21:18:40 <stoney> emme sure, it takes time to integrate some of this... at WNE we've been slowly trying to introduce technologies like git and IRC so that students have a better foundation for participating in HFOSS
21:18:54 <kussmaul> sheggen - have you thought about a format or template they can follow? do you talk about unit testing in your CS1?
21:19:13 <stoney> nakazawa Yes, if you're a Python shop, then that might make sense
21:19:31 <stoney> whe I'll do my best :)
21:19:40 <Sheggen> I have not, but those are good considerations I'll need to think about. thanks!
21:19:49 <whe> Thanks
21:19:52 <emme> stoney, yes - things exactly like that! (plus I am also very interested in exposing students to HFOSS culture)
21:19:54 <kussmaul> one thing I try to focus on is making materials that are easy for other people to adapt/adopt, so we all spend less time reinventing the wheel.
21:20:00 <stoney> Sheggen ah... so they'll create documentation, cool!
21:20:09 <nakazawa> Unit testing is something that I want to incorporate in my classes, but I am slow at it.
21:21:04 <pearcej> my data science-focused cs1 will be a mixture of R and Python. When using just Python, we do unit testing, why do you alk about until testing @kussmaul
21:21:20 <kussmaul> In my CS2 I have Ss write unit tests regularly. In my CS1 I'm less formal - mostly "every time you write a function, include examples of how you would call it"
21:21:28 <pearcej> I meant unit testing... can't type
21:22:20 <pearcej> thanks, @kussmaul
21:22:23 <stoney> my software development course will have a large section on testing in general and automated/unit testing specifically... I'm hoping to start developing materials for that in spring... but it will likely be in Java unless I can make it language agnostic somehow
21:23:01 <stoney> kussmaul that's awesome
21:23:59 <kussmaul> stoney, I have POGIL activities for unit testing in Java, just saying...
21:24:05 <stoney> ooooo
21:24:23 <stoney> Great... I'm still collecting materials
21:24:28 <stoney> is that up on CS-POGIL?
21:24:29 <pearcej> @nakazawa, we have POGIL activities for CS1 too
21:25:00 <pearcej> I meant on unit testing
21:25:17 <kussmaul> emme, one of the goals of this project is to find ways to introduce IRC, wikis, trackers, git, etc. in gradual and sensible ways so they are more natural and less overwhelming to students (& teachers)
21:26:02 <emme> kussmaul, sounds right up my alley!
21:26:13 <kussmaul> stoney, yes, POGIL on Junit is on cspogil.org. Maybe someday Berea will share their materials too. :-)
21:26:29 <whe> Those are great tools. I will be able to introduce them in my IT201 introduction to Information Technologies
21:26:33 <stoney> :)
21:26:59 <pearcej> @kussmaul, we (I) deserved that. Coming soon. I PROMISE!
21:27:52 <stoney> So it sounds like folks have some ideas about what they are hopping to accomplish with their courses; we will draw on this creativity next week, so keep your ideas handy :)
21:28:27 <stoney> Are there any other big burning questions about the course planning activities?
21:28:41 <stoney> If not, I'll move on to our last topic
21:29:08 <stoney> #topic Announcements and Logistics
21:29:18 <stoney> If you haven't done so, please sign up for one project-based group and one or more course-based group here...
21:29:24 <stoney> #link Stage 2 groups http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
21:29:32 <whe> I did. Thanks
21:29:35 <stoney> I think most of you have already... but just in case :)
21:29:40 <stoney> This will help us during stage two when organizing activities.
21:29:47 <stoney> Also, please post your travel information here...
21:29:53 <stoney> #link Travel Information https://titanpad.com/POSSETravel
21:30:00 <stoney> Again, I think most have
21:30:12 <stoney> In fact... I may have been one of the last to do so :)
21:30:36 <stoney> What other questions do you have for us?
21:31:48 * stoney knows how to kill a discussion
21:32:25 <emme> haha
21:32:42 <stoney> I'm all for short meetings... but I want to make sure that everyone is all set for next week
21:32:46 <stoney> are we all good?
21:33:09 <nakazawa> I think so.
21:33:23 <stoney> wonerful
21:33:28 <stoney> wonderful even
21:33:33 <kussmaul> I look forward to talking with people again and for the first time.
21:33:40 <emme> me too!
21:33:42 <pearcej> at least it is not just me who can't type
21:33:45 <nakazawa> See you there, Clif!
21:33:46 <stoney> I'm very excited to meet you all next week
21:33:55 <stoney> See you all very soon
21:33:55 <whe> thanks. see you next week!
21:33:58 <pearcej> Look forward to seeing all of you!
21:33:58 <kussmaul> And for me Raleigh is the first stop on a month-long journey to India!
21:33:59 <stoney> safe travels!
21:34:04 <kussmaul> bye
21:34:10 <stoney> Good night!
21:34:11 <whe> bye
21:34:14 <stoney> #endmeeting