14:02:16 #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting #2 14:02:17 Meeting started Mon May 23 14:02:16 2016 UTC. The chair is lorip. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 14:02:17 Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 14:02:17 The meeting name has been set to 'posse_irc_meeting_#2' 14:02:28 #topic 14:02:34 #topic Introductions 14:02:52 we'll start with quick introductions - alphabetically by nick 14:03:08 please include your name, school and anything else you want 14:03:33 Aria: would you begin? 14:03:51 Yes … 14:04:15 I’m Aria from Duke. 14:05:05 Hi all, I'm Darci Burdge from Nassau Community College. I am a member of the foss2serve team and have most recently become interested in working with the OpenMRS Android client. 14:05:44 Alan Rea, Western Michigan University, Worked on Ushahidi, Want everything from Google I/O this year to work. 14:07:19 dzho: would you introduce yourself? 14:08:35 * lorip thinking should we move on to george-thomas? 14:08:39 Hi everyone, George Thomas from University of Wisconsin-Oshkosh; attending POSSE for first time. 14:08:46 John Barr, Ithaca College. I’m new to FOSS and am interested in finding projects to use in a mobile dev course (Android or iOS) and a GIS course. 14:09:34 Clif Kussmaul, Muhlenberg College. I'm a co-PI on the NSF OpenPath project, and PI for the NSF POGIL (Process Oriented Guided Inquiry Learning) in CS project. I've used, contributed to, and consulted with a variety of FOSS projects, including Drupal, Moodle, and several wiki platforms. 14:10:05 Jiang Li, a.k.a. Leo, from Howard University. First time in POSSE. 14:10:45 I'm Lori Postner from Nassau Community College in NY. I'm a member of the foss2serve team. 14:11:18 Ron McCleary, Avila Univesity, Kansas City, MO. First time in POSSE for me. I'll probably be in tomorrow's meeting too (still have some work to do). 14:11:33 Tim Wahls from Dickinson College - first time POSSE participant. Sorry that I missed Meeting #1 - logged in and immediately got deluged with students. I'm at home today at least! 14:11:53 welcome everyone! 14:12:07 here's our agenda for today 14:12:10 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 14:12:50 our first item is an quick update on stage 1 activities 14:12:58 #topic Stage 1 activities 14:13:10 questions? problems? how is it going? 14:13:31 Hi Lori, I have a question about the project evaluation and the blog 14:13:43 I’m a little confused about exactly what we’re supposed to do. 14:14:01 I’ve done the openMRS eval and the field trip and posted these to my blog 14:14:02 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Project_Evaluation_Activity 14:14:15 * lorip looking 14:14:33 but I’m not sure whether we’re supposed to also do another eval and post that to…the wiki? blog? 14:14:36 Here's one I did the last round if you want an example: https://foss.docrea.org/2015/08/15/foss-field-trip/ 14:15:25 ithabarr: can you provide a link to your blog? 14:16:13 There’s a link in the participants list, but I’ll find the link and send it here… 14:16:30 https://ithacathoughts.wordpress.com 14:17:29 ithabarr: I think that you only need to do one project eval 14:17:29 darci - please chime in here, but I you were posting the evaluation to the wiki 14:18:08 This is, I believe, an evaluation of the OpenMRS project only. 14:18:26 Is there something in the instructions that makes you think that you need to do another eval? 14:18:26 That seemed a little unclear in the instructions to me - I think I ended up posting my eval in both places. 14:19:10 But I didn't get the impression that I was meant to do more than one eval. 14:19:32 Oh, maybe I misunderstood...were you asking about where to post the eval? 14:19:38 yes, in the project evaluation activity, under “Deliverables” is this: Wiki posting of evaluation of a project from the list of HFOSS projects 14:19:40 correct - only 1 evaluation 14:20:31 According to this you should have a link to your eval from your blog: The evaluation template should be uploaded to your blog -- while working on your blog post position the cursor on the page where you would like the link to appear and click 'Add Media'. 14:21:29 Yes, I did that, but it seems that this is the OpenMRS eval, but the “Deliverables” section makes it seem like there should also be an eval of another project. 14:21:37 I see what you are referring to 14:21:45 Oh, now I see the confusion. Yes, why don't you include a link in both places. 14:22:01 ok 14:22:31 OpenMRS is one of the projects - my recollection is that we gave people a choice in previous POSSEs and updated the activity but missed the deliverables - thanks for catching that! 14:22:53 Should I do another eval of another HFOSS project and post that also? 14:23:21 if you like, but we are not expecting you to 14:23:35 ok, thanks. 14:23:53 other questions? 14:24:47 How strongly to you recommend trying to install our chosen project? Its shown up twice now, but optional both times. 14:25:32 I don't think it would hurt to put a bit of time into this task. 14:25:51 We've made it optional because we don't want participants spending too much time on it. 14:25:52 OK. 14:25:53 I think giving the install a try is really helpful before coming to POSSE because it gives you a sense if there are stumbling blocks 14:26:17 Our experience in the past is that it can be a really time consuming task! 14:26:19 but as darci said, we don't want people spending huge amounts of time on it 14:26:33 OK, that makes sense. 14:26:45 If you've tried, be sure to keep good notes. 14:27:04 but that does bring up choosing a project (which is one of the topics for this meeting) 14:27:10 That can be a great source of information for those who have not tried it and a great stating point from face to face discussion. 14:27:12 Haven't yet, but I will if/when I get a chance. 14:27:48 before I move on - other questions about the activities? 14:27:53 It helps a great deal to try an install of at least your chosen project. 14:28:46 I don't really have any questions on the activities right now. I'm in the middle of working with Stage 1 - Part B activities 14:29:02 #topic stage 2 groups 14:29:47 to help us prepare for stage 2 (our face-to-face meeting in Philadelphia), we'd like you to sign up for groups 14:29:51 #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups 14:30:09 please sign up for 1 project and 1 course that you are interested in working on 14:31:20 Would you like us to indicate here/now our choices? 14:31:45 So we just need our names under project/course? 14:32:10 Aria, you don't have to do it now, but we'd like to you to be thinking about it and sign up in the next week or so 14:32:25 Oh ok, thanks 14:32:32 Leo_ yes, add your name under 1 project and under 1 course 14:32:55 questions about projects? or courses? 14:33:16 I've been looking at OpenMRS, but the scale and complexity of the project is quite daunting! Any words of wisdom on how much of an issue this is? 14:33:50 I am thinking of OpenMRS as well. 14:34:05 wahlst: we've had a number of faculty successfully use OpenMRS in various courses 14:34:15 Can you say a bit about the “Stand-alone HFOSS/Openness” course? 14:34:23 darci has gotten around some of that by using the mobile version 14:34:33 Yes, it is a large project, but there's lots of opportunity for contributions. 14:34:56 others have really gotten into the code base and have found they like it as a project 14:35:09 Some have also chosen to work on/develop a module, rather than work on the core. 14:35:26 Aria: the thought here is to have a course that is not code based but rather about the concept of openness 14:35:42 That's helpful - thanks! 14:35:44 In the FOSS2Serve page about Ushahidi it says that the project is undergoing a major rewrite. Is this still in process? And could you have any more info about the Android project besides what is on the “Android App” page? 14:35:50 Wonderful . . . perfect for this humanist :-) 14:35:53 some people have done it as a freshman seminar type class or special topics 14:36:43 There are some "gotchas" in Ushahidi version 3 in terms of Android, but there are workarounds and the group is aware of them. 14:36:53 Lorip, can you say more on "A course about the concept of openness"? Or will we discuss it on site? 14:37:40 Just finished a senior mobile development course in which the student team wrote an Android app, installed an Ushahidi server, etc. all using Version 3. 14:38:18 yes.... the idea is to teach about why people choose to make things open - for example, why would a school make their courses available online for free? 14:38:51 There could also be some discussion about open data, open government, etc. 14:38:54 why do people choose to have open software? I believe people have talked about open government as well 14:39:11 * lorip wondering where is the link I want to post? 14:39:21 to? 14:39:32 Thanks. 14:39:54 darci - what is the website that Ruth runs for Red Hat? 14:40:19 opensource.com? 14:40:20 #link https://opensource.com/ 14:40:59 docrea: could you describe your Android app a bit? 14:41:13 * lorip what did I miss while I was trying to answer the openness course question? 14:42:57 Sure. The team created a lost pet finder app that interfaced with an Ushahidi server to track lost pet's movements via user reporting. 14:43:10 :) 14:43:13 Love it! 14:43:41 docrea: did the app include mapping? Just trying to figure out where this might fit in my course. 14:43:43 Awesome idea! 14:43:52 It's rough (pun intended), but functional. And I'll be happy to talk about it more in Philly 14:44:04 Yes, pet locations are plotted on OpenStreetMaps 14:44:14 Very cool! 14:44:19 Pins are dropped from user reports 14:44:34 And descriptions can be assigned on each pin. 14:44:38 Users can search for pets, etc. 14:44:49 And we added an API to pet finder as well. 14:44:58 To pull date from there. 14:45:15 I assume that you’re just access an API so I could use other mobile clients as well (i.e. iOS). 14:45:17 *data 14:45:34 For petfinder, yes. 14:45:54 For Ushahidi there are a multitude of functions to use. 14:46:24 And figuring them out tends to be half the battle for students. 14:46:42 But the Ushahidi team was great working with them. 14:47:00 How difficullt is it to install the Ushahidi server? 14:48:04 We ran it off of Heroku, but you can install it in a VM. 14:48:18 Students created install guides I'm working on putting together and can share. 14:48:46 That would be great! 14:49:04 Basically the team documented everything (part of the requirement in my class) 14:49:45 we are getting close to the end of our hour - are there questions about Stage 2 (our meeting in Philadelphia)? 14:49:50 #topic Stage 2 Questions 14:51:23 people are set with getting to Philadelphia? 14:51:44 Do you know the location of the hotel? 14:51:46 Do we have the hotel info yet? 14:51:52 yes - one minute 14:52:30 I’ll be driving…I assume that I can drive directly to the hotel and check in? 14:52:39 I will be driving as well 14:52:43 I have air transportation done but wonder if I should be doing anything about ground transportation. 14:52:43 Club Quarters - 1628 Chestnut St - Philadelphia, PA 14:52:57 Is parking free? 14:53:08 we already have a room block set up, so you don't have to do anything for the hotel 14:53:22 Have my plane ticket. Just was waiting to hear about the hotel, so I'm set (except getting to the hotel, that is) 14:53:47 RonM: we will be sending out information about ground transportation a bit closer to the meeting 14:54:26 traveling with another faculty attending POSSE so we are set for air travel 14:54:35 That information will also include parking info. 14:54:36 lorip: thanks 14:55:06 lorip, thakns 14:55:22 Leo_ https://clubquartershotels.com/philadelphia - there is a parking link 14:55:56 lorip: did we have some people park at Drexel last time? 14:56:21 yes, I was just about to say that - Drexel parking I believe is cheaper, Greg will have more information on that 14:57:00 other questions? 14:57:15 no from me 14:57:32 I’m good. Thanks to everyone, this has been very helpful! Looking forward to the next chat! 14:57:53 I'm good, thanks. 14:57:59 bye all! 14:58:04 we plan to have 1 more IRC meeting before Philly (the week of June 6th) 14:58:08 Bye, thanks! 14:58:13 Thanks all 14:58:20 thanks everyone! hope your semesters are almost done! 14:58:22 Sounds good - thanks! 14:58:23 Bye and thanks. 14:58:28 If you have more Ushahidi/mobile questions look me up. 14:58:39 Thanks docrea, I will! 14:58:46 #endmeeting