17:59:37 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting 2
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17:59:37 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_irc_meeting_2'
17:59:50 <stoney> Hi all, welcome to the second IRC meeting for POSSE! :)
17:59:59 <Joe_W1> Howdy!
18:00:04 <Junhua> good afternoon
18:00:07 * stoney waves
18:00:18 <stoney> Here is a link to the agenda for today's meeting.
18:00:25 <stoney> #link agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
18:00:46 <stoney> Before we begin, we should take roll.
18:00:54 <stoney> #topic Roll Call
18:00:59 * Junhua "hello"
18:01:17 <stoney> If you are participating in today's meeting, please #info your name and institution.  For example,
18:01:25 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University
18:01:40 <Joe_W1> #info Joe Welch, Central Texas College
18:01:42 <Junhua> #junhua Ding, east carolina university
18:01:50 <sheckman> #info Sarah Heckman, NC State
18:01:52 <stoney> While folks are doing that... let me repost the agenda ...
18:01:59 <stoney> #link agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
18:02:07 <stoney> Welcome Joe_W1 !
18:02:11 <stoney> welcome Junhua !
18:02:18 <stoney> welcome sheckman !
18:02:53 <stoney> anyone not responding I'll assume will just be lurking during this session
18:03:10 <stoney> nice :)
18:03:26 <stoney> Hi LB, If you are participating in today's meeting, please #info your name and institution
18:03:44 <stoney> for example
18:03:45 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University
18:03:51 <LB> #info Lina Battestilli, North Carolina State University
18:03:58 <stoney> welcome LB !
18:04:08 <LB> hello
18:04:14 <stoney> and the agenda is here: http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2
18:05:07 <stoney> I'll wait 1 more minute
18:05:13 <stoney> maybe someone else will show
18:05:22 <stoney> we're at 4... that's descent :)
18:05:27 <stoney> descent... no no
18:05:52 <stoney> decent :)
18:06:00 <stoney> ok... off we go
18:06:02 <LB> how can we tell who are the active participants
18:06:07 <stoney> #topic Updates and Questions on POSSE stage 1 activities
18:06:30 <stoney> LB basically anyone who responded to my request to info up is an active participant
18:06:46 <stoney> so Joe_W1 , pirate , sheckman , and LB
18:06:48 <stoney> :)
18:06:58 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities
18:07:08 <stoney> There is a link to the activities
18:07:16 <stoney> How are folks doing on stage 1 activities?
18:07:38 <Joe_W1> Migrating along...specific documentation is appreciated...
18:07:49 <Joe_W1> I am on 1B, need to document in wiki.
18:08:00 <stoney> ok good
18:08:06 <sheckman> I think I'm finished with Stage 1.
18:08:06 <stoney> are you saying you need more documentation?
18:08:16 <stoney> nice sheckman !
18:08:32 <Joe_W1> No, documentation provided is great and helpful to navigate the resources.
18:08:42 <stoney> ah good
18:08:47 <stoney> which reminds me...
18:09:14 <stoney> please remember to log your progress... and provide such useful comments in this spreadsheet...
18:09:22 <stoney> #link POSSE Activity Evaluation  https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1igSyZ7wWXmlmqqgvtWTJqvsFj2wsQHVJW2qAGjnmFpA/edit#gid=0
18:09:42 <stoney> are there any questions on stage 1?
18:09:51 <stoney> anyone stuck, etc.?
18:10:04 <Joe_W1> I have no questions.
18:10:12 <stoney> :)
18:10:36 <LB> I also think the documentation for the activities is great
18:10:55 <stoney> awesome... were are you in stage 1 LB?
18:11:30 <Joe_W1> I have finished work on 1B, step 2. Need to complete writeup.
18:11:32 <LB> Is stage 1 the same as Part A?
18:11:36 * stoney just looked at the sheet....
18:11:44 <stoney> OK, good
18:11:53 <stoney> um... no
18:12:09 <LB> Oh I see
18:12:13 <stoney> stage 1 has parts A, B, and C
18:12:19 <LB> I get it now
18:12:33 <stoney> In theory... folks should be somewhere between A and B
18:12:38 <stoney> so in the middle of B?
18:12:57 <Joe_W1> Yes...
18:13:26 <Joe_W1> Stoney, question...
18:13:32 <stoney> Joe_W1 go ahead :)
18:14:02 <Joe_W1> Several students (we are a small college) are very interested in working on one of two projects...InfoSec or Human Trafficking...
18:14:25 <stoney> awesome
18:14:35 <Joe_W1> The OS repo's for these interest areas vary from those recommended in the FOSSE steps...
18:14:36 * pirate great
18:14:58 * stoney is from CA originally... thus comments like "cool", and "awesome"
18:15:03 <Joe_W1> I do want to support the student interest as if it wanes, the OS effort at the college dissipates...
18:15:41 <Joe_W1> What are your thoughts/recs on selecting an OS project separate from those listed in FOSSE? What is the "pain" level for this?
18:16:12 <stoney> when you say "those listed in FOSSE" you mean foss2serve.org?
18:16:18 <Joe_W1> Yes...
18:16:21 <stoney> ok..
18:17:05 <stoney> so for the purposes of POSSE (this workshop) we want to focus on specific projects so that we have a shared experience, and also we hope to form communities around those projects
18:17:42 <stoney> however, if you find a project that is a good fit for you, your students, and your institution you should certainly pursue it...
18:18:28 <Joe_W1> Have there been successful (enduring, of student value) "spinoff" efforts?
18:18:36 <stoney> as part of the POSSE experience we'll look at how to evaluate a project for fit for your course etc.
18:18:50 * stoney thinking
18:19:25 <stoney> i'm not sure I know the answer to "enduring" efforts
18:19:35 <stoney> let me ping ghislop_afk
18:19:46 <Joe_W1> Sounds good - very helpful info going forward.
18:19:48 <stoney> maybe he can answer
18:19:56 <hislopg> hi all
18:20:04 <stoney> hi hislopg
18:20:31 * hislopg reading to catch up...
18:20:34 <stoney> Can you answer Joe_W1 's question (about 10 lines or so back)
18:20:49 <stoney> (maybe a bit more)
18:20:52 * stoney looks sheepish
18:20:56 <Joe_W1> Thanks ghislop...
18:21:10 <hislopg> "enduring " is relative!  there are projects that various TOS people have worked on for extended periods
18:21:31 <hislopg> there are lots of examples of things that have had value for students
18:21:43 <hislopg> we'll share specific examples in the workshop in Raleigh
18:21:59 <Joe_W1> Sounds great - thank you.
18:22:08 <hislopg> you're welcome!  :-)
18:22:12 <stoney> it is challenging to sustain an effort from year to year
18:22:39 <stoney> that comment is just from my experience
18:22:46 <stoney> but I think others have had more success
18:22:53 <stoney> like Cam with Ushahidi
18:23:11 <Joe_W1> Thanks for the additional info...
18:23:21 <stoney> hope that helped :)
18:23:29 <Joe_W1> Yes, very useful.
18:23:54 <stoney> It sounds like we've already moved into the next topic
18:23:59 <stoney> so let's continue that way
18:24:05 <stoney> #topic Courses in which you plan to use HFOSS
18:24:12 <stoney> What courses do people plan to incorporate HFOSS into?
18:25:33 <Joe_W1> We have a 3 course prog sequence: aligned w/ CS0,CS1, CS2. I will introduce into CS0 course to build awareness, tool familiarity and interest.  I plan to augment class interest with several workshops.
18:25:50 <LB> My interest is to see if we can use in the Senior Design course at NCSU
18:25:56 <stoney> that sounds great Joe_W1
18:26:34 <stoney> we will be talking about easy ways students can engage HFOSS projects besides code contribution
18:26:48 <stoney> LB that's a very nice fit
18:26:51 <LB> I have wanted to add Service learning projects and I think HFOSS might be way to do it.
18:27:30 <LB> We currently have one of our first service learning projects .. and keeping the support forward is already an issue!
18:28:01 <stoney> LB service learning is one of the reasons we focus on humanitarian projects... that sounds excellent
18:28:20 <stoney> LB what does "keeping the support forward" mean?
18:28:33 <LB> it is a 15 week course ... we take the students through the entire soft development cycle.  The one issue
18:28:52 <LB> Meaning when this term ends .. the students graduate :) .. who will pick up the project
18:29:15 <stoney> ah... right... supporting the product after students graduate... or move on
18:29:23 <stoney> definately an issu
18:29:30 <stoney> issue*
18:30:03 <LB> in our course we ask the students to come up with some design decisions .. not just coding .. hopefully HFOSS will have some design opportunity for that.
18:30:17 <stoney> pirate, sheckman , any particular course or courses you'll be targeting?
18:30:22 <sheckman> I'm looking into how open source practices can support the project we're using in our software engineering course at NC State.
18:30:42 <stoney> LB many projects lack a clearly documented design
18:31:03 * pirate no particualr question
18:31:12 <stoney> LB I know Heidi (here at WNE) has had her students reverse engineer the design of a project and then contribute that back
18:31:26 <LB> sheckman is also an instructor in the same senior design course ... so it is good that we can discuss options together
18:31:28 <stoney> LB appears to be well received by the community
18:32:12 <stoney> LB, sheckman  ah, got it
18:32:18 <pirate> I am more interested in sr. courses
18:32:29 <stoney> I'm bad putting names and faces together... adding IRC handles to the mix makes it worse :)
18:32:50 <stoney> pirate what courses do you normally teach?
18:33:04 <pirate> OS, HPC
18:33:31 <stoney> OS I get... what's HPC?
18:33:42 <pirate> high performance computing
18:34:20 <stoney> ah... OK... I'm not sure we've had folks enrich courses in those areas with HFOSS
18:34:42 <stoney> it would be interesting to brainstorm that a bit
18:35:01 <pirate> lots of open framework for hpc,
18:35:16 <pirate> opnecl, mpi, openmp, etc
18:35:23 <stoney> excellent!
18:35:35 * stoney is not familiar with HPC :)
18:36:22 <pirate> but I am suffering lacking of hardware resources, although open software is available
18:36:45 <stoney> ah... that could be a tough one
18:37:13 <stoney> none of that could be done with cloud services?
18:37:50 <pirate> NVidia and Google are working hard for cloud based open resources for education purposes
18:37:54 <stoney> I ask, because I think Red Hat has some capability there... and there may be other open source groups that might be interested in helping a school there that is trying to get students into open source
18:38:06 <stoney> ah.. .there you go :)
18:38:12 <pirate> that is fantastic!!!
18:39:01 <stoney> ok... shall we press on in our agenda?
18:39:10 <Joe_W1> Ready...
18:39:14 <stoney> #topic Stage 2 Activities
18:39:24 <stoney> We have a draft agenda posted here.
18:39:31 <stoney> #link Stage 2 http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities
18:39:38 <stoney> It will be updated, but it will give you an idea of the face-to-face workshop.
18:40:15 <stoney> Take a look...
18:40:30 <stoney> Any questions at this point about Stage 2?
18:40:44 <Joe_W1> reviewing...
18:40:52 <stoney> awesome :)
18:41:14 <stoney> while you all are reviewing ... and formulating questions....
18:41:24 <stoney> We would like to set groups before we meet in Raleigh and have a page where you can sign up.
18:41:35 <stoney> We ask that you sign up for a course as well as a project.
18:41:45 <stoney> #link Groups http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
18:41:54 <stoney> This will help us to form groups during stage 2.
18:42:26 <stoney> OK... I've thrown a lot out... now I'll pause and quit throwing things at you... :)
18:45:35 <stoney> What questions, thoughts, or concerns do you have about stage 2 or the groups?
18:45:50 <Joe_W1> No questions...
18:45:57 <stoney> awesome :)
18:46:07 <sheckman> I don't have any questions.
18:46:14 <stoney> pirate, LB all good?
18:46:18 <pirate> no question
18:46:19 <stoney> thanks sheckman ! :)
18:46:30 <LB> Yes thank you
18:46:33 <stoney> wow that was easy :)
18:46:44 <stoney> before I end this meeting...
18:47:05 <stoney> any other thoughts or something else you were hoping I addressed today?
18:47:18 <Joe_W1> I am good - thanks for the info/time...
18:47:20 * stoney feels like tech support with that last question
18:47:27 <Joe_W1> :)
18:47:45 <stoney> OK then... let's not make this meeting any longer than it has to be
18:47:51 <stoney> Thank you all for coming
18:47:57 <sheckman> Thank you!
18:47:59 <LB> thank you .. have a good day!
18:47:59 <pirate> thank you
18:48:00 <Joe_W1> Thanks Stoney...bye...
18:48:01 <stoney> I'll be talking to you soon!
18:48:06 <stoney> #endmeeting