13:00:42 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting 3.1 13:00:42 <zodbot> Meeting started Mon Jun 19 13:00:42 2017 UTC. The chair is stoney. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot. 13:00:42 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic. 13:00:42 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_irc_meeting_3.1' 13:00:49 <stoney> #chair lorip 13:00:49 <zodbot> Current chairs: lorip stoney 13:01:01 <stoney> Welcome to our third IRC meeting! 13:01:14 <stoney> #link Agenda http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3 13:01:30 <stoney> #topic Roll Call 13:01:39 <stoney> If you are participating in today's meeting, please #info up your name and institution. 13:01:47 <stoney> Please remember all meetbot commands must appear first on a line. 13:02:00 <stoney> So the #info meetbot command must appear first. 13:02:06 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University 13:02:28 <Kchahal> #info kuljit Kaur Chahal, Guru Nanak Dev University, India 13:02:35 <lorip> #info Lori Postner, Nassau Community College, NY - I'm part of the POSSE organizing team 13:02:35 <giatorta> #info Gianluca Torta, Università di Torino 13:02:41 <Deepti> #info Deepti Reddy, SIES Graduate School of Technology, University of Mumbai. 13:02:42 <stoney> welcome Kchahal ! 13:02:48 <stoney> welcome lorip ! 13:02:55 <stoney> welcome glikins ! 13:03:15 <stoney> welcome giatorta ! 13:03:23 <stoney> (oops sorry glikins :)) 13:03:33 <stoney> welcom Deepti ! 13:03:44 <stoney> see... I'm not a bot! I make lots of mistakes :) 13:04:09 <lorip> our agenda can be found at 13:04:11 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3 13:04:19 <stoney> so there's about 5 of us then 13:04:44 <stoney> #topic Discuss progress on Stage 1 activities 13:04:55 <stoney> #link Stage 1 Activities http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities#Part_C:_Third_Two_Weeks 13:05:12 <stoney> For quick reference, there is a link to the stage 1 activities 13:05:30 <stoney> A quick reminder, please continue to log feedback in the activity evaluation spreadsheet 13:05:35 <stoney> #link POSSE Activity Evalution https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1_Fs5rTu6ltChsIfk3ywk0BfL0YAaKqMDgMAHspiuXM0/edit#gid=0 13:05:47 <stoney> So... how are folks doing on the activiies? 13:06:00 <stoney> questions? comments? thoughts? 13:06:09 <giatorta> I have finisshed activities 1B, but I have yet to start activities 1C 13:07:00 * stoney refreshing himself on those activities 13:07:13 <Deepti> I have completed till part B activities. 13:07:13 <Kchahal_> Working on identifying activities for students to contribute to hfoss 13:07:37 <Kchahal_> I am also done with stage b 13:07:44 <lorip> the github activity will be used in the face to face meeting - you will need git installed on your computer 13:07:55 <stoney> Good... so the FOSS field trip and about to work on the bug tracker activity, got it 13:08:30 <lorip> that's great that you've gotten through part B - any questions or problems? 13:09:43 <lorip> the foss in courses 2 activity in part c is a continuation of what you did in part b 13:09:55 <giatorta> would you suggest to sign-up for more than one course? 13:10:13 <lorip> no, we would prefer you sign up for only 1 course 13:10:28 <giatorta> lorip ok 13:10:32 <Kchahal_> What are we supposed to do in this activity? 13:10:37 <lorip> giatorta - I'm assuming you mean for the stage 2 groups, correct? 13:10:48 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups 13:11:10 <giatorta> lorip yes 13:11:10 <giatorta> lorip yes 13:11:21 <stoney> Kchahal_ which, b.4? c.3? 13:11:22 <lorip> kchahal_ which activity? 13:11:46 <Kchahal_> The courses that we are signing up for. 13:12:17 <Kchahal_> Like I opted for object oriented design. 13:12:30 <lorip> kachahal_ we want you to sign up for the course you are most likely to use HFOSS in next year - this will help us form groups when we meet in Bologna 13:12:49 <stoney> this will help us form some initial groups 13:12:57 <lorip> that is all we are asking for in the sign up oage 13:13:01 <Kchahal_> Ok 13:13:04 <lorip> oops, page not oage 13:13:23 <stoney> we just want folks to start thinking about where they might use HFOSS 13:13:36 <lorip> but there are two activities in stage 1 (B.4 and C.3) where you will outline what you hope to do in that course 13:13:43 <lorip> kchahal_ does that help? 13:13:46 <stoney> and then during stage 2, you'll have a chance to discuss with like minded instructors 13:14:47 * stoney getting nervous/excited about traveling to Italy! 13:14:53 <Kchahal_> Yes it is ok now 13:15:14 * lorip bummed that I won't be joining everyone in Bologna 13:15:31 <stoney> :( 13:15:36 <stoney> we'll miss you lorip 13:15:38 <stoney> :) 13:16:05 <Kchahal_> yes waiting for visa 13:16:30 <stoney> Kchahal_ do you have a sense of how long that will take? 13:17:00 <stoney> (since we are slipping in to stage 2 discussion... I'll go ahead and change the topic) 13:17:04 <stoney> #topic Stage 2 13:17:10 <lorip> one of the partc C activities is an intro to github - who is familiar with github? 13:17:33 <giatorta> I am quite familiar, at least to a basic level 13:18:07 <Kchahal_> Basic level only 13:18:07 <stoney> good giatorta ! 13:18:08 <lorip> giatorta - that's great! 13:18:22 <lorip> deepti - any github experience? 13:18:30 <Deepti> not much. 13:18:35 <stoney> by the way, familiarity beyond what the activities have you do is not expected/required 13:18:43 <stoney> we'll go into more depth in Stage 2 13:19:20 <stoney> hi heidi ! 13:19:22 <lorip> yes - we find that git/github is often one of the topics that people struggle with understanding 13:19:49 <giatorta> I guess 99% of FOSS projects are now on GitHub... is it correct? 13:19:58 <lorip> kchahal_ do you know how long it may take to get your visa? 13:20:07 <heidi> Hi folks 13:20:20 <giatorta> hi heidi 13:20:22 <stoney> giatorta, newer projects are more frequently on github yes... but 13:20:26 <Kchahal_> Probably 10 days..expecting by 23rd june 13:20:27 <Deepti> hi Heidi 13:20:34 <lorip> giatorta - I think it is less than 99% but, yes lots are on github 13:20:39 <stoney> many existing projects are not 13:20:39 <heidi> Gladd to see everyone 13:20:47 <Kchahal_> Hello Heidi 13:20:54 <stoney> they often have their own server and may use other tools 13:21:09 <lorip> kchahal_ glad to hear it should be soon! 13:21:15 <stoney> for example, GNOME does not use GitHub 13:21:25 <Kchahal_> Thanks lorip 13:21:36 <giatorta> stoney: ok intersting 13:21:59 <lorip> let's go back for a moment to stage 1 b.4 13:22:04 <stoney> giatorta one reason some projects avoid GitHub is because GitHub is not itself open source 13:22:17 <lorip> what courses do people plan to use HFOSS in? 13:22:52 <giatorta> stoney right... we use a local "gitlab" at my Uni, that should be OS 13:23:40 <Deepti> I am planning to start with FOSS in Data Structures course at second year level. 13:24:00 <lorip> deepti how do you plan to incorporate it? 13:24:01 <giatorta> #info I plan to use HFOSS in Software Engineering 13:24:08 <Kchahal_> I want to put it in various courses..like course on programming languages, data structures, distributed software dev 13:24:12 <stoney> giatorta yes GitLab is becoming an increasingly popular alternative to GitHub... now that they also provide hosting, its a great way to get started if you are an open source purist 13:24:34 <lorip> giatorta - software engineering is a popular course to integrate HFOSS into 13:25:08 <lorip> kchahal_ I'd recommend concentrating on one initially - which do you think is the best place to start? 13:25:09 * stoney will stop hijacking the conversation :) 13:25:19 <giatorta> lorip: yes... I just have to better figure out how to do it! 13:25:27 <Deepti> lorip, I am planning to first train them in Linux command- writing C code, compiling, installing packages, etc. 13:25:42 <Kchahal_> At the beginning level, for familiarity with coding styles 13:26:33 <lorip> giatorta - our team can help with that - stoney has used it in software engineering as has greg - we also have a number of US faculty teaching software engineering with HFOSS 13:26:57 <giatorta> lorip: great! 13:27:01 <stoney> Kchahal_ I too am thinking about programming languages as I'm prepping a PL course for the first time this fall... but I'm not sure how or where HFOSS fits there... if you have thoughts on it, I'd be interested in hearing them. 13:27:05 <lorip> deepti - so are you looking for them to install an HFOSS project? if so, which one? 13:27:15 <Kchahal_> At advanced level, contributing code, testing, understanding distributed team structure 13:28:05 <stoney> lorip giatorta Heidi has also used HFOSS in a SE course 13:28:17 <stoney> giatorta so lots of support there 13:28:24 <lorip> kchahal_ are you thinking about having students read through code from a specific project to help them understand coding styles, documentation, etc? if so, which project are you thinking of? 13:28:47 <Kchahal_> Yes 13:28:48 <lorip> kchahal_ what language(s) do you teach in this course? 13:28:50 <Kchahal_> I am exploring OpenMRS 13:28:53 <giatorta> stoney: happy to hear it 13:29:22 <Deepti> Maybe at the end of course, if I can find a small FOSS project to give as case study to students. 13:29:28 <Kchahal_> C++ java 13:29:38 <lorip> kchahal_ OpenMRS has a large code base so you should be able to find lots of examples - sounds interesting! 13:29:56 <Kchahal_> I think we should familiarize students at various stages 13:30:18 <heidi> giatorta, http://mars.wne.edu/~hellis/CS490/index%20fa14.html 13:30:23 <Kchahal_> Rather than taking te topic in one course 13:30:28 <giatorta> Kchahal_: I think OpenMRS is mostly Java 13:30:29 <lorip> kchahal_ I agree - trying to weave HFOSS throughout the curriculum is a great idea 13:30:52 <lorip> stoney heidi - do you know of any projects that use C++? 13:31:00 <Kchahal_> Yes java is the main language of the project 13:31:47 <Deepti> even I am interested in projects implemented in C to give as case study. 13:31:50 <lorip> deepti I'll be interested to hear more about how you might incorporate a case study 13:32:20 <giatorta> heidi: thank you I will be looking at the page... btw, how many hours is the class? We have about 72 13:32:23 <stoney> lorip off the top of my head, no... but I would start by looking at GNOME accessibility... I suspect most of their projects are C++ 13:32:51 <Kchahal_> I will prefer program reading at the beginner level 13:32:55 <Deepti> I was planning to make students familarize with coding styles, documentation, libraries used, etc. 13:32:58 <lorip> deepti - have you found a project in C? 13:33:01 <heidi> giatorta, class meets twice a week for 75 minutes for 15 weeks. 13:33:42 <giatorta> heidi: ok! 13:33:58 <lorip> giatorta - the capstone courses or software development from this page may be helpful 13:33:58 <Deepti> Lorip, I am still searching for project in C. 13:33:58 <heidi> giatorta, And students are required to do ~5 hours of homework. 13:34:05 <stoney> (great discussion!!!!) 13:34:09 <Kchahal_> Introducing humanitarian projects will be a great idea 13:34:09 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Category:Courses 13:35:28 <lorip> deepti - this page may help 13:35:30 <stoney> did my comment about "discussion" kill the discussion? :) 13:35:31 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/HFOSS_Projects 13:36:09 <giatorta> lorip great resource, will look at the capstones there 13:36:10 <Deepti> yes looks interesting, thanks for the link :) 13:36:40 <stoney> So shall we talk more about stage 2 related stuff? 13:37:00 * lorip thinking we should move on to stage 2 13:37:07 <stoney> #topic Stage 2 13:37:25 <lorip> if you haven't already signed up for groups - 1 project and 1 course - please do so here 13:37:33 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3 13:37:39 <lorip> oops, wrong link 13:37:49 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups 13:37:53 <lorip> is the correct one 13:38:20 <lorip> it looks like all of you already have... 13:38:38 <lorip> questions about stage 2? 13:39:45 <giatorta> can you link to the schedule? 13:40:07 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities 13:40:12 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities 13:40:16 <stoney> oops :) 13:40:17 <stoney> lol 13:40:35 <stoney> doubly linked :) 13:40:40 <giatorta> lol 13:40:40 <lorip> coordination is tough on IRC! :) 13:40:59 <lorip> when are people arriving? 13:41:01 <stoney> especially when I don't read other posts first :) 13:41:31 * lorip thinking I should look at the sheet with everyone's travel info 13:41:40 <Kchahal_> Arriving on 30th 13:42:05 <lorip> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MO5iR9VImitx942DYd21V9O4y0Dqkp02OzT8h6SgKXQ 13:42:25 <lorip> looks like all of you arrive on the 30th... 13:43:09 <Kchahal_> Is it poßaible to arrange accommodation in the university Campus? 13:43:11 <Kchahal_> Possible 13:43:42 <lorip> I'm not sure what people have done for local arrangements - heidi, stoney? 13:43:57 <Kchahal_> My major concern :) 13:44:00 <heidi> We are meeting at University of Bologna. 13:44:01 <stoney> I am at a hotel close to the campus 13:44:14 <Kchahal_> Which one? 13:44:21 <stoney> Staying at Albergo Rossini 1936 13:44:32 <Kchahal_> Ok Thanks 13:44:32 <lorip> heidi - yes, but are there suggested hotels through ITiCSE? 13:44:40 <heidi> Participants need to make their own hotel reservations. 13:45:01 <heidi> Yes, I suggested using the ITiCSe list. 13:45:06 <heidi> But many of those are full. 13:45:06 <lorip> #link http://iticse.acm.org/accommodation/ 13:45:26 <heidi> I used hotels.com or one of those sites. 13:45:45 <Deepti> Most of the nearby hotels are full, so I booked through Airbnb. 13:46:33 <lorip> other questions? 13:46:43 <giatorta> I booked Almarossa, not far from University (and train station)... but it was few weeks ago 13:47:27 <giatorta> WiFi is provided I guess 13:47:56 <stoney> what building/room are we in? and is there a map of the campus somewhere? 13:49:01 <Kchahal_> Yes the exact location of the meeting? 13:49:23 <stoney> lorip heidi Will Greg be sending details by email like he usually does? 13:49:35 <lorip> stoney - that is my assumption 13:49:55 <heidi> University of Bologna, Belmeloro Complex, Building A 13:50:06 <heidi> Address: Belmeloro 14, Bologna Ital 13:50:19 <heidi> #link https://eventi.unibo.it/iticse2017 13:50:29 <heidi> Unfortunately we don't know the exact room. 13:51:51 <lorip> we are getting close to the end of the hour - other questions about stage 2? 13:51:55 <Deepti> do we have to install and understand the project for which we have signed in stage 2. 13:52:32 <lorip> it would be helpful to try to install the project's development environment before coming but we don't want to you spend a huge amount of time 13:52:51 <lorip> I'd suggest spending about an hour so you have a sense of the complexity of the project installation process 13:53:03 <stoney> That way you'll have a better idea what you are getting into, and what questions to ask 13:53:21 <lorip> please make sure that you do have git installed on your machine and that you know your github username and password 13:53:39 <Deepti> ok thanks lorip and stiny. 13:53:42 <stoney> yes... we'll be using Git and GitHub in stage 2 13:54:09 <lorip> as you work through section c please make sure you continue to log your progress in the spreadsheet 13:54:43 <stoney> So I think we are at the end of the agenda... and pretty much out of time 13:54:45 <lorip> other questions? 13:55:37 <giatorta> will you write with info where we meet on July 1? 13:55:39 <lorip> ok then - safe travels everyone - please let us know if you have any questions? 13:56:16 <stoney> Greg will send out an email with final details 13:56:30 <lorip> giatorta - we typically send an email once we have all the local information - I'm not sure what the internet access will be, but I expect that Greg will send out an email 13:56:36 <giatorta> great! thank you 13:57:00 <stoney> alright then 13:57:04 <stoney> thanks all for coming 13:57:08 <giatorta> lorip thanks 13:57:08 <stoney> talk to you soon 13:57:19 <stoney> #endmeeting