14:00:55 <stoney> #startmeeting POSSE IRC Meeting 3.3
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14:01:08 <stoney> #chair lorip
14:01:08 <zodbot> Current chairs: lorip stoney
14:01:21 <stoney> i all, welcome to the the third IRC meeting for POSSE! :)
14:01:33 <lorip> our agenda is posted here
14:01:36 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_3
14:01:39 <stoney> and the final IRC meeting before the workshop :)
14:01:54 <stoney> before we begin let's take roll
14:02:00 <stoney> #topic Roll Call
14:02:08 <stoney> If you are participating in today's meeting, please #info your name and institution.
14:02:14 <stoney> #info Stoney Jackson, Western New England University
14:02:28 <lorip> #info Lori Postner, Nassau Community College, NY
14:02:55 <Sabine> #info Sabine Wojcieszak University of Applied Sciences Kiel
14:02:58 <gustavopinto> #info Gustavo Pinto, Federal University of Para (UFPA)
14:03:13 <ajan> #info Vangel Ajanovski, Faculty of Computer Science and Engineering, Ss Cyrl and Methodius University in Skopje, Macedonia
14:03:28 <stoney> Welcome lorip, Sabine, gustavopinto, and ajan! :)
14:03:43 <Sabine> Hello Stoney, hi all
14:03:49 <lorip> GaborL - are you joining us?
14:03:51 <gustavopinto> hi there
14:04:38 <stoney> well, if they return, we'll ask them to info up :)
14:04:48 <stoney> #topic Stage 1 Actvities
14:05:01 <stoney> How are folks doing on the stage 1 activities?
14:05:08 <stoney> questions? comments?
14:05:19 <stoney> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities
14:05:23 <GaborL> #info Gabor Laszlo Obuda University and National University of Public Service
14:05:29 <stoney> for reference, that's where they are
14:05:38 <stoney> Welcome GaborL !
14:05:52 <GaborL> Hi all!
14:06:05 <stoney> While folks are thinking of questions about stage 1 activities...
14:06:14 <stoney> Especially important are the course planning activities...
14:06:24 <stoney> ... and the git and github activities.
14:06:35 <lorip> stephen - can you do a quick intro?
14:06:48 <Stephen> #info Fashoto Stephen, University of Swaziland
14:06:57 <stoney> During stage 2, we'll be thinking about how to integrate HFOSS into our courses.
14:07:17 <stoney> Welcome Guest48907 (formerly Stephen :))
14:07:20 <lorip> how far have people gotten in the stage 1 activities?
14:08:19 <gustavopinto> Im almost done with part A and B. Going to part C this week
14:08:31 <stoney> excellent
14:08:37 <Sabine> Same with me.
14:09:10 <lorip> sounds good - please be sure to continue logging your activity in the spreadsheet
14:09:16 <GaborL> Almost done. Expect the technical part :-)
14:09:20 <Sabine> yes, of course
14:09:42 <stoney> ah the Git and GitHub stuff?
14:09:43 <lorip> gaborL - what do you mean about the technical part?
14:09:52 <lorip> thanks sabine!
14:09:53 <GaborL> git
14:09:59 <stoney> right good
14:10:01 <ajan> stoney, since there is yet another curriculum accreditaion process starting here, I am thinking about proposing specific complete courses that are dedicated to projects of this kind, so any ready templates and experiences from other institutions would be very helpful. So if there are no such specific and dedicated done within this initiative, I would propose thinking about it, and thinking about joint proposal of such courses and
14:10:12 <stoney> git will be important in stage 2
14:10:28 <stoney> all, please make sure git is installed on your machine before stage 2
14:10:31 <lorip> ajan - we have some complete courses on foss2serve - here's the link
14:10:35 <stoney> also, you'll need a github account
14:10:49 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Category:Courses
14:10:54 <gustavopinto> I'm fine with git and github :-)
14:11:02 <ajan> I am currently mostly into this course planning stage in the activities, as I already have a lot experience with source version management
14:11:13 <lorip> gustavopinto - that will be helpful
14:11:13 <stoney> ajan, that's exciting!
14:11:14 <GaborL> gustavopinto: good for you :-)
14:11:47 <GaborL> I know the basic
14:12:04 <lorip> ajan - the capstone and software development courses might be most helpful
14:12:39 <stoney> we'll do a deep dive into Git and GitHub during stage 2... so everyone will have the chance to work on it :)
14:12:48 <lorip> guest48907 - how are the stage 1 activities going for you?
14:13:12 <lorip> priti - sorry I missed when you joined us - can you do a quick intro?
14:13:50 <Priti> #info Priti Narwal, Assistant professor, MRIU
14:14:05 <stoney> Thank you and welcome Priti !
14:14:28 <lorip> priti - we are discussing how the stage 1 activities are going
14:14:40 <ajan> lorip: I meant something more specific, similar to these activities we are doing right now - on communities, processes, involvement etc etc , since we have 300 courses that are all about software development, and we even have one that is called Open-source software development, but it is "used" to teach yet another technology (specifically PHP)
14:15:13 <Priti> Lorip: I am complete new for git and github.no prior working experience
14:15:28 <Priti> Stoney: Thank you
14:15:39 <lorip> wow - 300 courses! are you looking for a general HFOSS course?
14:15:52 <stoney> Priti no Git or GitHub experience is required
14:16:11 <Priti> Stoney: I will install git before coming to workshop
14:16:28 <Priti> ok
14:16:35 <stoney> excellent, and you have have a GitHub account?
14:16:58 <Priti> No not yet . I am going to create it now
14:17:03 <stoney> great!
14:17:13 <ajan> lorip: yes well we are a computer science department with 4000 students, so we have something specific for all kinds of interests :)
14:17:20 <lorip> ajan - I don't know of an HFOSS culture (the FOSS course might have elements of what you are looking for) class but ask during the workshop
14:17:52 <lorip> 4000 CS students - that is huge! that is larger than many US institutions
14:19:21 <stoney> Any other questions about stage 1 activities?
14:19:32 <lorip> ajan - rit has an open source minor - this might be of help
14:19:35 <lorip> #link https://hfoss-fossrit.rhcloud.com/syllabus
14:19:46 <ajan> lorip: our country has 40% unemployment rate, and computing is the only field where all who have graduated are employed, either here or in US or EU
14:20:10 <lorip> #link https://magic.rit.edu/?page_id=1008planet
14:20:32 <lorip> ahh - that makes sense
14:20:33 <stoney> good stuff
14:20:48 <Sabine> Ajan I have a lot of your talented young stundets in onw of my master courses
14:20:55 <lorip> stoney - sorry for highjacking the chat - probably time to move on
14:21:14 <stoney> no problem... it's good
14:21:20 <stoney> OK... next topic
14:21:24 <ajan> lorip: thanks a lot, all these links will be helpful.
14:21:26 <stoney> #topic Stage 2
14:21:44 <stoney> #link Stage 2 http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities
14:21:54 <stoney> The schedule for Stage 2 is on that link
14:22:14 <stoney> Greg will be sending and email with more details soon
14:22:32 <lorip> as stoney mentioned, we will be using both the github activity and the foss in courses (both parts) in the workshop
14:22:53 <stoney> Is everyone getting excited? how are travel arrangements comming?
14:22:59 <lorip> any questions about what to expect when we meet face to face?
14:23:04 <Sabine> well prepared
14:23:12 <lorip> is anyone having visa problems?
14:23:13 <stoney> good to hear!
14:23:27 * stoney wishes he was more prepared :)
14:23:43 <GaborL> well prepared
14:23:47 <stoney> :)
14:24:02 <stoney> "Well prepared" is quickly becoming our new motto
14:24:05 <stoney> :)
14:24:09 <gustavopinto> I'm almost all set. Just need to book the hotel. Everything else is fine
14:24:12 <GaborL> :-)
14:24:25 <stoney> good good
14:24:48 <stoney> In case it helps
14:24:56 <stoney> I put my hotel in the travel arrangements sheet
14:25:00 <stoney> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MO5iR9VImitx942DYd21V9O4y0Dqkp02OzT8h6SgKXQ/edit?usp=drive_web
14:25:16 <stoney> #link Travel arrangements https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1MO5iR9VImitx942DYd21V9O4y0Dqkp02OzT8h6SgKXQ/edit?usp=drive_web
14:25:25 <lorip> gustavopinto - I've heard a number of hotels are already booked - it may take some hunting to find one
14:25:47 <lorip> welcome kchahal - can you introduce yourself?
14:25:54 <stoney> (Google's URLs are pretty meaningless; labels are important :))
14:26:04 <gustavopinto> where the workshop will take place? at the some place of the conference?
14:26:18 <gustavopinto> thanks stoney
14:26:19 <Sabine> gustavopinto look at trivago.com
14:26:59 * stoney looking for the address on ITICSE's site
14:27:07 <lorip> yes - our workshop will be at the same place ITICSE is held
14:27:08 <gustavopinto> I will do that Sabine
14:27:20 <lorip> here's a link for the hotels recommended by ITICSE
14:27:24 <lorip> #link http://iticse.hosting.acm.org/accommodation/
14:27:50 <gustavopinto> excelent
14:28:26 <lorip> #link http://iticse.hosting.acm.org/venue-directions-and-wifi/
14:28:41 <Sabine> anyone there on Friday evening? perhaps meeting for diner?
14:28:46 <lorip> I think this provides the correct address for the conference venue
14:29:22 <gustavopinto> do we need to go register?
14:29:31 <Kchahal_> Bad connection today
14:29:38 <lorip> here's the actual address
14:29:39 <lorip> The conference will be held at the University of Bologna, Belmeloro Complex, Building A. Address: Belmeloro 14, Bologna, Italy. Map: https://eventi.unibo.it/iticse2017 . GPS: 44.495163, 11.356089.
14:29:41 <Kchahal_> Hi
14:30:04 <gustavopinto> thanks lorip
14:30:06 <lorip> gustavopinto - do you not have to register for ITICSE to attend our workshop, but several people are attending both
14:31:25 <stoney> this is good... ironing out the wrinkles
14:31:44 <lorip> with regard to stage 2, if you haven't signed up for stage 2 groups (one course and one project) please do so here
14:31:53 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups
14:32:08 <stoney> right, we'll be using that to help form groups during Stage 2
14:32:54 <stoney> Other questions, concerns, thoughts about stage 2?
14:33:00 <lorip> thanks so everyone who has added their travel info to the spreadsheet!
14:33:08 * stoney checks his notes
14:33:28 <stoney> I think we hit the important points
14:34:25 <stoney> I'm not one for making meetings longer than they need to be
14:34:31 <lorip> I agree, we've covered the major points - are there questions people have that we can address?
14:35:08 <stoney> I'm looking forward to meeting you all face-to-face!
14:35:10 <gustavopinto> are you planning to write down some experience report after the workshop?
14:35:24 <stoney> ?
14:35:32 <Kchahal_> Are we supposed to bring our laptops?
14:35:34 <lorip> we haven't in the past - but we can certainly discuss it
14:35:46 <stoney> Kchahal_ yes please
14:35:46 <lorip> kchahal_ yes, you will need a laptop with git installed
14:36:08 <stoney> we'll be working on git and github for a portion of Stage 2
14:36:28 <ajan> I am still thinking about which group to join, since two others are also interesting to me
14:36:30 <stoney> there's (a lot) more than git and github going on during stage 2
14:36:34 <stoney> :)
14:37:07 <lorip> ajan - the groups aren't set in stone - pick one and if that doesn't meet your needs you can switch to another
14:37:08 <stoney> ajan if during stage 2 you change your mind, that's ok... we just want to get a general sense what people are thinking
14:37:13 <stoney> :)
14:37:17 <Kchahal_> I don't find it convenient to carry the laptop
14:37:19 <ajan> ok
14:38:33 <stoney> Kchahal_ if you don't have a laptop, it might mean that you have to observe a bit more during the git and github activities
14:38:36 <lorip> kchahal_ I don't think we've ever had someone attend without a laptop - I'm concerned that you won't be able to fully participate without one
14:39:13 <lorip> but as stoney pointed out you can share with someone else
14:39:19 <stoney> as long as most, or nearly all, have a laptop, we'll probably be fine
14:39:19 <Kchahal_> So we won't get workstations at the uni
14:39:26 <stoney> nope
14:39:44 <stoney> or if we do, I would be very surprised
14:39:48 <lorip> we do have a number of online activities as well as the git/github ones that stoney mentioned
14:39:55 <Kchahal_> Ok..then it is fine..i will bring my own
14:40:16 <lorip> I highly doubt that the room we have will have computers
14:40:29 <Kchahal_> Just wanted to reduce luggage :)
14:40:38 <stoney> totally understand
14:40:41 <lorip> kchahal_ greg may know about local computer use if you want to email him
14:41:03 <lorip> kchahal_ yes, it does add a lot to your luggage...
14:41:22 <Kchahal_> Ok..but it shouldn't disturb the activity
14:41:44 <Kchahal_> No other concerns..just wanted to fly light
14:42:03 <stoney> OK... anything else?
14:42:08 <lorip> I'm going to have to sign off in a moment to pick my daughter up at school - I wish everyone safe travels!  Unfortunately I won't be able to join you in Bologna, enjoy the workshop!
14:42:22 <stoney> thanks lorip !
14:42:25 <stoney> see you soon!
14:42:31 <gustavopinto> thank you lorip
14:42:45 <Kchahal_> Thanks all
14:43:01 <stoney> I think this meeting is done...
14:43:15 <stoney> so if none has anything else...
14:43:20 <stoney> going once
14:43:22 <stoney> ...
14:43:23 <GaborL> Thank you stoney
14:43:24 <stoney> going twice
14:43:26 <stoney> ....
14:43:29 <stoney> sold!
14:43:31 <stoney> #endmeeting