17:02:17 <lorip> #startmeeting POSSE Meeting 1
17:02:17 <zodbot> Meeting started Tue Apr 30 17:02:17 2019 UTC.
17:02:17 <zodbot> This meeting is logged and archived in a public location.
17:02:17 <zodbot> The chair is lorip. Information about MeetBot at http://wiki.debian.org/MeetBot.
17:02:17 <zodbot> Useful Commands: #action #agreed #halp #info #idea #link #topic.
17:02:17 <zodbot> The meeting name has been set to 'posse_meeting_1'
17:02:25 <lorip> #chair darci kussmaul
17:02:25 <zodbot> Current chairs: darci kussmaul lorip
17:02:32 <lorip> Hi everyone, welcome to our first IRC meeting for POSSE! :)
17:02:39 <lorip> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_1 contains the agenda for this meeting
17:02:52 <lorip> #topic Introductions
17:03:15 <lorip> Let's begin with introductions.  We can proceed in roughly alphabetical order by user name (called a "nick" in IRC)
17:03:22 <lorip> Let's begin with introductions.  We can proceed in roughly alphabetical order by user name (called a "nick" in IRC)
17:03:31 <lorip> oops, didn't mean to put that twice! :)
17:03:44 <lorip> And we can use the #info command to gather a summary of this information.  I'll go first to demonstrate
17:04:14 <lorip> #info Hi all, I'm Lori Postner from Nassau Community College in Long Island NY.  I'm one of the organizers of POSSE
17:04:38 <clifkussmaul> #info I'm Clif Kussmaul, part of the POSSE team and deeply involved in POGIL and FOSS participation. I used to be at Muhlenberg College, but now I'm an independent consultant.
17:04:49 <chbrooks> #info Hi. I'
17:05:34 <kwebb> #info Hi, I'm Kevin Webb, from Swarthmore College in Pennsylvania (near Philly).  Looking forward to the POSSE events.
17:05:42 <chbrooks> #info Hi I'm Chris Brooks. I'm a professsor at University of San Francisco. Ending a long stint as an Associate Dean, very excited to get back to teaching, and a big advocate of community-engaged learning.
17:05:51 <darci> #info Darci Burdge from Nassau Community College and a member of the foss2serve team!
17:06:01 <lorip> welcome kwebb & chbrooks!
17:06:03 <Guest19992> Hello all, I am Daniela Inclezan (Guest19992) from Miami University of Ohio. It's my first time working with FOSS
17:06:26 <clifkussmaul> kwebb: my son Ben is a major in your dept...
17:06:36 <lorip> welcome Daniela!
17:06:53 <lorip> AlexMezei: are you available to do an intro?
17:06:57 <kwebb> clifkussmaul: Oh, nice.  I don't think I've met him yet!
17:07:42 <lorip> anyone else?
17:08:04 <lorip> we can have Alex introduce himself later, he is giving a quiz...
17:08:20 <AlexMezei> Hi, I am Alex Mezei, and I teach at Saint Martin's University
17:08:35 <lorip> AlexMezei - where is Saint Martin's?
17:08:53 <AlexMezei> I am currently at a military base, giving a quiz. I am about an hour south of Seattle, Wa state
17:09:04 <lorip> cool..
17:09:10 <lorip> moving on...
17:09:13 <lorip> #topic IRC and Meetbot basics
17:09:27 <lorip> The agenda contains a short list of IRC and Meetbot commands as well as links to more complete documentation for each.
17:09:35 <lorip> Let's play with some of them.
17:09:43 <lorip> Lines that start with / are IRC commands.
17:09:51 <lorip> For example, /me <action> allows you to indicate an emotion or action
17:09:55 * kwebb gives a thumbs up
17:10:06 * lorip this has been a hectic day thus far
17:10:07 * Guest19992 happy
17:10:11 * chbrooks drinks coffee
17:10:25 * darci having lunch!
17:10:44 * lorip wishing I was drinking something warm and having lunch - my office is freezing!
17:10:57 <lorip> Feel free to try things out as we go and to ask questions
17:11:05 <kwebb> #agree end of semester is hectic
17:11:14 <lorip> You can use, /nick <nickname> to change your nickname.
17:11:37 * AlexMezei agrees, end of semesters are usually hectic
17:11:54 * LoriPostner like lorip better so I'm switching back
17:12:10 <Guest19992> I'm using freenode.net and the command /nick does not seem to work. Any idea why?
17:12:42 <lorip> the webchat.freenode.net site?
17:12:51 <Guest19992> lorip: yes
17:12:54 <lorip> I'm using that and it is working - what OS are you using?
17:13:00 <Guest19992> Windows
17:13:13 <lorip> me too - hmmm, anyone have an idea?
17:13:27 <lorip> if you want to get someones attention, put their nick in your post (as Daniela just did to me)
17:13:33 <lorip> most IRC clients will beep, flash, and/or highlight the line with the nick for the person named
17:13:34 <Guest19992> I'll try more times ..
17:13:40 <kwebb> Guest19992: does it give you status information (i.e. messages from the IRC server)?  Maybe the nick you're trying to use is already registered to someone else?
17:13:55 <lorip> ah, good point kwebb!
17:14:06 * AlexMezei i thought of the same thing
17:14:23 <clifkussmaul> Guest19992: does /help work? maybe the command is different on your tool
17:14:28 <danielai> kwebb: that was it!
17:14:34 <lorip> looks like it was a nick issue
17:14:37 <kwebb> :)
17:14:45 <lorip> A little about meetbots...
17:14:52 <lorip> you'll notice zodbot as a member of this channel
17:14:57 <lorip> zodbot is a program sitting on this channel
17:15:03 <lorip> zodbot responds to lines that begin with #
17:15:11 <lorip> so at the beginning of this meeting, I used #startmeeting
17:15:27 <lorip> when zodbot saw this, it started recording this meeting and it is keeping a full transcript as well as a summary of the meeting
17:15:41 <lorip> not all meetbot commands are available to everyone
17:15:56 <lorip> whoever started the meeting is the chair of the meeting - some commands, like #topic, only work for a chair
17:16:16 <lorip> A Chair can add other chairs to the meeting with #chair (which I did for darci & clif at the beginning of the meeting)
17:16:23 <lorip> That's important to do, because only a chair can end the meeting #endmeeting
17:16:42 <lorip> now there are several meetbot commands available to everyone like #link, #info and #action
17:16:58 <lorip> these commands will be reflected in the summary zodbot produces after the meeting ends, so feel free to try those out
17:17:20 <lorip> ... and your introduction using #info will already get special treatment in the meeting summary
17:17:41 <lorip> what questions are lingering about IRC or the meetbot?
17:18:36 * lorip never sure how long to pause on IRC as I can't tell if someone is typing or not...
17:18:47 <kwebb> I think you covered it well :)
17:18:50 <clifkussmaul> #action bring chocolate to POSSE
17:19:24 <chbrooks> makes sense to me :-)
17:19:36 <lorip> ok, then moving on...
17:19:42 <lorip> #topic HFOSS projects
17:19:53 <lorip> It's early in our work to be looking at projects, but we encourage you to start to consider HFOSS projects that might interest you.
17:20:28 <lorip> We've listed a few that we've had experience with on the wiki.
17:20:36 <lorip> Any questions at this point about HFOSS projects?
17:20:48 <lorip> Or HFOSS in general?
17:21:10 <kwebb> lorip: Will we be expected to commit to a project before / as part of the meeting in June?
17:21:43 <kwebb> I'm hoping to recruit some students to work with me on an independent study for the fall, but I don't necessarily want to commit to a project without knowing what they might be interested in
17:21:55 <lorip> it would be helpful to have a sense of what project you might want to work with but definitely not commit to one
17:22:20 <lorip> that makes sense kwebb - what level would these students be?
17:22:25 <kwebb> ok, sounds good
17:22:38 <kwebb> Undergraduates, likely 2nd and 3rd year
17:22:48 <chbrooks> I'm interested in Ushahidi so far - have people had good experiences with it?
17:22:51 <clifkussmaul> in POSSE and course planning, it often helps to have a specific example in mind as you consider general principles. There is also a learning curve for any project, so it might be easier to focus on a project that you & your students could participate in over a longer period of time
17:22:53 <darci> Often the activities you develop for your students will be applicable regardless of the project.
17:23:01 <lorip> so one of the things you might want to keep in mind is what languages they know
17:23:53 <lorip> chbrooks: we've had people participate in Ushahidi in the past and have been positive about the project
17:24:03 <chbrooks> thanks!
17:24:22 <lorip> darci clifkussmaul - do you know the status of Cam's VM for Ushahidi?
17:24:37 <clifkussmaul> lorip: no, sorry
17:24:45 <darci> Heidi had some of her students working on it.
17:24:57 <darci> She would have more info to share.
17:25:04 <lorip> chbrooks - we have a colleague who has worked on a Ushahidi VM to make on boarding students (and faculty) easier
17:25:43 <lorip> danielai - any thoughts/questions about projects?
17:25:53 <chbrooks> cool! I've just started looking at it. I do a lot of python and machine learning - it seems like thsast might fit in there someplace.
17:26:20 <danielai> I've narrowed it down to three projects from the larger list
17:26:46 <danielai> Apertium, Grow Stuff and Open Food Facts
17:26:57 <danielai> any recommendations about these?
17:27:26 * AlexMezei is very curious about the "Accessibility Aspects of Firefox DevTools" project
17:27:41 <lorip> darci & I have had students work with the Android version of Open Food Facts
17:27:42 <darci> We've had students at NCC contribute to OpenFoodFacts Android app
17:27:46 <darci> They were welcoming!
17:28:04 <kwebb> danielai: Growstuff looks interesting to me too, as someone interested in gardening
17:28:12 <lorip> and Greg Hislop had students work on one of the other pieces, not sure which off hand
17:28:35 <danielai> lorip: and darci: would OpenFoodFacts work as a capstone project?
17:28:36 <lorip> I don't know anything about Growstuff... does it seem to be active?
17:28:53 <kwebb> GitHub says the last commit was a few hours ago
17:29:02 <lorip> AlexMezei: Heidi Ellis is the one to talk to about that.  She had students work in it last year I believe
17:29:04 <danielai> kwebb: I am interested in gardening too :)
17:29:33 <lorip> kwebb: good to know
17:29:47 <AlexMezei> thank you lorip
17:29:54 <lorip> other thoughts/questions?
17:29:59 <darci> danielai: I don't see any issue with using it for a capstone project. You should reach out to the community first and get a sense from them if they would welcome your class.
17:30:14 <clifkussmaul> also consider which projects would appeal most to a wide variety of students at your institution
17:30:34 <lorip> good point clifkussmaul!
17:31:16 <danielai> darci: and clifkussmaul: Thank you for the suggestions!
17:31:34 <darci> :)
17:31:34 <clifkussmaul> also potential partners on your campus or in your community - I've had several students do projects with our library
17:31:48 <lorip> Also, please remember to provide short comments on the stage 1 activities as you work through them.
17:31:59 <lorip> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1HvgclSLZE4f1fDrw9S7ywP6MrMsAaWjWXATQ3W7H3Wg/edit#gid=0
17:32:46 <lorip> any questions about the activities thus far?
17:33:54 <chbrooks> It was cool to re-read Cathedral and the Bazaar - it's been a while :-) has there been any efforts to produce an updated version? it seems like the FOSS world has evolved a bit since the netscape days.
17:34:20 <lorip> chbrooks: interesting question, none that I know of, but good point!
17:34:44 <chbrooks> Just thinking about reading material for students ...
17:35:43 <lorip> ok... so I think we are at the end of our agenda
17:35:51 <lorip> any last thoughts, questions, etc. before I end the meeting?
17:35:58 <danielai> are there any charts about the demographics of people that contribute to (H)FOSS projects?
17:36:13 <danielai> it would be interesting to show them to students
17:36:26 <lorip> danielai: a specific project or HFOSS in general?
17:36:33 <danielai> hfoss in general
17:37:20 <lorip> none that I know of, although my recollection is that people have tried to study it but it is very difficult as the handles people use when they contribute don't provide that info
17:37:30 <kwebb> danielai: that's an interesting question, but I suspect the data is difficult if not impossible to collect.  If you find anything, I'd like to see it though!
17:37:50 <danielai> I see ...
17:37:56 <lorip> some projects will list their core team which is interesting
17:38:04 <clifkussmaul> KR Lakhani, RG Wolf (2003) Why hackers do what they do: Understanding
17:38:04 <clifkussmaul> motivation & effort in FOSS projects. MIT Sloan Working Paper 4425-03.
17:38:15 * lorip give me a minute to see if I can find Ushahidi's
17:38:20 <clifkussmaul> more about motivations than gender/ethnic demographics
17:38:21 <danielai> clifkussmaul: Thanks!
17:38:43 <clifkussmaul> CG Wu, JH Gerlach, & CE Young (2007) An empirical analysis of OSS motivations & intentions. Information & Management 44(3):253-262.
17:38:47 <lorip> #link https://www.ushahidi.com/about
17:39:05 <lorip> this gives a sense of their demographics which is pretty cool..
17:40:21 <danielai> nice!
17:40:30 <lorip> clifkussmaul - nice job pulling references to quickly!
17:41:05 <lorip> anything else or should I end the meeting?
17:41:41 <chbrooks> I'm good. thanks!
17:41:49 <kwebb> Nothing else here
17:42:00 <danielai> lorip: I've got my answers, so nothing else. thanks!
17:42:10 <lorip> AlexMezei?
17:42:15 <AlexMezei> i am all set, thank you!
17:42:17 <AlexMezei> :)
17:42:17 <lorip> ok - thanks all!
17:42:24 <lorip> #endmeeting