13:00:31 <hislopg> #startmeeting POSSE Meeting 2
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13:00:44 <hislopg> Hi Everyone!  time to start POSSE meeting 2...
13:00:56 <howardf> hola
13:01:02 <hislopg> It looks like this is going to be a very small meeting!
13:01:10 <Nwokeji001> Morning everyone
13:01:16 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/IRC_Meeting_2 contains the agenda for this meeting
13:01:30 <hislopg> #topic roll call
13:03:39 <wdt> MOrning
13:03:47 <wdt> I guess the O is a yawn
13:04:58 <hislopg> Hello again...
13:05:17 <hislopg> sorry... my IRC client froze!
13:05:21 <wdt> Good morning … again :-)
13:05:27 <hislopg> I don't think that has ever happened!
13:05:37 <hislopg> OK... we were going to take roll...
13:05:45 <Nwokeji001> \whois hislopg
13:05:56 <hislopg> Please reply with a #info your name, your institution.  For example:
13:06:06 <hislopg> #info Greg Hislop, Drexel University
13:06:15 <hislopg> Let's go through the list alphabetically by nick.
13:06:38 <hislopg> heidi is teaching so not here...
13:06:42 <howardf> #info Howard Francis, University of Pikeville
13:07:04 <hislopg> lintqueen_gina are you participating?
13:07:19 <Nwokeji001> #info Joshua Nwokeji, Gannon University
13:07:44 <hislopg> wdt are you participating?
13:07:46 <wdt> #info Wesley Turner, Rensselaer Polytechnic Institute
13:07:59 <hongjiang> Hong Jiang, Benedict College
13:08:08 <hislopg> and I think that's it for our small group today!
13:08:15 <hongjiang> #info Hong Jiang, Benedict College
13:08:31 <hislopg> #topic Updates and Questions on POSSE stage 1 activities
13:08:39 <hislopg> How are things going in stage 1?
13:09:11 <howardf> good for me
13:09:17 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_1_Activities for the activities list
13:09:27 <wdt> Completed and updated in the wiki
13:09:35 <hongjiang> a little behind the schedule
13:09:38 <hislopg> Any problems thus far?
13:09:44 <Nwokeji001> Good for me too, though is taking more time than anticipated
13:09:45 <hislopg> wdt: good for you!
13:10:14 <hislopg> hongjiang: not uncommon, but do try to catch up!
13:10:24 <hongjiang> yes
13:10:32 <wdt> Thanks - Havent started STage 2 yet though … Had to give an exam
13:10:44 <hislopg> We expect variation in pace in stage 1, but stage 2 is a lot more useful if you have time to get through the stage 1 materials
13:11:09 <hislopg> any questions about stage 1?
13:11:53 <hongjiang> I have question about HFOSS project
13:12:20 <hislopg> hold that question for a bit - we'll get to the projects
13:12:31 <hislopg> OK...
13:12:42 <hislopg> Also, please remember to log your progress through the activities in the following Google sheet:
13:12:52 <hislopg> #link https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1igSyZ7wWXmlmqqgvtWTJqvsFj2wsQHVJW2qAGjnmFpA/edit#gid=0
13:13:04 <hislopg> And that link is in the meeting agenda too
13:13:17 <hislopg> #topic Courses in which you plan to use HFOSS
13:13:26 <hislopg> Has anyone picked a course where you plan to try HFOSS activities?
13:13:30 <wdt> My bad, Finished stage 1A, not 1B :-(
13:13:50 <hislopg> wdt: no worries - 1B isn't due to be done yet
13:13:56 <wdt> Ohew
13:13:58 <wdt> Phew
13:13:58 <hongjiang> Senior project design class
13:14:13 <howardf> I would like to use it in my CS 1 class, but i'm not sure how to fit it in without overwhelming the students
13:14:16 <hislopg> We encourage people to think in terms of target classes now
13:14:28 <Nwokeji001> I havent picked a course yet, I am targeting my ‘Requirements and Project Management’ Course.
13:14:37 <hislopg> howardf: right!  But we have people who have done things in CS1
13:14:42 <wdt> I am advising RCOS, so we have a lot of activity there, and I will be teaching an “Introduction to Open Source” as well during a new summer inititative.
13:14:50 <howardf> I also have this pipe dream about centering my whole CS 0 class around a project
13:15:06 <wdt> RCOS == Rensellaer Center for Open Source
13:15:18 <Nwokeji001> But, it appears that there are no much requirements management role in most projects
13:15:18 <hislopg> the goal is to have these targets before we get to Raleigh - so we can discuss and share ideas about particular courses...
13:15:51 <hislopg> wdt: we'll talk some about clubs in Raleigh - I hope we can have you share a few minutes about RCOS
13:16:36 <howardf> i already use it in my CS senior project class, can share experiences in Raleigh
13:16:49 <hislopg> all: the courses you mention all seem quite reasonable, and similar courses have already been done by others
13:16:51 <wdt> Sure
13:17:08 <hislopg> howardf: we will definitely take you up on that.  :-)
13:17:25 <hislopg> other thoughts or questions about courses for HFOSS?
13:18:01 <hislopg> #topic Questions about POSSE Stage 2 Activities
13:18:05 <Nwokeji001> It is possible to create Requirements Management roles in projects
13:18:07 <Nwokeji001> ?
13:18:52 <hislopg> Nwokehji001: I'm not sure I understand the question
13:19:05 <Nwokeji001> Okay let me rephrase
13:19:28 <hislopg> do you mean is it possible to have students do things with HFOSS projects that relate to a requirements course?
13:19:59 <Nwokeji001> I have seen roles such as Developer, Designer etc., in most HFOSS projects, but no Requirements Development and Management roles.
13:20:02 <wdt> We (often? sometimes?) have a “Program Manager” who triages bugs and features and manages assignments to team members.
13:20:15 <hislopg> there certainly are requirements related tasks that students can take on...
13:20:34 <hislopg> bug triaging and bug verification are often appreciated by projects
13:20:55 <hislopg> we have also had students take a stab at developing requirements or use cases for desired features
13:21:25 <wdt> They also serve as a liason to external groups or customers such as our IT department, etc.
13:21:33 <hislopg> students have also created requirements docs  - essentially reverse engineering from code to requirements - where there was no documentation
13:21:57 <Nwokeji001> okay thats fine, my RPM course is solely requirements management, and focus on Requirement elicitation, analysis, specification and validation
13:22:00 <hislopg> are those thoughts in the area you have in mind?
13:22:03 <Nwokeji001> No programming at all
13:22:40 <Nwokeji001> Yes: Use cases, data model, elicitation techniques, etc., are all related to the course
13:22:53 <hislopg> the "no programming" is not a problem. We can discuss this more in the stage 2 workshop...
13:22:55 <hislopg> good!
13:23:07 <hislopg> OK... on to the next topic - stage 2...
13:23:30 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage_2_Activities  contains a stage 2 overview and schedule
13:23:55 <hislopg> This will be updated but gives you a general picture of what we will do in Raleigh
13:24:09 <hislopg> For now, you don't need to worry about the stage 2 activities
13:24:25 <howardf> do we have to make the hotel arrangements?
13:24:35 <hislopg> but we find that people start to wonder about what will be done there, and also general timing of the activities
13:24:41 <hislopg> hotel is set
13:25:09 <hislopg> we'll send an email about that, but we're staying in the Sheraton - a short walk from Red Hat, which is where we'll meet.
13:25:20 <howardf> excellent
13:25:36 <hislopg> so no need to make any hotel reservation.  just get your travel arrangements made if you haven't done that
13:25:38 <hongjiang> Thanks
13:26:04 <wdt> Ok
13:26:10 <hislopg> any other questions about stage 2?
13:26:47 <hislopg> #topic Signing up for Stage 2 project and course groups
13:27:02 <hislopg> At the stage 2 workshop we have time to work in small groups.  To start to organize groups, we ask that you sign up for both a course as well as an HFOSS project that interest you.
13:27:12 <hislopg> #link http://foss2serve.org/index.php/Stage2_Groups is the page to indicate your course and project interest
13:27:28 <hislopg> you're not signing up for life, but just indicating initial interest...
13:27:41 <hislopg> that helps us prepare for stage 2
13:28:01 <hislopg> note that we have three projects identified as most likely to be covered
13:28:24 <hislopg> that's based on who will be at the workshop, and which projects we have the most current experience with
13:28:45 <hislopg> note that you're not committed to sticking with one of these projects after the workshop!
13:29:04 <hislopg> we just try to come up with a small set of good options for the workshop so people can learn in small groups
13:29:28 <hislopg> any questions on the sign-up?
13:29:51 <wdt> Just edit the page and add our names?
13:30:04 <hislopg> yes.  edit and add
13:30:09 <Nwokeji001> I just added my name to the OpenMRs (first choice)
13:30:10 <wdt> Got it.
13:30:34 <hongjiang> I’m intersted in Sakai
13:30:36 <Nwokeji001> I also added to Sakai incase OpenMRS is not covered
13:30:41 <Nwokeji001> hope this is okay?
13:31:10 <hislopg> that will be fine - but pick one if possible (or tag first/second choice)
13:32:04 <hislopg> we'll talk about various project when there... OpenMRS has had a bit of turmoil recently...
13:32:31 <hislopg> OK... I've been zipping through these topics since the group is small...
13:32:49 <hislopg> are there any questions about any of the topics (or anything else about POSSE)?
13:33:06 <howardf> hislopg: is there a link I can find out more about what's going on with OpenMRS?
13:35:18 <hislopg> There was a project fork... Look for Libre Health
13:35:54 <hislopg> OK.  I'm going to assume that we can call it a day!
13:36:08 <hislopg> thanks everyone for check in.
13:36:11 <wdt> Quick meeting! Thanks
13:36:17 <howardf> thanks!
13:36:29 <Nwokeji001> Very helpful meeting; thanks all
13:36:42 <hislopg> #endmeeting